Ben Williams

***Aldo*** · 20-06-2015 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Thecat23

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He is far better at crosses than Oxley. Better shot stopper than Oxley as well. No brainer tbh if he's willing to come back. In this league he will find it far easier imo.

Both are terrible at crosses TC. Williams was poor very poor and very rarely came off his line and when he did he was lost! Didn't command his area.

**Bronson** · 20-06-2015 01:13 PM

I loved Williams, take him back in a heartbeat.

**Pretty Boy** · 20-06-2015 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Aldo

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Both are terrible at crosses TC. Williams was poor very poor and very rarely came off his line and when he did he was lost! Didn't command his area.

My abiding memory of Williams at crosses is from the game at Tynecastle when Ross Caldwell score the winner.

He came for a corner early in the 1st half and sort of wandered to the edge of the 6 yard box, didn't put his hands up and proceeded to do a weird shoulder roll type thing and we had to scramble the ball of the line. He then inexplicably did almost exactly the same thing a short while later and that time Hearts scored. In between Times he dropped another cross right at the feet of N'Goo and again we had to clear off the line. ThrSC cup final against Celtic was the same, he almost seemed to start coming for crosses, have second thoughts and just stop.

***Aldo*** · 20-06-2015 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

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My abiding memory of Williams at crosses is from the game at Tynecastle when Ross Caldwell score the winner. He came for a corner early in the 1st half and sort of wandered to the edge of the 6 yard box, didn't put his hands up and proceeded to do a weird shoulder roll type thing and we had to scramble the ball of the line. He then inexplicably did almost exactly the same thing a short while later and that time Hearts scored. The SC cup final against Celtic was the same, he almost seemed to start coming for crosses, have second thoughts and just stop.

This!

**bill the hibby** · 20-06-2015 01:19 PM

Contrary to what I said earlier, I think we can get better than williams and oxley.

***eastterrace*** · 20-06-2015 01:23 PM

he had great save in the play off game from jason scotland was around about the 13th minute at easter road .

***Callum_62*** · 20-06-2015 01:24 PM

He is better than what we currently have

**Pretty Boy** · 20-06-2015 01:27 PM

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He is better than what we currently have

In fairness my 82 year old Granddad is better than we currently have.

***Callum_62*** · 20-06-2015 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

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In fairness my 82 year old Granddad is better than we currently have.

***Keith_M*** · 20-06-2015 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Sergey

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Those supposed rumours aren't doing the rounds with the Barnet supporters that I know.

He's first name on their team sheet and isn't going anywhere.

Just relaying a conversation I had a moment ago with folks who would most likely know.

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Are you on about Graham Stack?

Graham Stack is the Barnet Goalie, Ben Williams plays for Bradford

***HibbyAndy*** · 20-06-2015 02:14 PM

If there was any chance of getting BW back i'd take him.

**Thecat23** · 20-06-2015 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Aldo

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Both are terrible at crosses TC. Williams was poor very poor and very rarely came off his line and when he did he was lost! Didn't command his area.

I agree he's not the best but I think he's much better than Oxley at catching it mate. Oxley done ok at times and other times my heart was in my mouth. Out the two he's the better keeper in my opinion. I think that's why Stubbs was happy to let him go.

***Aldo*** · 20-06-2015 02:21 PM

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I agree he's not the best but I think he's much better than Oxley at catching it mate. Oxley done ok at times and other times my heart was in my mouth. Out the two he's the better keeper in my opinion. I think that's why Stubbs was happy to let him go.

Yeah Oxley wasn't great at crossed but TC Williams never came off his line and when he did he usually made an arse of it.

BW will not get any better however I still think Oxley is young and has s lot to learn and will (or should) improve.

If I had a choice I'd look elsewhere but would choose Oxley over Willuams!!

***SteveHFC*** · 20-06-2015 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Aldo

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Yeah Oxley wasn't great at crossed but TC Williams never came off his line and when he did he usually made an arse of it.

BW will not get any better however I still think Oxley is young and has s lot to learn and will (or should) improve.

If I had a choice I'd look elsewhere but would choose Oxley over Willuams!!

I'd choose neither tbh.

***Eyrie*** · 20-06-2015 02:59 PM

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He saved alot of pens!!

Only at the start of his time with us. Don't forget that he didn't save any against Hamilton in the shoot out.

***bigwheel*** · 20-06-2015 03:04 PM

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Only at the start of his time with us. Don't forget that he didn't save any against Hamilton in the shoot out.

The worst goalie I've ever seen at pens was Oxley against Dundee United last season...anyway, whilst I'd much rather have Williams than Oxley - I hope Stubbs brings in someone better than either...

**iwasthere1972** · 20-06-2015 03:05 PM

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Yeah Oxley wasn't great at crossed but TC Williams never came off his line and when he did he usually made an arse of it.

BW will not get any better however I still think Oxley is young and has s lot to learn and will (or should) improve.

If I had a choice I'd look elsewhere but would choose Oxley over Willuams!!

Plus his goal scoring record was better.

**stoneyburn hibs** · 20-06-2015 03:08 PM

Wouldn't be too fussed if he doesn't come back. He never managed to command his box.

**~~Sergey~~** · 20-06-2015 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by keekaboo

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Graham Stack is the Barnet Goalie, Ben Williams plays for Bradford

Oops - bit of a f-up on my part.

It's safe to say that Graham Stack will not be re-joining us - I don't know about Williams, though

**GreenArmyyy!** · 20-06-2015 05:04 PM

Would be absolutely delighted if true. Cracking keeper, much better than Oxley and had a great passion for us.

***erin go bragh*** · 20-06-2015 05:09 PM

I thought he looked a beaten man before the pen shootout against the Accies .

GGTTH

**MWHIBBIES** · 20-06-2015 05:16 PM

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I thought he looked a beaten man before the pen shootout against the Accies .

GGTTH

So did the other 10 players and all the Hibs fans in the ground.

**yekimevol** · 20-06-2015 06:01 PM

Would be extremely happy with Big Ben coming home; thought he was a great keeper for us (compared to most that came before him) and that it was only when Butcher ruined the team that he like many others started having problems.

**Deeds** · 20-06-2015 06:58 PM

I think it's important to remember that Mark Oxley has had a season in the division and knows and has built up an understanding/ friendship with players currently there. That goes a long way in my opinion. I liked Ben Williams and thought he was a decent keeper, but for me the choice is Oxley

***Scouse Hibee*** · 20-06-2015 08:11 PM

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I think it's important to remember that Mark Oxley has had a season in the division and knows and has built up an understanding/ friendship with players currently there. That goes a long way in my opinion. I liked Ben Williams and thought he was a decent keeper, but for me the choice is Oxley

Agree 100% happy to see him return.

***blackpoolhibs*** · 21-06-2015 01:36 PM

Lets be honest here, we should finish in the top 2 this season with any old lump of lard in goal for us.

I'd like us to prepare for life back in the top league by bringing in a better standard of keeper than either Williams or Oxley, but either would be good enough for the coming season.

**Pat 0-7** · 21-06-2015 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by bigwheel

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The worst goalie I've ever seen at pens was Oxley against Dundee United last season...anyway, whilst I'd much rather have Williams than Oxley - I hope Stubbs brings in someone better than either...

This.

And that's not Jamie ***** McDonald.

***lord bunberry*** · 21-06-2015 10:47 PM

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Don't forget being stripped of the captaincy wouldn't have helped his mindset.

Well seeing as no one else has said it I might as well. I'm sure that being stripped of the captaincy removed the fear of being stripped of the captaincy.