Has anybody found an IFA in Edinburgh willing to undertake a suitability assessment for investment in the share issue. I've spoken to a couple who indicated that they couldn't consider doing the work for anyone investing less than £10,000 at a cost of between 3-5%. Seems harsh that small individual investors are being disadvantaged in this way.
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Thread: The Share Issue and IFA's
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02-02-2015 08:35 AM #1
The Share Issue and IFA's
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02-02-2015 08:54 AM #2
Wow, that does seem expensive. I've actually moved from buying shares as an individual to throwing my lot in with HSL. For me there's a real strength in sticking together with my fellow fans and nobody outside of Hibs will be getting the benefit of my dosh.
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02-02-2015 01:12 PM #3
Could somebody explain please what an IFA is and what the ins & outs of it are. A few fans I know were going to buy shares as individuals but have been scared off by this IFA thing and are now not going to bother 'investing' at all.
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02-02-2015 01:19 PM #4This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It's not my shout obviously, but if these fans were going to buy shares in the club, why not invest through HSL rather than not invest at all? This is NOT financial advice! Just an observation from me.
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02-02-2015 01:22 PM #5
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That would take them some time and they would face a liability if the advice was not suitable. In every investment transaction there has to be a file with an audit trail which can be checked. I really wish there was a shortcut but afraid it is the rules.
It is a joke for what is an emotional investment but the rules are there to protect the normal guy in the street for investing in the next great thing which is too good to be true.
I am an IFA but having stood for the board do not believe I could be seen to give impartial advice.
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02-02-2015 01:57 PM #6This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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BTW, thanks to you both for the info provided already.
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02-02-2015 02:27 PM #7This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
You say there isn't anything wrong with HSL but you have doubts. Bit of a contradiction going on, no? I'm not trying to be nippy BTW, just genuinely concerned as you seem to have a willingness to contribute but have a greater willingness not to!
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02-02-2015 03:00 PM #8This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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I do not expect to have any influence at a A.G.M. as an individual but then neither do I expect H.S.L. limited will either.
You do not have to go through an I.F.A. if you sign a waiver but the Club will not offer that option.
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02-02-2015 03:02 PM #9This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I'd like to know why too
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02-02-2015 03:14 PM #10This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Sorry fee !
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Last edited by marinello59; 02-02-2015 at 03:18 PM.
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He'll die before he's sold.
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Last edited by greenlex; 02-02-2015 at 05:38 PM.
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02-02-2015 04:38 PM #17
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I haven't seen it mentioned elsewhere, but apologies if it has been covered - what is the situation with foreign investors? Do I need to go through an IFA if I'm in the US? To be honest, I'm not sure if purchasing my top puts me on the database or not, but if I am, will they send a letter out to my US address?
Maybe I'll shoot the club an e-mail, but was hoping someone here might have already broached the subject with them.
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02-02-2015 05:58 PM #19
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Perhaps an idea to put most of money into HSL and then try to buy a smaller number of shares from Hibs to hold yourself.INcidentally if you invest through HSL I wonder if (just like existing shareholders)this is enough to do without the need for the IFA route.
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02-02-2015 06:12 PM #24
IFA's are a scam. 90% of them know nothing about finance. Better sticking with HSL.
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02-02-2015 06:56 PM #26
Presumably anyone with an existing IFA won't have to undergo the detailed assessment as the IFA will already have the information so the fee would be comparatively small.
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02-02-2015 07:21 PM #27This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
You may not be impartial just as any Hibs fan thinking of investing would not be impartial either hence the broad acceptance this is an emotional investment. The FCA are a principles based regulator and if it is OK for say a promoter to flog say shares in dead horse just because the buyer says 'its ok I can confirm I am not investing more that 10% of my net assets in this dead horse and I'm not risking the house, the pension or my life assurance to do it' then that principles based approach should not worry if an IFA's suitability assessment was a simple tick box one covering the same confirmation of net spend and emotional attachment.
I really don't think the FCA would be concerned but appreciate that like those advising Hibs on the share issue that IFAs would be a bit reticent to take an approach that to most is simply common sense. The result is that this share offering is getting the FCA's help in making a dream of owning a share in Hibs really non-readily realisable and will be less successful than it could have been because of it.
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02-02-2015 08:07 PM #28This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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02-02-2015 08:19 PM #29
As an existing shareholder, I can buy shares without going through an IFA.
If I buy shares on behalf of somebody else e.g. mate gives e £500 to buy shares for him in the knowledge it will be in my name, can I later transfer these shares to him without going through an IFA anf if so, how would I go about doing that.
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02-02-2015 10:34 PM #30
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