Who from midfield misses out?

[hibee-boys]

Much of our strength this season come from a dynamic midfield, supported by full backs over lapping, creating opportunities out wide. I think Stubbs, with the loss of Cummings, felt obliged to shoehorn his favourite 4 into midfield but clearly this didn't work. 3-5-2 is the way to go but who misses out?

[Andy74]

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Much of our strength this season come from a dynamic midfield, supported by full backs over lapping, creating opportunities out wide. I think Stubbs, with the loss of Cummings, felt obliged to shoehorn his favourite 4 into midfield but clearly this didn't work. 3-5-2 is the way to go but who misses out?

Eh? That midfield four have been pretty successful. I don't really get your point about feeling obliged to play a team that has worked quite well.

[J-C]

After today I'd lose Robertson as Fyvie is easily capable of playing the deeper defensive midfield role, McGeouch showed once again he can tackle, pass and drive forward and Allan although not playing great this past few weeks is still our best midfielder. I thought Robertson today was extremely poor, gave the ball away a lot and seemed to do his headless chicken act again, if we do go up then I feel Robertson isn't really good enough to be playing top league anymore, we have to start looking forward as a club.

[J-C]

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Eh? That midfield four have been pretty successful. I don't really get your point about feeling obliged to play a team that has worked quite well.

He's talking about going 3-5-2, which means only room for 3 and not 4 midfielders.

[Hermit Crab]

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After today I'd lose Robertson as Fyvie is easily capable of playing the deeper defensive midfield role, McGeouch showed once again he can tackle, pass and drive forward and Allan although not playing great this past few weeks is still our best midfielder. I thought Robertson today was extremely poor, gave the ball away a lot and seemed to do his headless chicken act again, if we do go up then I feel Robertson isn't really good enough to be playing top league anymore, we have to start looking forward as a club.

No way. After he went off I thought we got worse!

[Andy74]

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After today I'd lose Robertson as Fyvie is easily capable of playing the deeper defensive midfield role, McGeouch showed once again he can tackle, pass and drive forward and Allan although not playing great this past few weeks is still our best midfielder. I thought Robertson today was extremely poor, gave the ball away a lot and seemed to do his headless chicken act again, if we do go up then I feel Robertson isn't really good enough to be playing top league anymore, we have to start looking forward as a club.

Madness. Robertson has been excellent and key to how we've been playing.

I will leave you all to it though.

[J-C]

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No way. After he went off I thought we got worse!

Opinions eh

[Eyrie]

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He's talking about going 3-5-2, which means only room for 3 and not 4 midfielders.

I think that's the point that Andy74 is making - why change from a midfield diamond that has worked better for us than 352?

[hibee-boys]

It's all when and good playing 4-4-2 against the lesser teams of the championship, who play 1 up front, allowing the centre backs to sit with full back pushing on. I think that today was a lesson leant, don't play your best 11 players, play your best players who fit the formation.

[J-C]

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I think that's the point that Andy74 is making - why change from a midfield diamond that has worked better for us than 352?

But it didn't work though did it, we have to look at other ways to play, the diamond is all well and good when we dominate but not against teams like Rangers etc who play in a way that puts pressure on our main players, that's why we have to look at either a 3-5-2 or a 4-2-3-1, then a midfielder loses out. We played a 3-5-2 in the 1st league game at Ibrox and humped them.

[truehibernian]

Nobody should miss out - they should all get the opportunity to make amends next week with an up tempo performance and an all guns blazing show in Kirkcaldy.

I'd be working on shooting all week though - our players rarely seem to want to grasp that nettle and have a bang - Hearts players all over the pitch want a crack at the opposition keeper. Some players have mystified me as to why they have not taken a shot, and then taken shots when it's not on - game intelligence needs to improve in the run in. Goal difference could matter big time.

[lucky]

I thought Robertson was our best player today and was surprised to see him get taken off

[Pretty Boy]

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I thought Robertson was our best player today and was surprised to see him get taken off

Would agree with that.

Thought he was a bit sloppy and off the pace first 5 minutes but came onto a decent game.

Personally I think we need to take a deep breath and calm down after today. It was poor and there were a few poor performance but the formation has served us well for much of the season. I'd expect us to stick with it next week and get a result.

[thebakerboy]

I think that AS was out thought by McCall in that they played 3 5 2 and took our full backs , who are often our best way forward , out of the game by pushing them back . We should have changed when Gray went off and matched up to negate the attacks of Wallace and McGregor. If Boyle had come on then at wing back Wallace would have had to watch him and Watson would have been behind Boyle to cover. At that point it would be difficult to say who would have gone off but I might have been tempted to push McGeoch up and take Djedje off. It was definitely a mistake to stay at 4 4 2 because Wallace took Watson apart after half time.All this is in MVHO only.

[hibee-boys]

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Would agree with that.

Thought he was a bit sloppy and off the pace first 5 minutes but came onto a decent game.

Personally I think we need to take a deep breath and calm down after today. It was poor and there were a few poor performance but the formation has served us well for much of the season. I'd expect us to stick with it next week and get a result.

I think the formation works well against the majority of championship teams but when it comes to play off games, semi-finals and god willing another cup final, we'll have to have a plan B. If we play a flat back 4 and a diamond midfield against Celtic they'll murder us!

[Pretty Boy]

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I think the formation works well against the majority of championship teams but when it comes to play off games, semi-finals and god willing another cup final, we'll have to have a plan B. If we play a flat back 4 and a diamond midfield against Celtic they'll murder us!

Don't disagree but we have mixed it up in the past. A couple of weeks back v Livi and at Ibrox spring to mind.

Today was a mistake by Stubbs, I'm sure he'll know that, but it's not the time for a major panic imo.

[Heedersnvolleys]

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After today I'd lose Robertson as Fyvie is easily capable of playing the deeper defensive midfield role, McGeouch showed once again he can tackle, pass and drive forward and Allan although not playing great this past few weeks is still our best midfielder. I thought Robertson today was extremely poor, gave the ball away a lot and seemed to do his headless chicken act again, if we do go up then I feel Robertson isn't really good enough to be playing top league anymore, we have to start looking forward as a club.

You were not watching the same game as me today, I agre Fyvie played well also but was really suprised when Robertson was replaced, I thought Dylan was poor today. As for wonder boy Allan not at the races today!

[marinello59]

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You were not watching the same game as me today, I agre Fyvie played well also but was really suprised when Robertson was replaced, I thought Dylan was poor today. As for wonder boy Allan not at the races today!

I thought Robertson played well too in the role he was given but felt he had to be sacrificed for Stanton to give us a bit more of an attacking threat.

[J-C]

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You were not watching the same game as me today, I agre Fyvie played well also but was really suprised when Robertson was replaced, I thought Dylan was poor today. As for wonder boy Allan not at the races today!

I was answering the question if we went to 3-5-2 it only alows for 3 midfielders and at the moment I feel the other 3 are ahead of him if they went with that formation.

[Hermit Crab]

Slightly off topic but does Scott Allan's booking today earn him a suspension? Is that 6 yellows for him?

[J-C]

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Slightly off topic but does Scott Allan's booking today earn him a suspension? Is that 6 yellows for him?

I think in another thread someone mentioned he may be suspended, probably do him the world of good as he's not been great recently.

[Heedersnvolleys]

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I was answering the question if we went to 3-5-2 it only alows for 3 midfielders and at the moment I feel the other 3 are ahead of him if they went with that formation.

Ah sorry but I still feel Robertson is required as he is the best we have at the moment at sitting in front of our defenders.

[Hermit Crab]

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I think in another thread someone mentioned he may be suspended, probably do him the world of good as he's not been great recently.

So that would be the QOS game then.

[Tyler Durden]

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But it didn't work though did it, we have to look at other ways to play, the diamond is all well and good when we dominate but not against teams like Rangers etc who play in a way that puts pressure on our main players, that's why we have to look at either a 3-5-2 or a 4-2-3-1, then a midfielder loses out. We played a 3-5-2 in the 1st league game at Ibrox and humped them.

And we played the 442 diamond at easter road at humped them 4-0. Plus 2 games against Hearts we dominated and LC game vs Dundee Utd.

Formation was not the problem today, bad day at office for too many players

[J-C]

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And we played the 442 diamond at easter road at humped them 4-0. Plus 2 games against Hearts we dominated and LC game vs Dundee Utd.

Formation was not the problem today, bad day at office for too many players

We were playing a **** Rangers managed by a **** manager, McCall knows the game and set up his team to counter the diamond, we didn't change it when it wasn't working.

[cmcd]

In my humble opinion Hibs are more effective with than without Robertson He was one of our better players today and ran his socks of for the team As has been said it was a bad day at the office but we are still in with a shout ref promotion

[Eyrie]

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We were playing a **** Rangers managed by a **** manager, McCall knows the game and set up his team to counter the diamond, we didn't change it when it wasn't working.

Gray going off injured at half time made any change to the formation problematic because we'd have had to use two of our substitutes. We struggled with 352 at Ibrox so sticking with the 442 diamond for this game made sense.

What hurt us was too many players having an off day at the same time, including both strikers.

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

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After today I'd lose Robertson as Fyvie is easily capable of playing the deeper defensive midfield role, McGeouch showed once again he can tackle, pass and drive forward and Allan although not playing great this past few weeks is still our best midfielder. I thought Robertson today was extremely poor, gave the ball away a lot and seemed to do his headless chicken act again, if we do go up then I feel Robertson isn't really good enough to be playing top league anymore, we have to start looking forward as a club.

Robertson was our best player today. The only reason he was subbed was because he is the most defensive of the four midfielders and we were chasing an equaliser

[J-C]

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Gray going off injured at half time made any change to the formation problematic because we'd have had to use two of our substitutes. We struggled with 352 at Ibrox so sticking with the 442 diamond for this game made sense.

What hurt us was too many players having an off day at the same time, including both strikers.

Yet in that game we beat them 3-1, tea a real struggle that was, the next away game there we won 2-0 playing with the diamond, common denominator is Rangers crap management both bames, now they have McCall who set them up properly to play against us.

[J-C]

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Robertson was our best player today. The only reason he was subbed was because he is the most defensive of the four midfielders and we were chasing an equaliser

Again please look at the OP I was answering, not who is the best but which player from midfield would be left out if we play 3-5-2.