Wummin's footie

[Pretty Boy]

Some of the comparisons here are ludicrous. Obviously top womens tennis players would struggle against men, as would football players, boxers, sprinters etc. There's very few sports were a direct comparison can be made between women and men because they rely on physical abilities that are markedly different between the sexes.

That doesn't take away from the fact that elite sportswomen are supremely talented athletes and the fact Serena Williams couldn't beat Novak Djokovic doesn't change that. I have been pleasantly surprised by the last couple of Women's World Cups, the standard is markedly better than it was 10-15 years ago and if the game continues to grow at the current rate then it's only going to get better. It's something sports fans should be embracing rather than ridiculing. Sadly a lot of the comment on the WWC, thankfully not on here, has shown at best the silly schoolboy is never far from the surface with some men and at worst the unreconstructed misogynist.

[Vault Boy]

It would be nice if one day we could discuss women's sport without constantly comparing it to the men's version. It's patronising and pointless.

[bingo70]

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Some of the comparisons here are ludicrous. Obviously top womens tennis players would struggle against men, as would football players, boxers, sprinters etc. There's very few sports were a direct comparison can be made between women and men because they rely on physical abilities that are markedly different between the sexes.

That doesn't take away from the fact that elite sportswomen are supremely talented athletes and the fact Serena Williams couldn't beat Novak Djokovic doesn't change that. I have been pleasantly surprised by the last couple of Women's World Cups, the standard is markedly better than it was 10-15 years ago and if the game continues to grow at the current rate then it's only going to get better. It's something sports fans should be embracing rather than ridiculing. Sadly a lot of the comment on the WWC, thankfully not on here, has shown at best the silly schoolboy is never far from the surface with some men and at worst the unreconstructed misogynist.

I think a lot of it is just light hearted nonsense and no malice intended and in some cases people are a bit over sensitive.

The goalies for example, in the main are ****, there's no getting away from that but if you dare say that then you're accused of being sexist (similar to the African cup of nations by the way but that's a while different can of worms!)

It's good if it's getting better but it's got some way to go before it gets my interest.

[StevieT]

I have been refereeing ladies football for a couple of years now and I really enjoy it. The ladies are technically good and there is very little, if any, play acting. Comparing it ti the mens game is silly. It is a sport in its own right. We don't compare tennis, golf, athletics etc. so why football. It is years behind the mens game and has very little financial support. It is also unfairly compared to the mens game at every opportunity by some.

Given a chance, and support, ladies football will thrive.

[Jdawg]

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And in the example of tennis, why don't we reduce the size of the net?

And in golf, only have them play 14 holes instead of 18?

And instead of running in the 100 metres in the Olympics, make Their race only over 90 metres?

just done have women's tennis, it's so boring.

Golf, don't women already play from a shorter tee?

Tennis, they only play 3 sets in grand slams.

[Jdawg]

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You might actually have a point there. Maybe reducing the size of the goals by a matter of inches and the pitch by a few feet would have a positive effect.

...or are we looking at this the wrong way round and do the women actually have it right? The size of the goal frame and pitch has remained constant for over 100 years while in that time the average male player is taller, faster and more agile.

Maybe the men's game should look at increasing goal size and pitch to make it more like the women's game which is perhaps more true to the original idea than what's evolved from the men's game.

bang on mate.

The fact that I don't watch it much is mainly due to how awful the keepers are. Tackling is al almost non-existent/poor too.

Some of the skill and build up play is really good, albeit it at a slow place.

[500miles]

I think to enjoy the women's game properly you to either be a bit of a purist, or involved in it.

If you can really appreciate the tactical side, slow possession football, technical discipline, then you can enjoy it on it's own merits. However, a lot of people will miss strength, the pace and the bustle of men's football. Yes there is more diving and cheating in the men's game, but I would suggest that with the money involved, there is a great deal more at stake.

I think women's football does miss a trick when it comes to the size of the pitch, or even the sides. I mean, if female tennis players only have to play 3 sets to mens 5, theres no reason why smaller pitches - and even smaller team sizes - couldn't be the main focus of the women's game. 7s, 9s, I don't know, but something. That's the way that youth football is going, and it's exactly because of the issue of physical limits of the players. I think as well, that it may introduce more of a physically competitive edge if the game is less spread out, and that would benefit it as a more interesting competition.

[NAE NOOKIE]

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Some of the comparisons here are ludicrous. Obviously top womens tennis players would struggle against men, as would football players, boxers, sprinters etc. There's very few sports were a direct comparison can be made between women and men because they rely on physical abilities that are markedly different between the sexes.

That doesn't take away from the fact that elite sportswomen are supremely talented athletes and the fact Serena Williams couldn't beat Novak Djokovic doesn't change that. I have been pleasantly surprised by the last couple of Women's World Cups, the standard is markedly better than it was 10-15 years ago and if the game continues to grow at the current rate then it's only going to get better. It's something sports fans should be embracing rather than ridiculing. Sadly a lot of the comment on the WWC, thankfully not on here, has shown at best the silly schoolboy is never far from the surface with some men and at worst the unreconstructed misogynist.

Couldn't agree more.

If your starting point is a comparison with the men's game then you are entirely missing the point. The France v Germany match last night was as good a game of football as I've seen in some time.

[HFC 0-7]

Whilst I agree the comparisons between the men's and women's game are wrong, it's hard not to make comparisons when there are grumblings about women's pay not being close to mens pay in football. There have been quite a few articles recently about it. If they want the same pay or somewhere closer they need to draw the attendances on a regular basis both in the stadium and the tv to generate the income.

In golf there have been calls for women to play in the same tournaments as men, I think there have been a few over the years.

[GreenCastle]

If you don't like it fine - no one is forcing you to like it.

To talk it down though isn't the way forward - what do people aim to achieve doing this.

The game continues to grow and develop and last nights game showed that. I can bet many of those players are in better shape and have more skillful than many on here who criticise.

Some nonsense about making goals smaller etc - so should a Sunday league team play in bigger goals as they aren't very good ?

The beauty of it is football can be played by all and yes tennis and golf are examples of different circumstances for women but like the majority of sports, females compete in the same way as men.

I recommend anyone to watch the the remaining quarter finals including England and Canada and chances are you will be surprised how much you enjoy it.

There are plenty of crap men's games so men's football is far from the be all and end all - people need to approach the game with a more open mindset and stop comparing a game funded by millions and traditionally more established. Don't forget the Scottish womens team are higher ranked than the males also !

[Jdawg]

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If you don't like it fine - no one is forcing you to like it.

To talk it down though isn't the way forward - what do people aim to achieve doing this.

The game continues to grow and develop and last nights game showed that. I can bet many of those players are in better shape and have more skillful than many on here who criticise.

Some nonsense about making goals smaller etc - so should a Sunday league team play in bigger goals as they aren't very good ?

The beauty of it is football can be played by all and yes tennis and golf are examples of different circumstances for women but like the majority of sports, females compete in the same way as men.

I recommend anyone to watch the the remaining quarter finals including England and Canada and chances are you will be surprised how much you enjoy it.

There are plenty of crap men's games so men's football is far from the be all and end all - people need to approach the game with a more open mindset and stop comparing a game funded by millions and traditionally more established. Don't forget the Scottish womens team are higher ranked than the males also !

sunfay league teams have far better keepers. Gk's in women's football are beyond terrible.

[JimBHibees]

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I have been refereeing ladies football for a couple of years now and I really enjoy it. The ladies are technically good and there is very little, if any, play acting. Comparing it ti the mens game is silly. It is a sport in its own right. We don't compare tennis, golf, athletics etc. so why football. It is years behind the mens game and has very little financial support. It is also unfairly compared to the mens game at every opportunity by some.

Given a chance, and support, ladies football will thrive.

Agree completely a lot of cracking female players including at youth level where many girls are more than a match for boy players at younger ages.

[GreenCastle]

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sunfay league teams have far better keepers. Gk's in women's football are beyond terrible.

I've seen some terrible Sunday league keepers - maybe make the goals smaller for them ?

[Jonnyboy]

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The OP wasn't talking about comparisons nor are the great majority of posters just simply how entertaining this match was as a " stand alone " game .
You just cannot objectively compare women's/men's sports on a physical basis
I have a teenage grandaughter who plays women's rugby and you would never compare it with the men's game . It is still great fun to watch
That is how it should be with the football let the women's game stand on its own merits
Should it not be that you enjoy all levels of football regardless of the " type" ?

Well said

Anyone know why, on the BBC footie page under the title "Womens World Cup" it then shows the scores/fixtures as England Women v Canada Women etc. FFS it's the Womens World Cup so no need to tag the word 'women' to every country's name!

[Brightside]

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without trying to condescending to women, perhaps they should reduce the size of the goals (just as I hate seeing youth teams playing in full size goals with keepers little over 5 ft). Possibly reducing the pitch size too.

What a load of tosh!!! I'd rather have Hope Solo is goals before oxley. All this stuff if just garbage. I youre so sexist to understand the game you really shouldn't watch it.

[Jdawg]

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What a load of tosh!!! I'd rather have Hope Solo is goals before oxley. All this stuff if just garbage. I youre so sexist to understand the game you really shouldn't watch it.

haha absolute balls, Solo better then Oxley? Aye good one.

Suggestions to improve the women's game is sexist, oh dear.

[Brightside]

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haha absolute balls, Solo better then Oxley? Aye good one.

Suggestions to improve the women's game is sexist, oh dear.

Your constant anti comments are offensive and scream of someone with small ***** issues. You don't like women playing football. Fine. Stop watching and stop commenting.

[Brightside]

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haha absolute balls, Solo better then Oxley? Aye good one.

Suggestions to improve the women's game is sexist, oh dear.

Those women would happily kick you up and down that full size pitch all day long.

[bingo70]

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Your constant anti comments are offensive and scream of someone with small ***** issues. You don't like women playing football. Fine. Stop watching and stop commenting.

Where does he say he doesn't like woman playing football? He's suggested a way to improve the game abd make it more popular, there's been quite a few decent reasons posted on thus thread as to why that'd be a good idea, you need to open your mind to suggested improvements and not take any criticism as sexism.

Fwiw I think your comment about that American goalie being better than Oxley is ridiculous.

[iwasthere1972]

Doesn't do it for me. Most of the play I've seen is tippy tappy stuff and not enough beefy tackles or red cards.

[jdships]

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Well said

Anyone know why, on the BBC footie page under the title "Womens World Cup" it then shows the scores/fixtures as England Women v Canada Women etc. FFS it's the Womens World Cup so no need to tag the word 'women' to every country's name!

Absolutely !!!

[Brightside]

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Where does he say he doesn't like woman playing football? He's suggested a way to improve the game abd make it more popular, there's been quite a few decent reasons posted on thus thread as to why that'd be a good idea, you need to open your mind to suggested improvements and not take any criticism as sexism.

Fwiw I think your comment about that American goalie being better than Oxley is ridiculous.

Playing Hope rather than Oxley was obv tongue in cheek as she is a women and they don't play in mens football. BUT she is a top quality womens goal keeper with 4 shut outs in this WC. Even with those massive goals and that really heavy ball.

To suggest women should have a smaller pitch is not a suggestion to improve the game, it made to belittle women and somehow claim they aren't strong enough to play on a pitch of that size. When they are banging shots in from the outside the box do some people really think the goals are too far away? Can they not reach the box with a corner? Are they not strong enough to run up and down the wing? The comments are something from the dark ages.

Personally i have no time for Rugby (Men or Women). I don't watch it as it doesn't entertain me. Perhaps if they weren't allowed to pick the ball up it would be better, or maybe not just picking it up and kicking it out?! But i wouldn't go on a rugby forum and slate it as i don't understand it. The poster above either doesn't understand it, or just gets off on slating women playing a sport that he thinks is only for men.

[Brightside]

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Doesn't do it for me. Most of the play I've seen is tippy tappy stuff and not enough beefy tackles or red cards.

Did you not watch the Ger v Fra game? Plenty beefy tackles alongside some excellent technical football. No red cards though - even despite one of the french girls copying the men and taking a dive.

[ekhibee]

Well I haven't read through the entire thread, but the Women's World Cup seems to be quite a good tournament with some games certainly worth watching. The only fear I would have is that it is the World Cup. The leagues, in Scotland anyway, don't command big crowds and struggle with sponsorship etc, often through no fault of their own. I'm sure somebody on here pointed out ages ago that Hibernian Ladies don't receive any financial support from Hibs, or very little anyway, and they're consistently high up the top womens league. Maybe with a new regime in charge that's changed. IMO most football commentators are quite sexist in Scotland and that doesn't help at all, but until the women's game, at league level, gets serious sponsorship and more people have to sit up and take notice, there will still be plenty of chauvinism doing the rounds, both on this board and many other football forums. That does not mean obviously that everybody on this board is chauvinistic, far from it, but there's always room for improvement or a change of attitude IMO.

[blackpoolhibs]

Is there not a forum on here for other sports?

[Jdawg]

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Playing Hope rather than Oxley was obv tongue in cheek as she is a women and they don't play in mens football. BUT she is a top quality womens goal keeper with 4 shut outs in this WC. Even with those massive goals and that really heavy ball.

To suggest women should have a smaller pitch is not a suggestion to improve the game, it made to belittle women and somehow claim they aren't strong enough to play on a pitch of that size. When they are banging shots in from the outside the box do some people really think the goals are too far away? Can they not reach the box with a corner? Are they not strong enough to run up and down the wing? The comments are something from the dark ages.

Personally i have no time for Rugby (Men or Women). I don't watch it as it doesn't entertain me. Perhaps if they weren't allowed to pick the ball up it would be better, or maybe not just picking it up and kicking it out?! But i wouldn't go on a rugby forum and slate it as i don't understand it. The poster above either doesn't understand it, or just gets off on slating women playing a sport that he thinks is only for men.

I understand it plenty pal, away and sit down.

I agree with you completely on rugby though, absolute borefest of a sport.

Your solo better than Oxley didn't come across as tongue and cheek. Have a look again at your post.

Oh, the post is about women's football as well.

[Jdawg]

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Where does he say he doesn't like woman playing football? He's suggested a way to improve the game abd make it more popular, there's been quite a few decent reasons posted on thus thread as to why that'd be a good idea, you need to open your mind to suggested improvements and not take any criticism as sexism.

Fwiw I think your comment about that American goalie being better than Oxley is ridiculous.

correct on all points, great post.

[Brightside]

For those of you that enjoy the game. Aus V Japan will be decent tonight. Australia loads of energy and fight (despite the big pitch and their wee skinny legs). Japan technically very strong and very much a pass and move team. England V Canada could well be a bore fest as the England coach won't let them play expansive football.

[Ricky Bobby]

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For those of you that enjoy the game. Aus V Japan will be decent tonight. Australia loads of energy and fight (despite the big pitch and their wee skinny legs). Japan technically very strong and very much a pass and move team. England V Canada could well be a bore fest as the England coach won't let them play expansive football .

I think you might be right about this ,Englands tactics throughout have been very negative. The competition really needs Canada to win tonight and hopefully get exciting semi finals

[IWasThere2016]

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Yep, really enjoyed watching the game. France should have won but as ever, the Germans showed their resilience. So refreshing to see no play acting and cynical tackles. Total football.

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Spot on.

They deserve the utmost praise and encouragement, rather than criticism.

I know the sacrifices that some of the Aussie team have made to follow their dream, and no doubt in many other countries it is the same.

Whether one chooses to watch it or not is up to the individual, but good luck to all of 'em, wherever the come from.

I think it's great tbh. Some very gifted and committed players on show.