Football Fan receives Banning Order for Racial Abuse

[Keith_M]

Football Fan fined and given Banning Order after shouting racist comments at match against PTFC, just over a year ago.


http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.co...buse-1-3735526




I for one am happy that this was taken seriously and would like to see all Fans that making Bigoted or Sectarian comments, no matter which Club they support, given similar banning orders.

[J-C]

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Football Fan fined and given Banning Order after shouting racist comments at match against PTFC, just over a year ago.


http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.co...buse-1-3735526




I for one am happy that this was taken seriously and would like to see all Fans that making Bigoted or Sectarian comments, no matter which Club they support, given similar banning orders.

No need for anything like this in today's society, good to see someone done something about it for a change, just a pity it's tarnished the name of Hibernian FC though.

[Pretty Boy]

Good that action has been taken on this incident, no sympathy for folk who do this kind of thing.

I await the 3500 banning orders that are surely on the way for the Rangers fans who attended ER the other week.

[CockneyRebel]

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Football Fan fined and given Banning Order after shouting racist comments at match against PTFC, just over a year ago.


http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.co...buse-1-3735526




I for one am happy that this was taken seriously and would like to see all Fans that making Bigoted or Sectarian comments, no matter which Club they support, given similar banning orders.

Partick Thistle? What sort of comments does this refer too?

[Hibernia&Alba]

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Good that action has been taken on this incident, no sympathy for folk who do this kind of thing.

I await the 3500 banning orders that are surely on the way for the Rangers fans who attended ER the other week.

Exactly. ALL who are involved in bigoted behaviour on the grounds of race, religion, sexuality, nationality should be made unwelcome, regardless of the team they support. We have a double standard whereby some forms of prejudice are deemed unacceptable, but sectarianism (the biggest problem in Scottish football) is ignored all too often.

[theonlywayisup]

PLEASE read it again. Where does it say he is a Hibs fan?

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Football Fan fined and given Banning Order after shouting racist comments at match against PTFC, just over a year ago.


http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.co...buse-1-3735526




I for one am happy that this was taken seriously and would like to see all Fans that making Bigoted or Sectarian comments, no matter which Club they support, given similar banning orders.

BBC website says he is a Partick thistle fan!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-32145555

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"Speaking following sentencing Stephen Ferguson, Football Liaison Prosecutor for the West of Scotland, said: 'McCormack chose to shout racially offensive comments in a stand busy with families and young people. Police and prosecutors take such offences very seriously and will continue to do all we can to bring those who persist in committing them to justice.'”

Does this imply that if he had been in a stand populated by guys in their 30's and 40's all shouting the same sort of stuff they would have ignored him?

Like they do with the stuff that comes out of our South Stand when certain 'big' teams come to Easter Road?

[NAE NOOKIE]

If he is a Hibby good riddance to bad rubbish ... we don't need or want this kind of crap in our support.

[theonlywayisup]

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If he is a Hibby good riddance to bad rubbish ... we don't need or want this kind of crap in our support.

He is not a Hibs fan, he is a Thistle fan!

[Onceinawhile]

That reporting by the een is horribly misleading. No doubt done on purpose as "Partick thistle fan given ban" wouldn't really make copy in Edinburgh!

[Hibs History]

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PLEASE read it again. Where does it say he is a Hibs fan?



BBC website says he is a Partick thistle fan!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-32145555

Another reason not to read the EEN - online or in print

Jambo colouring book

[Hibernia&Alba]

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Another reason not to read the EEN - online or in print

Jambo colouring book

It's a Hearts fanzine, IMO. Its joy after the cup final from hell was a disgrace.

[NAE NOOKIE]

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He is not a Hibs fan, he is a Thistle fan!

No sign of who he supports in the article ......... the EEN want shooting if the know he isn't a Hibs fan, anybody reading it is going to think Hibs fan, otherwise why print the story ... they should be made to clarify it.

[Judas Iscariot]

I read it on the Jambo comic and it did read like he was a Hibby...

Farce of a "paper"

[emerald green]

The headline on the article on the EEN website says "Edinburgh football fan banned over racial abuse".

It goes on to say "An Edinburgh football fan has been banned from attending matches for 2 years & fined for racist abuse at a Hibs game."

He was arrested at a Partick Thistle v Hibs game at Firhill the article says. From all that I assumed the bloke was a Hibs fan. Why call him an "Edinburgh football fan" otherwise?

[Sir David Gray]

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The headline on the article on the EEN website says "Edinburgh football fan banned over racial abuse".

It goes on to say "An Edinburgh football fan has been banned from attending matches for 2 years & fined for racist abuse at a Hibs game."

He was arrested at a Partick Thistle v Hibs game at Firhill the article says. From all that I assumed the bloke was a Hibs fan. Why call him an "Edinburgh football fan" otherwise?

Partick Thistle fan from Edinburgh?

It's good that this is being taken seriously, it will be good to hear about the banning orders being handed out at Parkhead and Ibrox every other week.

Look forward to reading about that.

[Canongatehibs]

Maryhill man

[Bostonhibby]

Glad he got caught and banned - Hibs are rightly against this sort of stuff too - they should get straight onto Scotlands Finest and request the same sharped eared and eagle eyed officers for the the rangers games in particular - you never know what they might hear if they try.

[Kato]

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Another reason not to read the EEN - online or in print

Jambo colouring book

So many reasons not to buy this rag.

They've just added another one.

[liamh2202]

Tin hat on here but why are people geting hooked up on the rangers one? In my eyes there is a difference abusing someone directly and signing their party songs. Why do people even get upset about some painting on a wall or an orange scarf his auld man gave him... Just my opinion but I've got more things in my life to worry about than that..

[Geo_1875]

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Tin hat on here but why are people geting hooked up on the rangers one? In my eyes there is a difference abusing someone directly and signing their party songs. Why do people even get upset about some painting on a wall or an orange scarf his auld man gave him... Just my opinion but I've got more things in my life to worry about than that..

3,500 people singing a song that is offensive to me and my religion is less odious than 1 man shouting abuse at a player?

[lyonhibs]

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3,500 people singing a song that is offensive to me and my religion is less odious than 1 man shouting abuse at a player?

If you are really, genuinely a practicing Catholic then that's a bit different.

I'd imagine - however . that most of any given football crowd do not actively practice any particular religion as that's the trend in terms of actual weekly participation at Church/Chapel/Kirk/whatever these days and so the Rangers "Party tunes" don't particularly bother me, more make me pity the cretins singing them.


And let's be honest, 3,500 Rangers fans were not aiming their song at you specifically. You could have Rangers playing in a field in East Dumbartonshire against a starting XI comprised of farm animals and these cretins would still sing their songs even if the home attendance was exactly zip.

[Bostonhibby]

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If you are really, genuinely a practicing Catholic then that's a bit different.

I'd imagine - however . that most of any given football crowd do not actively practice any particular religion as that's the trend in terms of actual weekly participation at Church/Chapel/Kirk/whatever these days and so the Rangers "Party tunes" don't particularly bother me, more make me pity the cretins singing them.


And let's be honest, 3,500 Rangers fans were not aiming their song at you specifically. You could have Rangers playing in a field in East Dumbartonshire against a starting XI comprised of farm animals and these cretins would still sing their songs even if the home attendance was exactly zip.

To be honest I can't see the farm animals agreeing to be in the same vicinity - they might agree to put a team up against them on University Challenge where the farm animals would have a definite advantage but their team would have to stick to well known ones like chicken cow and pig otherwise the rangers will feel victimised again if they don't know what the animals are.

[NAE NOOKIE]

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If you are really, genuinely a practicing Catholic then that's a bit different.

I'd imagine - however . that most of any given football crowd do not actively practice any particular religion as that's the trend in terms of actual weekly participation at Church/Chapel/Kirk/whatever these days and so the Rangers "Party tunes" don't particularly bother me, more make me pity the cretins singing them.


And let's be honest, 3,500 Rangers fans were not aiming their song at you specifically. You could have Rangers playing in a field in East Dumbartonshire against a starting XI comprised of farm animals and these cretins would still sing their songs even if the home attendance was exactly zip.

I think the point is that folk should be offended by anything like anti Catholic / Protestant songs, racism, homophobia or whatever. I'm not a Catholic, a member of any ethnic minority or gay for that matter.... but if folk like me don't make clear our disapproval of stuff like that then the idiots who perpetuate it are going to think its ok keep doing it.

[Geo_1875]

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If you are really, genuinely a practicing Catholic then that's a bit different.

I'd imagine - however . that most of any given football crowd do not actively practice any particular religion as that's the trend in terms of actual weekly participation at Church/Chapel/Kirk/whatever these days and so the Rangers "Party tunes" don't particularly bother me, more make me pity the cretins singing them.


And let's be honest, 3,500 Rangers fans were not aiming their song at you specifically. You could have Rangers playing in a field in East Dumbartonshire against a starting XI comprised of farm animals and these cretins would still sing their songs even if the home attendance was exactly zip.

So Sparky singing a song about refugees in a pub with no refugees present shouldn't have been acted upon? It's ok to make disparaging remarks about blacks or gays if there are none in the room? It's easy not to be offended if deep down you hold the same beliefs.

[J-C]

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So Sparky singing a song about refugees in a pub with no refugees present shouldn't have been acted upon? It's ok to make disparaging remarks about blacks or gays if there are none in the room? It's easy not to be offended if deep down you hold the same beliefs.

Rangers signing anti Catholic songs is not racist, seeing as Catholicism is not a race of people, but signing about someone from another country being a refugee is racist as you are decrying his/her race of people.

[Keith_M]

As the OP, and having originally said it was a Hibs Fan, I can only apologise and state in my defence that it's how the article (although not stating it specifically) portrayed him.

It said Edinburgh Football Fan at recent Hibs game against Partick Thistle.


Leaving aside the fact it appears he's not even from Edinburgh after all, you can see from that it's how they were portraying it.




I'm just glad I'm not paranoid....................

[NAE NOOKIE]

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Rangers signing anti Catholic songs is not racist, seeing as Catholicism is not a race of people, but signing about someone from another country being a refugee is racist as you are decrying his/her race of people.

I think the refugee song is stupid. But the Czechs aren't a race and neither are refugees, so how it equates to racism is beyond me.

[Keith_M]

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I think the refugee song is stupid. But the Czechs aren't a race and neither are refugees, so how it equates to racism is beyond me.

I think the word 'racism' is used in a wider context than its original meaning, now referring to nationality as well. I think this is fair enough as it's just as offensive.


Also, if you want to be really pedantic about it, Czechs are mostly of Slavic origin as opposed to our mixed Celtic, Norse & Germanic origins, so you could actually apply the original meaning of 'race' in this instance as well.

[J-C]

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I think the refugee song is stupid. But the Czechs aren't a race and neither are refugees, so how it equates to racism is beyond me.

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