UEFA Champions League Final - Juventus v Barcelona

[Sergey]

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So my head buttons up the back if I think that elite sportsmen and women can get to the top of their sport without drugs? So Murray, Messi, Mayweather, Redgrave, etc etc are or were all taking drugs. Clearly you know better than everyone else. Just like the time when the Jambo's were going tits up!

They did

[Golden Bear]

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It's only conjecture if you're not willing (or able) to look at the facts of the matter.

I resurrected an old thread on the PM board earlier today where you personally questioned me when I flagged Rupp up as a drug cheat (hope that reads right, Your Honour).

I could refer you to research Operation Puerto - many sportsmen were implicated in blood transfusions, but only cyclists were implicated.

I cite the two images I referred to earlier as being known clients of Dr. Fuentes.

Yip. Personally I blame it all on your Lithuanian special agent, the lassie was obviously on something.

[Sir David Gray]

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Lance Armstrong never failed a dope test. So what is your point? One is only guilty of doping if they fail a test?

No, obviously not. However Lance Armstrong was quite an unusual case in that he and his team put a lot of effort into covering up the doping programme that they were carrying out.

I would be shocked and genuinely disappointed if it turns out that either Nadal or Serena Williams had ever taken a banned substance in order to aid their performance.

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Athletes are quite good at going to a training camp in the middle of nowhere to prepare.

Yes but they need to provide details of where they are going to be for one hour per day, every single day so that the drugs testers can turn up at any point.

[Sergey]

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No, obviously not. However Lance Armstrong was quite an unusual case in that he and his team put a lot of effort into covering up the doping programme that they were carrying out.

And who was the main backer behind the programme throughout...

...Nike.

They backed him from the outset of his career and were the pivotal player in ensuring the drug testing was clean.

I can't believe you honestly believe the Williams sisters are clean.

[McD]

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And who was the main backer behind the programme throughout...

...Nike.

They backed him from the outset of his career and were the pivotal player in ensuring the drug testing was clean.

I can't believe you honestly believe the Williams sisters are clean.

not looking for an argument here serg, but can you show me/us clear proof of that?

its a fair point to say that they backed him, and arguably its not a huge assumption to say that they may have known about his drug use, but to say they were the key component to ensuring his testing remained clean is a massive claim.

i can see logic behind that claim (they want to have their athletes be the best), but being caught in doing so would finish them as a company. Doesn't really strike me as worth the risk, especially when they have the financial clout to sponsor the elite athletes (plural) in any sport they wish to.

[Golden Bear]

Sergey, a serious question this time. I'm what you would you call a golf addict yet most certainly not a Tiger Woods fan. However for all my knowledge of the game, I've yet to come across anything that suggest that Tiger has ever had any involvement in drugs. So can I ask you where your suspicions lie and where you can provide concrete evidence?

[Mikey09]

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And who was the main backer behind the programme throughout...

...Nike.

They backed him from the outset of his career and were the pivotal player in ensuring the drug testing was clean.

I can't believe you honestly believe the Williams sisters are clean.

Can you give me one piece of evidence that points to the fact they were doping?? I'm honestly really curious.

[Big Ed]

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Meanwhile ........... weren't Barca excellent tonight! Juve gave them a good game but the best team won

Yes John.

I thoroughly enjoyed the game tonight.

You are correct: the best team won.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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Made a few bob on
" Barca 3-1 and Neymar Jr to score "

Fitbaw folk ken what its aboot! Well done sir! :-)

[Sergey]

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not looking for an argument here serg, but can you show me/us clear proof of that?

its a fair point to say that they backed him, and arguably its not a huge assumption to say that they may have known about his drug use, but to say they were the key component to ensuring his testing remained clean is a massive claim.

i can see logic behind that claim (they want to have their athletes be the best), but being caught in doing so would finish them as a company. Doesn't really strike me as worth the risk, especially when they have the financial clout to sponsor the elite athletes (plural) in any sport they wish to.

I'll dig out what I have tomorrow as it's in written format somewhere in my office. I don't want to post something now that is inaccurate...I'm also tired

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Sergey, a serious question this time. I'm what you would you call a golf addict yet most certainly not a Tiger Woods fan. However for all my knowledge of the game, I've yet to come across anything that suggest that Tiger has ever had any involvement in drugs. So can I ask you where your suspicions lie and where you can provide concrete evidence?

Here's one link - there are hundreds out there if you look.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...icle-1.1860280

The best places to look are cycling forums. The real dirty stuff is discussed there and the same names crop up time and again in investigations.

Little surprise that the names in the article are Nike sponsored.

He seemingly shot an 85 today - so he's maybe getting the same injections as I am

[liamh2202]

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I'll dig out what I have tomorrow as it's in written format somewhere in my office. I don't want to post something now that is inaccurate...I'm also tired



Here's one link - there are hundreds out there if you look.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...icle-1.1860280

The best places to look are cycling forums. The real dirty stuff is discussed there and the same names crop up time and again in investigations.

Little surprise that the names in the article are Nike sponsored.

He seemingly shot an 85 today - so he's maybe getting the same injections as I am

A cycling forum ??? I'd rather sit in a dark room with interrogation music

[McD]

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I'll dig out what I have tomorrow as it's in written format somewhere in my office. I don't want to post something now that is inaccurate...I'm also tired



Here's one link - there are hundreds out there if you look.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...icle-1.1860280

The best places to look are cycling forums. The real dirty stuff is discussed there and the same names crop up time and again in investigations.

Little surprise that the names in the article are Nike sponsored.

He seemingly shot an 85 today - so he's maybe getting the same injections as I am

Fair enough mate, I'm genuinely interested to read that 😊

[Golden Bear]

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I'll dig out what I have tomorrow as it's in written format somewhere in my office. I don't want to post something now that is inaccurate...I'm also tired



Here's one link - there are hundreds out there if you look.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...icle-1.1860280

The best places to look are cycling forums. The real dirty stuff is discussed there and the same names crop up time and again in investigations.

Little surprise that the names in the article are Nike sponsored.

He seemingly shot an 85 today - so he's maybe getting the same injections as I am

In Scots law that would go down as 'not proven' m'Lord and in any case any golfer will tell you that the use of drugs is more likely to be a hindrance rather than an advantage.

[heretoday]

What a mental match tonight! It was quite unlike a European final. Both teams threw caution to the winds and went for it. Neither defence looked secure. On this evidence the era of tippy-tap football is over.

[California-Hibs]

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Champions League winners in last ten years:

Barcelona
Milan
Man Utd
Barcelona
Inter
Barcelona
Chelsea
Bayern Munich
Real Madrid
Barcelona

7 different winners in the last 10 years? That's pretty good going if you ask me!

[JimBHibees]

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7 different winners in the last 10 years? That's pretty good going if you ask me!

Only 6 different winners.

[Mr White]

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Only 6 different winners.

Milan, inter, barca, real, chelsea, man u & bayern = 7.

[JimBHibees]

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Milan, inter, barca, real, chelsea, man u & bayern = 7.

Ok cheers Still half asleep.

[Cod Boy]

I thought Hearts were supposed to have won it in last ten years.

[Future17]

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In Scots law that would go down as 'not proven' m'Lord and in any case any golfer will tell you that the use of drugs is more likely to be a hindrance rather than an advantage.

Does it not depend just how bad you are to start with?

[Golden Bear]

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Does it not depend just how bad you are to start with?

Now that could be true.

There was actually a case on the PGA tour last season when a certain high profile professional golfer "disappeared" from the scene for a few months after allegations of heroin abuse were made against him. It's not considered to be a major problem in golf although I'd be very surprised if everyone was 100% clean.

[blackpoolhibs]

Well the best team won, and the team that wanted to kick the other team off the park got what they deserved. How that ref did not book and send off some of those Juve players is beyond me, he gave the team who were trying to play the right way no protection at all?

On a side not, we were sitting in the pub and my mate who is a broad glaswegian said he was going over the road to put a bet on, i said i fancied 3-0 and so did he.

I gave him £20 to put on, and he said he'd do the same bet. He came back and we watched the game, and when Juve scored i threw my bet away.

He kept his because he'd also had £20 Barca half time and full time. When the game finished we all went over to the bookies to pick up his winnings, and the woman behind the counter who wrote his slip out for him had written 3-1 instead of 3-0 at 9-1.

I shot back over to the pub and searched the floor for my betting slip and when i found it she'd done the same on mine.

[BSEJVT]

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Now that could be true.

There was actually a case on the PGA tour last season when a certain high profile professional golfer "disappeared" from the scene for a few months after allegations of heroin abuse were made against him. It's not considered to be a major problem in golf although I'd be very surprised if everyone was 100% clean.

It was cocaine, said "gentleman" is also a serial ****ger with the spouses of Jason Duffner & Jimmy Walker being a few of his alleged many conquests.

Don't know if you watched Memorial last night but the Duffner pairing looked a bit tense and as far as I could see they never exchanged a word or nod and certainly didn't breathe the same air whilst walking up the fairway.

An accident that the individuals disappearance coincided with the Ryder Cup........ who knows.

I also heard an interesting story regarding a hooker, glass topped table and broken engagement.

[Just_Jimmy]

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It was cocaine, said "gentleman" is also a serial ****ger with the spouses of Jason Duffner & Jimmy Walker being a few of his alleged many conquests.

Don't know if you watched Memorial last night but the Duffner pairing looked a bit tense and as far as I could see they never exchanged a word or nod and certainly didn't breathe the same air whilst walking up the fairway.

An accident that the individuals disappearance coincided with the Ryder Cup........ who knows.

I also heard an interesting story regarding a hooker, glass topped table and broken engagement.

There have also been a few stories around St Andrews of student parties and such like. Well Known.

[jacomo]

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What a mental match tonight! It was quite unlike a European final. Both teams threw caution to the winds and went for it. Neither defence looked secure. On this evidence the era of tippy-tap football is over.

I think Juve would have retreated into their shell had they not conceded so early. Goals change games!

[DH1875]

See that Barca have signed Aleix Vidal. Nice to see their transfer ban is working.
Also adds to the myth, yeah he is a good young Catalan player but when your spending over 20 million on a player, anyone can get them. Yes he played for their youth team but you've still paid 20+ million to sign him.

[MWHIBBIES]

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Well the best team won, and the team that wanted to kick the other team off the park got what they deserved. How that ref did not book and send off some of those Juve players is beyond me, he gave the team who were trying to play the right way no protection at all?

On a side not, we were sitting in the pub and my mate who is a broad glaswegian said he was going over the road to put a bet on, i said i fancied 3-0 and so did he.

I gave him £20 to put on, and he said he'd do the same bet. He came back and we watched the game, and when Juve scored i threw my bet away.

He kept his because he'd also had £20 Barca half time and full time. When the game finished we all went over to the bookies to pick up his winnings, and the woman behind the counter who wrote his slip out for him had written 3-1 instead of 3-0 at 9-1.

I shot back over to the pub and searched the floor for my betting slip and when i found it she'd done the same on mine.

did you watch the game? there wasn't a malicious challenge in it, closing a team down and getting in their faces isn't trying to kick them off the park.

[WeeRussell]

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See that Barca have signed Aleix Vidal. Nice to see their transfer ban is working.
Also adds to the myth, yeah he is a good young Catalan player but when your spending over 20 million on a player, anyone can get them. Yes he played for their youth team but you've still paid 20+ million to sign him.

He can't play for Barca until 2016 - when the ban is up.

Unsure what point you're trying to make afterwards - but they haven't spent over £20 million on him.

[Hibbyradge]

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did you watch the game? there wasn't a malicious challenge in it, closing a team down and getting in their faces isn't trying to kick them off the park.

Vidal was taken off before he was sent off. Just in time because I was just about to put a few quid on a red card.

[Hibby Bairn]

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Vidal was taken off before he was sent off. Just in time because I was just about to put a few quid on a red card.

Case closed. Guilty m'lord. :)