Scottish football without the old firm

[Waxy]

Would it be better?

[Geo_1875]

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Would it be better?

Without a doubt.

[Ozyhibby]

It would die in afraid. Your grandkids would support Celtic or Rangers as one of only two scottish teams in the BIG league.
If they go, we all have to go.

[Waxy]

They have a hold over every club in Scotland to the point where it's turning Scottish football into panto.
Spfl and sky will get Rangers up at any cost.

[R'Albin]

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It would die in afraid. Your grandkids would support Celtic or Rangers as one of only two scottish teams in the BIG league.
If they go, we all have to go.

Nonsense.

Edit - unless I've missed the deliberate irony somewhere.

[Biggie]

Scottish football is dying WITH the old firm......

[Jonny1875]

Think the game would suffer in the short-term in terms of money and finance from TV etc. However in the long-term if the league is competitive (something which it clearly lacks) and attendances rise etc then TV companies would be interested, just look at how well BT Sport is covering Scottish football this season.

[Geo_1875]

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It would die in afraid. Your grandkids would support Celtic or Rangers as one of only two scottish teams in the BIG league.
If they go, we all have to go.

I don't think that would happen.

Most lower division English clubs have a loyal support without hope of reaching "the biggest bestest league in the world". True, there are many kids wandering around in a ManU, ManC, Chelsea top but 99% of them will never ever see them play live unless their local team draw them in the cup.

The 10 teams left who would have a chance of winning the league or a cup would see their core support increase over time. The rest would stay the same.

The only difference would be the savings on policing the marauding hordes that accompany every visit from the ugly sisters.

[marinello59]

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Would it be better?

No.
We could never have Scottish Champions again as the best two teams would not be playing in the league. And you certainly don't improve standards by getting rid of the two teams most capable of attracting talented players to our league.

[Diclonius]

Why remove Celtic and Rangers? Just introduce a wage cap and force a level playing field. The OF crowds would drain when they realise the hatred isn't quite as fun without the success.

[Bishop Hibee]

I'm convinced there will be an NFL style Euro League in the future. This will probably include Celtc and possibly Newco. Scottish football will survive fine without them and be more competitive.

[J-C]

Celtic are now a selling club to England, just like we are to them and the gap between us has shortened when you see how close Aberdeen and ICT are with just a few games left to play.

The League would be a far more exciting one with 4-5 clubs all vying for the title instead of either of the 2 ugly sisters. We'd lose our spot in the champons league but the reality is we shouldn't be there even now with Celtic as our champs.

[Pete]

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Why remove Celtic and Rangers? Just introduce a wage cap and force a level playing field. The OF crowds would drain when they realise the hatred isn't quite as fun without the success.

...or sharing gate money.

Too much of a level playing field would be created though. Not good for the big two = forget it.

[Keith_M]

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No.
We could never have Scottish Champions again as the best two teams would not be playing in the league. And you certainly don't improve standards by getting rid of the two teams most capable of attracting talented players to our league.

So who are the current Welsh Champions?

[Iggy Pope]

Not for me.
I don't want any club of any size leaving Scottish Football.

[DarlingtonHibee]

Apart from the epl not wanting them, it is a complete non starter for the Police - that from a chief constable.

[Keith_M]

I think we'd be much better off if Celtc and The Rangers suddenly no longer existed but the sad fact of the matter is that they do, and the majority of Football Fans in Scotland support one or the other.

I can't see them moving anywhere any time soon but it still won't stop them constantly telling everybody how they're too good for Scottish Football and should be playing in England.

[Spike Mandela]

Time for radical change.

I am now firmly of the belief that the best way forward for Scottish footbal clubs is a merger to a British League.

No matter your view on the indyref it is patently ridiculous for one country to have 4 separate football associations/leagues.

[Pete]

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Not for me.
I don't want any club of any size leaving Scottish Football.

Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen etc...should all leave.

We should try for entry into the English system or get people with ideas to run a new Scottish league.

The big Glasgow two and all their baggage can do what they like.

[Hibby Bairn]

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Without a doubt.

Surely there must be some kind of doubt? Pretty big change, no?

[Ozyhibby]

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Why remove Celtic and Rangers? Just introduce a wage cap and force a level playing field. The OF crowds would drain when they realise the hatred isn't quite as fun without the success.

That's what we really need. It amazes me that more people don't see it.

[Geo_1875]

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Surely there must be some kind of doubt? Pretty big change, no?

I have no doubt. A more competitive league and none of their baggage. What's not to like?

[Keith_M]

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That's what we really need. It amazes me that more people don't see it.

Most likely because it would be unenforceable. I'd imagine the first port of call for the Players and Agents would be their Lawyers.

[Geo_1875]

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Most likely because it would be unenforceable. I'd imagine the first port of call for the Players and Agents would be their Lawyers.

It would upset the "big teams" who are happy to recycle other peoples money to stay at the trough. If there was a cap put in place and enforced the players wouldn't have any legal recourse.

[Ozyhibby]

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Most likely because it would be unenforceable. I'd imagine the first port of call for the Players and Agents would be their Lawyers.

It works in leagues all over the world and is totally enforceable. It works in Rugby league in the UK as well.

[Bostonhibby]

I don't think there has ever been a better time than now for all the other clubs to get together and demand a better share of revenue and leverage as much extra rights as they can to make the SPFL more democratic.

I say this because its clear the EPL aint interested in these toxic brands so if the rest seriously lined up a breakaway what would the uglies do? Join the League of Ireland? They could play each other every week for various made up trophies but the TV companies would soon get sick of it. Nae one wants them except, ironically, Scottish football. I think something with more integrity could emerge without the uglies, but is anyone brave enough to truly take the lead and stand up to the establishment? A Budge Dempster combination?

[Dave-O]

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I don't think there has ever been a better time than now for all the other clubs to get together and demand a better share of revenue and leverage as much extra rights as they can to make the SPFL more democratic.

I say this because its clear the EPL aint interested in these toxic brands so if the rest seriously lined up a breakaway what would the uglies do? Join the League of Ireland? They could play each other every week for various made up trophies but the TV companies would soon get sick of it. Nae one wants them except, ironically, Scottish football. I think something with more integrity could emerge without the uglies, but is anyone brave enough to truly take the lead and stand up to the establishment? A Dempster Budge combination?

Fixed that for you.

[Bostonhibby]

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Fixed that for you.

Indeed! What was I thinking

[marinello59]

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So who are the current Welsh Champions?

I really have no idea. It's not Swansea or Cardiff who are the two strongest teams in Wales as they play their fitba elsewhere so it's a meaningless title . As the Scottish title would be without the two strongest teams in the league.

[Canon Hannan]

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I have no doubt. A more competitive league and none of their baggage. What's not to like?

The Old Firm are no more as SEVCO are a new club. I agree the league would be very competitive with Aberdeen, Hibs and Hearts benefitting. Stadiums would fill if we dropped the price and the teams all had the chance of Cup and League trophies. The 3 big clubs mentioned would fill their stadiums while other clubs could enjoy solid away supports from the big 3. Every season would provide the opportunity of a potential new league champion. We have not had this potential at Hibs since the 50s.