How much garbage do these two talk?

[madhatter]

How bad is this show? The tone of Gary Cocker and his face looks like he has a deep hatred of Hibs while he says:

"I've never seen a team miss as many chances as Hibs did between Malonga and Cummings it must have been a dozen chances...in the first half alone" - clearly poor at Maths as there wasn't that many in first half and especially not only for Malonga and Cummings; also clearly doesn't watch much football either because I've seen plenty teams miss many more better quality chances than we did.

"like I said the last time, the last time I was right in this seat actually, I said Hibs are notorious Bottle Merchants and they proved that once again"

All the while Craig Fowler is smirking like a wee idiot.

http://www.scotsman.com/video/sport/...-4255813663001

I think it is safe to say that quite a few fans across Scotland enjoy mocking Hibs. People have continually contested this but shutting up idiots like this by coming flying up next season and getting a comfortable top six instantly the season after would be great. I'd love to shut this lot up.

How is it that every time we lose a big game without a doubt the word "Bottle" will be used somewhere instantly even without taking into account actual game? Adding to this, did Rangers bottle it against Alloa in Petrofac? Did Celtic bottle it against ICT in cup? Nah, they aren't Hibs...

[monktonharp]

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How bad is this show? The tone of Gary Cocker and his face looks like he has a deep hatred of Hibs while he says:

"I've never seen a team miss as many chances as Hibs did between Malonga and Cummings it must have been a dozen chances...in the first half alone" - clearly poor at Maths as there wasn't that many in first half and especially not only for Malonga and Cummings; also clearly doesn't watch much football either because I've seen plenty teams miss many more better quality chances than we did.

"like I said the last time, the last time I was right in this seat actually, I said Hibs are notorious Bottle Merchants and they proved that once again"

All the while Craig Fowler is smirking like a wee idiot.

http://www.scotsman.com/video/sport/...-4255813663001

I think it is safe to say that quite a few fans across Scotland enjoy mocking Hibs. People have continually contested this but shutting up idiots like this by coming flying up next season and getting a comfortable top six instantly the season after would be great. I'd love to shut this lot up.

How is it that every time we lose a big game without a doubt the word "Bottle" will be used somewhere instantly even without taking into account actual game? Adding to this, did Rangers bottle it against Alloa in Petrofac? Did Celtic bottle it against ICT in cup? Nah, they aren't Hibs...

I understand your concerns, and have a certain sympathy with you, but, as they are not Hibernian fans they have no understanding of the sheer bad luck our club has had on numerous occasions in the cup, in the league etc. we are the biggest under performers,ever, in fitba terms with the ENGLISH exeption of NUFC. we have bottled it, on numerous occasions, and it always looks as if it was that. you and I, as Hibs fans, know that we have not always done that but we never seem to get an equal break that others do in the crucial games. yet still we go to see our team

[greenlex]

As long as some of our own fans are of this mindset it's no surprise that others jump on the bandwagon. Best ignored.

[HappyAsHellas]

I think as Hibs fans it is fair to say that in the past certain performances could be viewed in a dim light, but those days are gone now. We may have underperformed in a game or two this season but certainly have never bottled it. These maggots pick up on LD and AS having to defend this, and then try to use it as a barometer of their incredible knowledge of the game. As I say, Maggots.

[greenginger]

Better being referred to as " Bottlers " by the media than as tax cheating, creditor screwing, charity thieves as the two teams in line for promotion constantly get called by the same media !

Or have I missed something ?

[Alfred E Newman]

I don't know why the media love putting the boot in but it has become so common now that I am past caring. The BBC sport webpage report on Saturdays game stated that most Hibs supporters were on their way home when Cummings scored. Really??

[green day]

Who exactly are Gary Cocker and Craig Fowler ?

[Billychaotic182]

I like Craig Fowler. He is a hearts fan so of course he is going to take the piss out of us if he gets the chance. If you listen to the terrace football podcast he comes across as a likeable guy. But what do we expect these media outlets to say about us? People seem to take offence if anything negative is writen about us. Fact is these people writing the story's are not hibs fans, so they are just saying it like THEY see it. We might not agree but we can't change that.

[GreenOnions]

I've never heard either of their names before although I have seen the bearded guy on similar links from this site on other occasions.

I don't really think we should take what they say too seriously - they look like two school-leavers producing an audition piece to try to get into sports journalism. It's amateurish and hardly cerebral.

I don't take issue with the fact that the guy is criticising Hibs. He loses credibility via his poorly conceived notion about Hibs "bottling it" against Rangers: Using that phrase to describe our loss to Rangers is ridiculous. It implies that we "froze" or "didn't turn up" etc. These things may well have happened in the past on some big occasions but not on this one. Anyone who saw the games would know that we really did turn up - to the extent that we were much the better footballing side in both games and that we dominated probably about 75% of the play across the two legs creating enough opportunities to win several games.

Bottling-it suggests a failure of attitude, determination and self-confidence. I don't think a team performs as Hibs did when these factors are in evidence. The lad Fowler either didn't watch the games, doesn't really know what the words he's using mean or, more likely, wrote the script he'd like to deliver on the show before the first leg actually started.

If Fowler wants to get into journalism he will need to sharpen up his act and become objective and accurate in his analysis. Otherwise he will continue to come across just like someone they've dragged into the studio from the street wearing a maroon scarf.

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I've never heard either of their names before although I have seen the bearded guy on similar links from this site on other occasions.

I don't really think we should take what they say too seriously - they look like two school-leavers producing an audition piece to try to get into sports journalism. It's amateurish and hardly cerebral.

I don't take issue with the fact that the guy is criticising Hibs. He loses credibility via his poorly conceived notion about Hibs "bottling it" against Rangers: Using that phrase to describe our loss to Rangers is ridiculous. It implies that we "froze" or "didn't turn up" etc. These things may well have happened in the past on some big occasions but not on this one. Anyone who saw the games would know that we really did turn up - to the extent that we were much the better footballing side in both games and that we dominated probably about 75% of the play across the two legs creating enough opportunities to win several games.

Bottling-it suggests a failure of attitude, determination and self-confidence. I don't think a team performs as Hibs did when these factors are in evidence. The lad Fowler either didn't watch the games, doesn't really know what the words he's using mean or, more likely, wrote the script he'd like to deliver on the show before the first leg actually started.

If Fowler wants to get into journalism he will need to sharpen up his act and become objective and accurate in his analysis. Otherwise he will continue to come across just like someone they've dragged into the studio from the street wearing a maroon scarf.

I think you're being a bit harsh on Craig Fowler - he does a really good and fairly balanced job on the Terrace podcast, and personally I think we need a few more young guys like him, without historic ties to the old firm, across the media landscape in this country. From the little I can understand, his background is print journalism but he is obviously trying to do his bit in broadcast media and I admire that effort to build a career/profile.

Having said that, I agree with your analysis in paragraph 3. Hibs certainly did not bottle it and it is lazy analysis to use our past failures to tarnish the current squad. What we lacked was a cutting edge and the real quality and guile, even game intelligence maybe, that you need to break down an obstinate side set on defending for their lives.

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I think you're being a bit harsh on Craig Fowler - he does a really good and fairly balanced job on the Terrace podcast, and personally I think we need a few more young guys like him, without historic ties to the old firm, across the media landscape in this country. From the little I can understand, his background is print journalism but he is obviously trying to do his bit in broadcast media and I admire that effort to build a career/profile.

Having said that, I agree with your analysis in paragraph 3. Hibs certainly did not bottle it and it is lazy analysis to use our past failures to tarnish the current squad. What we lacked was a cutting edge and the real quality and guile, even game intelligence maybe, that you need to break down an obstinate side set on defending for their lives.

Fair enough - I take your point about him. All I know about the guy is what I saw and heard on that broadcast and, as you say, his piece can only be described as, at best, lazy thinking. I will watch out for further output from him though and, hopefully, he can work on improving the quality of his contribution.

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From the little I can understand, his background is print journalism but he is obviously trying to do his bit in broadcast media and I admire that effort to build a career/profile.

Couldn't be less interested in his career/profile. If that's how lazy a journalist he's setting out to be he'll be just another gimp slagging Scottish Football/Hibernian without actually paying attention to proceedings. Another one of those to add to the pile.

[Carheenlea]

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Couldn't be less interested in his career/profile. If that's how lazy a journalist he's setting out to be he'll be just another gimp slagging Scottish Football/Hibernian without actually paying attention to proceedings. Another one of those to add to the pile.

Last thing the Scottish media needs is another Jambo welt within its ranks.

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Couldn't be less interested in his career/profile. If that's how lazy a journalist he's setting out to be he'll be just another gimp slagging Scottish Football/Hibernian without actually paying attention to proceedings. Another one of those to add to the pile.

No one is under any obligation to like or listen to him, I'm just trying to give a bit of context here - it's a guy who generally does a good job, probably for the most part unpaid. I don't agree with his analysis of this game but he normally comes across well, facilitates non-OF biased discussion on Scottish football that I enjoy, and IMO doesn't deserve abuse.

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No one is under any obligation to like or listen to him, I'm just trying to give a bit of context here - it's a guy who generally does a good job, probably for the most part unpaid. I don't agree with his analysis of this game but he normally comes across well, facilitates non-OF biased discussion on Scottish football that I enjoy, and IMO doesn't deserve abuse.

He started it.

[mattyjacklegend]

In defence of Gary, he got a late call up due to myself being unavailable for the Scotsman Google Hangout. I am a regular panelist for both the Scotsman and Terrace Podcast. I was earmarked to come on as a Hibs fan who was at the game. Due to the late call up I feel Gary was ill prepared. On the pod I disagreed with Gary's assessment as like some of you state, just because we lost does not mean we 'bottled' it.

Craig Fowler is superb and while he has a position at the Scotsman as an employee, much of what he does is unpaid. He started the pod as he wanted to create more balanced and inclusive Scottish football coverage. We at the pod all commit a huge amount of time to give Scottish football fans what they want and give an alternative to more mainstream coverage.

We have a core listener group of around 1500 to 2000 and love feedback like this to help us create the best coverage we can. Obviously we would love more listeners and continued feedback.

Ultimately each individual will not agree with every panelist but we pride ourselves on giving a balanced view. In terms of the boss, Craig Fowler, he is extremely hard working and is trying to change how Scottish football is covered. We even have lower league pundits on from time to time to cover Championship and below as we feel all of Scottish football is important.

I hope some of you give the pod a try and enjoy the coverage. Please don't hesitate to post views of it and the Scotsman 'Google Hangout' on here or on our websites etc. we can only improve with our fans help.

My name is Tony Anderson btw, haha.

GGTTH

[mattyjacklegend]

Also, Gary is a Dundee fan and has said a few times how much he has warmed to both Edinburgh clubs since moving to Edinburgh. Mainly due to how passionate both fan bases are.

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In defence of Gary, he got a late call up due to myself being unavailable for the Scotsman Google Hangout. I am a regular panelist for both the Scotsman and Terrace Podcast. I was earmarked to come on as a Hibs fan who was at the game. Due to the late call up I feel Gary was ill prepared. On the pod I disagreed with Gary's assessment as like some of you state, just because we lost does not mean we 'bottled' it.

Craig Fowler is superb and while he has a position at the Scotsman as an employee, much of what he does is unpaid. He started the pod as he wanted to create more balanced and inclusive Scottish football coverage. We at the pod all commit a huge amount of time to give Scottish football fans what they want and give an alternative to more mainstream coverage.

We have a core listener group of around 1500 to 2000 and love feedback like this to help us create the best coverage we can. Obviously we would love more listeners and continued feedback.

Ultimately each individual will not agree with every panelist but we pride ourselves on giving a balanced view. In terms of the boss, Craig Fowler, he is extremely hard working and is trying to change how Scottish football is covered. We even have lower league pundits on from time to time to cover Championship and below as we feel all of Scottish football is important.

I hope some of you give the pod a try and enjoy the coverage. Please don't hesitate to post views of it and the Scotsman on here or on our websites etc. we can only improve with our fans help.

My name is Tony Anderson btw, haha.

GGTTH

Well I love the podcast. The likes of the terrace, scottish comedy fc and Monday night fit ba have made me enjoy listening to football shows again. Can't handle sportsound or off the ball as they care more about what goes on off the pitch than on it. Enjoyed your memorable teams shows and well. Keep up the good work Tony

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I like Craig Fowler. He is a hearts fan so of course he is going to take the piss out of us if he gets the chance. If you listen to the terrace football podcast he comes across as a likeable guy. But what do we expect these media outlets to say about us? People seem to take offence if anything negative is writen about us. Fact is these people writing the story's are not hibs fans, so they are just saying it like THEY see it. We might not agree but we can't change that.

Saying we bottled it is a bit more than saying it how they seen it IMO. It's a pretty poor comment to make, anyone watching both games couldn't accuse us of bottling it.

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In defence of Gary, he got a late call up due to myself being unavailable for the Scotsman Google Hangout. I am a regular panelist for both the Scotsman and Terrace Podcast. I was earmarked to come on as a Hibs fan who was at the game. Due to the late call up I feel Gary was ill prepared. On the pod I disagreed with Gary's assessment as like some of you state, just because we lost does not mean we 'bottled' it.

Craig Fowler is superb and while he has a position at the Scotsman as an employee, much of what he does is unpaid. He started the pod as he wanted to create more balanced and inclusive Scottish football coverage. We at the pod all commit a huge amount of time to give Scottish football fans what they want and give an alternative to more mainstream coverage.

We have a core listener group of around 1500 to 2000 and love feedback like this to help us create the best coverage we can. Obviously we would love more listeners and continued feedback.

Ultimately each individual will not agree with every panelist but we pride ourselves on giving a balanced view. In terms of the boss, Craig Fowler, he is extremely hard working and is trying to change how Scottish football is covered. We even have lower league pundits on from time to time to cover Championship and below as we feel all of Scottish football is important.

I hope some of you give the pod a try and enjoy the coverage. Please don't hesitate to post views of it and the Scotsman on here or on our websites etc. we can only improve with our fans help.

My name is Tony Anderson btw, haha.

GGTTH

So, ask your mate "the boss" if/when he is going to do a piece asking difficult questions of Budge - I.e. if they are going to pay back the businesses they stiffed pre administration?

This erse thinks its fine to poke fun solely at our club? I'm sure he's another "reasonable jambo" who still gives it the big 5-1 even though that team was paid for with other peoples cash.

So, sorry - your reply is reasonable, but Fowlers journalism is in no way professional or balanced. Perhaps he should just piss off to Sportsound like every other hibs hating dick.

[Fenriz]

In my opinion, one of the advantages of 'alternative football media' is that pundits don't need to deign to hide their allegiances and potential bias. Far preferable to the likes of James Traynor pretending that he's an Airdie fan! So long as there are contributions from a variety of fans and viewpoints, I really don't see how people can find things like this so upsetting.

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So long as there are contributions from a variety of fans and viewpoints, I really don't see how people can find things like this so upsetting.

Agreed - I think what annoys some of us (and I am just having a grumpy night) is that this is the journalistic equivalent of dodgy penalties 'evening themselves out over the season'.

I dont think we get a fair crack, and it pisses me off. I must have missed the shows where they openly love hibs and state how awful it is that we didnt make it back to the top league (sarcasm alert).

Any journos with hibs leanings (kenny miller - the sun for example) just do their job professionally, and sometimes in the face of rubbish spouted by ********s like that ewen murray off the guardian who sneers about hibs at any opportunity.

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So, ask your mate "the boss" if/when he is going to do a piece asking difficult questions of Budge - I.e. if they are going to pay back the businesses they stiffed pre administration?

This erse thinks its fine to poke fun solely at our club? I'm sure he's another "reasonable jambo" who still gives it the big 5-1 even though that team was paid for with other peoples cash.

So, sorry - your reply is reasonable, but Fowlers journalism is in no way professional or balanced. Perhaps he should just piss off to Sportsound like every other hibs hating dick.

Wow! Glad you said your grumpy as that got aggressive fast! I thought the issue was with Gary, not Craig? I know Craig and I imagine the 'smirk' was more to do with knowing how folk would react to Gary's 'bottling' claim.

In terms of the Terrace, Craig certainly does not only 'poke fun at Hibs', I can assure that claim is without foundation. We take the piss out of all clubs when they deserve it. The pod is made up of 3 Hearts fans, 2 Hibs fans, a Killie fan, a Dundee fan, Raith fan, a Gers fan and occasionally a Stenny fan. Hearts in the past got dogs abuse from all of us as frankly, they were a joke. A whole pod was dedicated to the nonsense of the Vlad era.

We we wrote a series of blogs at the time for instance, one from a Hibs fan view point, a neutral and a Jambo. Craig certainly is not a 'Hibs hating dick' He always looks at Hibs objectively and is a huge fan of Stubbs and the work LD is doing. He dislikes Hibs in the healthy football rivalry way but like myself reserves hate for things outside of football. It's entertainment football and has pantomime villain players and clubs. All clubs have dick head fans man.

On the pod we try and and stay out of financial and off field matters and stick to what's going on, on the pitch. Like all of us Craig dislikes how companies how any big business can fold and in the process shaft many small businesses but unfortunately that happens. As far as I'm aware There is no duristiction on Budge having to pays the former incumbents debts. As commendable as that would be. I agree the media concentrated largely on how Hearts have regrouped rather than what Vlad done to the club and many businesses. Budge is a business woman who is running a business correctly and within the law.

It is frustrating they are able to lord their relative success over us due to Vlad writing cheques that no one could cash but it's done, move on, don't be bitter about it.

Our time will come and it will be all the sweeter doing it like a proper, community football club.

[mattyjacklegend]

Furthermore, why would we do a show on either the hangout or the pod bemoaning Hibs not going up? That wouldn't be balanced. Just how we don't buy in to the claim it's important for Gers to go up for the league. Who ever goes up or down is cool with us and ultimately deserves it. Hamilton for instance were much better football wise than Hibs have been in recent years and that's all that matters to the league.

We we have had many a love in on the pod for Hibs this season. The last derby and 4 nil for instance. I feel you need to check out more of Fowler's work and the pod in general before making such holistic claims IMO.

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Wow! Glad you said your grumpy as that got aggressive fast! I thought the issue was with Gary, not Craig? I know Craig and I imagine the 'smirk' was more to do with knowing how folk would react to Gary's 'bottling' claim.

In terms of the Terrace, Craig certainly does not only 'poke fun at Hibs', I can assure that claim is without foundation. We take the piss out of all clubs when they deserve it. The pod is made up of 3 Hearts fans, 2 Hibs fans, a Killie fan, a Dundee fan, Raith fan, a Gers fan and occasionally a Stenny fan. Hearts in the past got dogs abuse from all of us as frankly, they were a joke. A whole pod was dedicated to the nonsense of the Vlad era.

We we wrote a series of blogs at the time for instance, one from a Hibs fan view point, a neutral and a Jambo. Craig certainly is not a 'Hibs hating dick' He always looks at Hibs objectively and is a huge fan of Stubbs and the work LD is doing. He dislikes Hibs in the healthy football rivalry way but like myself reserves hate for things outside of football. It's entertainment football and has pantomime villain players and clubs. All clubs have dick head fans man.

On the pod we try and and stay out of financial and off field matters and stick to what's going on, on the pitch. Like all of us Craig dislikes how companies how any big business can fold and in the process shaft many small businesses but unfortunately that happens. As far as I'm aware There is no duristiction on Budge having to pays the former incumbents debts. As commendable as that would be. I agree the media concentrated largely on how Hearts have regrouped rather than what Vlad done to the club and many businesses. Budge is a business woman who is running a business correctly and within the law.

It is frustrating they are able to lord their relative success over us due to Vlad writing cheques that no one could cash but it's done, move on, don't be bitter about it.

Our time will come and it will be all the sweeter doing it like a proper, community football club.

I can't actually remember which one is Gary and which one is Craig but I think the show needs to be clear what it is trying to do. If it wants to be a bit of a giggle where you listen when you want a bit of banter and argy-bargy - their podcast was fine. If it's purporting to be an informed fans' discussion show then it needs contributors' comments to be more than just thoughtless slagging of one team or other as, if not, it just loses all credibility. Genuine question - which is the podcast trying to be?

[Fenriz]

People's sense of entitlement is unbelievable. Mr Tony Anderson, justify the free product you and your mates are creating in your spare time, immediately!

[DirtyDeeds]

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People's sense of entitlement is unbelievable. Mr Tony Anderson, justify the free product you and your mates are creating in your spare time, immediately!

Couldnt agree more. Astounding how people have the audacity to complain SO passionately, dare I say with touch of hatred in one or two comments, about a product that is entirely devised and produced at no expense to the 'consumer'. YOUR FREE TO AIR PODCAST IS ***** AND I DEMAND BETTER IMMEDIATELY. Alternatively, everyone could listen to www.mondaynightfitba.com instead..... :-D

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Couldnt agree more. Astounding how people have the audacity to complain SO passionately, dare I say with touch of hatred in one or two comments, about a product that is entirely devised and produced at no expense to the 'consumer'. YOUR FREE TO AIR PODCAST IS ***** AND I DEMAND BETTER IMMEDIATELY. Alternatively, everyone could listen to www.mondaynightfitba.com instead..... :-D

In the same way that they are free to produce and distribute their material, I and others are free to slag it off or ignore it. Who cares if it is free??

Its not audacity, its just the way of the world.

Actually I was talking about the the jambos cheating and getting away with it - so there might be a touch of something - not hatred though.

And as for the other guy suggesting I was 'entitled', brilliant, hilarious banter !

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People's sense of entitlement is unbelievable. Mr Tony Anderson, justify the free product you and your mates are creating in your spare time, immediately!

I think you miss the point here a little. If they set up their own podcast without the backing of a major news organisation that would be different. However, the newpaper has allowed them to operate under its banner and this is likely to increase the level of interest from the public as there will be a perception of quality. I also imagine that some participants may be hoping for some professional gain from appearances and that the "backing" of The Scotsman will further facilitate this. So - I don't think it's telling the full story to imply that there's nothing in it for those appearing.

Perhaps you're right though and we should just express our opinion by not watching such things - although I accept mattyjacklegend's point that Gary Cocker was ill-prepared and possibly just made an a*se of it with the normal level of debate being higher.

[TowerHibs]

Far too many people jumping on the band wagon sagging a show that they have never listened to or on the 1 video currently on the scotsman website.

The show has been running for years and for Kato's comment above saying they should be more supportive of Scottish football is laughable and wrong. These guys talk about all scottish football and actively give a voice to all games excluding the old firm. I suggest giving them a listen before saying they are Hibs hating Jambos.

"Owww but the slag the Hibs ken....."

Grow up, they take the micky out everyone and out of every situation.imagine a guy watching a game who is not a hibs fan calling us bottlers.....imagine!!! They are allowed to support other teams and they are allowed to have opinions. Paid or other wise.

We never slate other teams (without knowledge) on here. If people are going to launch personal insults to any of the guys running the Terrace Podcast, i suggest looking through their website for 5/10 minutes and if you can still say they are unbalanced guys who pick on Hibs then you are as deluded as you think they are. They deliberately choose to focus purely what's on the park (not board room) and are refreshingly enthusiastic about every league in Scotland.