The Ashes

[3pm]

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Lyon does it again! 190-7

Aussies 5/4 still. Worth a punt.

[derekHFC]

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Aussies 5/4 still. Worth a punt.

If they can get a lead of 100+ going into England's batting, I'd fancy them.

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8th wicket down, England lead by 142.

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Ali out for 59, same lead applies.

[3pm]

Skittled for 281.

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Anderson gone, 281 All Out. The England bowlers will still fancy bowling on this wicket.

[3pm]

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Anderson gone, 281 All Out. The England bowlers will still fancy bowling on this wicket.

Aussies started well.

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Aussies 1st wicket down. Rogers gone.

[3pm]

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Aussies 1st wicket down. Rogers took too long to challenge, replay will be fun.

Took some time deciding whether to appeal!

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Took some time deciding whether to appeal!

Once the umpire has given the batsman out it has to have been a very bad decision to be overturned, although it does happen I suppose. He did take a ridiculous length of time to decide to review though.

[3pm]

Warner on fire.

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Smith gone for 8, 62-2

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Clarke gone for 3, 76-3

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Voges out first ball, 76-4

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92-5 Finn running through the Aussies now

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Warner gone, might be finished tonight now, 111-6

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Johnson gone, 153-7, 5 wkts for Finn. Aussies lead by 8 runs.

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Aussies 5/4 still. Worth a punt.

Be honest now. ;-)

[Zazu62]

With Anderson out of the 4th test and maybe the 5th.. What odds can u get on Australia winning 3-2?

[3pm]

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Be honest now. ;-)

I never.

While I enjoy watching it and keeping track of it, I have no real expertise on it and such statements back that up!

[lord bunberry]

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With Anderson out of the 4th test and maybe the 5th.. What odds can u get on Australia winning 3-2?

100/30 with bet 365

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Is my draw still on? :-)

[heretoday]

I have to say the quality of batting is poor. This is from someone who stopped watching cricket ten years ago after terrestrial TV lost their contract to put it on. The only players I'm familiar with are Anderson, Bell, Clarke and Haddin. So I'm coming to it fresh as it were.

It's getting to the stage where you'd be mad to buy a ticket for the 5th day of a test. I blame the dominance of the one-day/20/20 stuff and subsequent lack of concentration and patience at the crease.

It's entertainment but is it cricket?

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I have to say the quality of batting is poor. This is from someone who stopped watching cricket ten years ago after terrestrial TV lost their contract to put it on. The only players I'm familiar with are Anderson, Bell, Clarke and Haddin. So I'm coming to it fresh as it were.

It's getting to the stage where you'd be mad to buy a ticket for the 5th day of a test. I blame the dominance of the one-day/20/20 stuff and subsequent lack of concentration and patience at the crease.

It's entertainment but is it cricket?

Absolutely not, old chap.

What Holding, Marshall, Garner and Croft would have done to these batsmen doesn't bear thinking about. Or Ambrose and Walsh. Or Lillee and Thommo or Warnie.

And I would have loved to see the Chappell brothers, Gordon Greenidge, IVA Richards, Botham or Hadlee getting stuck into the bowling. Even Gooch, Gower, and Atherton ...

It's significant, I think, that the best bowlers on show are mostly in their 30's, and the batting, as you say, lacks composure and concentration. How many batsmen have got themselves out in this series playing at deliveries a novice would have known to leave well alone?

[lord bunberry]

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Absolutely not, old chap.

What Holding, Marshall, Garner and Croft would have done to these batsmen doesn't bear thinking about. Or Ambrose and Walsh. Or Lillee and Thommo or Warnie.

And I would have loved to see the Chappell brothers, Gordon Greenidge, IVA Richards, Botham or Hadlee getting stuck into the bowling. Even Gooch, Gower, and Atherton ...

It's significant, I think, that the best bowlers on show are mostly in their 30's, and the batting, as you say, lacks composure and concentration. How many batsmen have got themselves out in this series playing at deliveries a novice would have known to leave well alone?

I think it's just the way the game is evolving. Cook was looked at being one of the best batsman in the world less than 2 years ago. Today he's struggling to keep up and his best shot is the leave. For better or worse the game has moved on from a 5 day war of attrition to a game that is more tailored for a TV audience.

[heretoday]

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I think it's just the way the game is evolving. Cook was looked at being one of the best batsman in the world less than 2 years ago. Today he's struggling to keep up and his best shot is the leave. For better or worse the game has moved on from a 5 day war of attrition to a game that is more tailored for a TV audience.

It's evolution right enough. So be it. I must admit it could be a trial sitting watching Boycott or Graveney grinding out an innings back in the sixties.

The crowd was better behaved then though. No football chants or - god forbid - patriotic music over the tannoy. We were allowed on the pitch at lunch to look at the wicket close up. Kids could play scratch games in the outfield. Happy days.

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It's evolution right enough. So be it. I must admit it could be a trial sitting watching Boycott or Graveney grinding out an innings back in the sixties.

The crowd was better behaved then though. No football chants or - god forbid - patriotic music over the tannoy. We were allowed on the pitch at lunch to look at the wicket close up. Kids could play scratch games in the outfield. Happy days.

On the other hand I don't see innings nowadays like the innings people like Greenidge or Richards or the Chappell brothers or Zaheer played back then.

The quality of the batting in this series has been diabolical, and I don't enjoy watching the sort of match we saw at Edgbaston where the bowlers hardly had to think about what they're doing and the batsmen were lining up like lemmings to commit suicide.

And while I don't mind a good ODI or 50-over Cup match between county sides, T20 isn't anything other than hit and hope a lot of the time.

Can't stand it, can't watch it.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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On the other hand I don't see innings nowadays like the innings people like Greenidge or Richards or the Chappell brothers or Zaheer played back then.

The quality of the batting in this series has been diabolical, and I don't enjoy watching the sort of match we saw at Edgbaston where the bowlers hardly had to think about what they're doing and the batsmen were lining up like lemmings to commit suicide.

And while I don't mind a good ODI or 50-over Cup match between county sides, T20 isn't anything other than hit and hope a lot of the time.

Can't stand it, can't watch it.

Not a huge fan like some of you guys but I prefer the test matches as well - the shortened version is just a simplistic version of the game for those with no attention span.

I liken t20 to rugby sevens - lots of runs/tries don't make it more exciting for me.

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Cook wins the toss @ Trent Bridge and decides to have a bowl. Good luck Mark Wood, big shoes to fill.

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Rogers gone for a duck in the first over.