#allisbarry at it again - Yams accounts

[Lucius Apuleius]

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Yeah, there were changes. Because half the services that required moving were not listed on the survey the council commissioned.

Berger could not be expected to cover the cost of of additional work not in the original contract. The reason the work was not included is something for the inquiry to discover. My monies on deliberate omission , but the inquiry will fudge it .

Totally agree. Berger were not at fault and their efficiency is not in question. They are masters at finding loopholes that require change orders. Poor contract writing by the council as far as I can see.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Totally agree. Berger were not at fault and their efficiency is not in question. They are masters at finding loopholes that require change orders. Poor contract writing by the council as far as I can see.

Isn't it often the way that, when public bodies are dealing with private concerns, their lack of commercial nous lets them down? IMO, for the trams, read "the Millennium Dome" or "Holyrood." One might also add the Statutory Repairs nonsense to that list.

[Lucius Apuleius]

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Isn't it often the way that, when public bodies are dealing with private concerns, their lack of commercial nous lets them down? IMO, for the trams, read "the Millennium Dome" or "Holyrood." One might also add the Statutory Repairs nonsense to that list.

Absolutely. The question has to be asked why though.Should they not have specialists look at a job before writing a contract and then again to make sure everything that needs doing is included. It ids a huge dose of incompetence to me if the council never thought of including moving the utilities when writing the contract and scope of work.

[greenginger]

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Absolutely. The question has to be asked why though.Should they not have specialists look at a job before writing a contract and then again to make sure everything that needs doing is included. It ids a huge dose of incompetence to me if the council never thought of including moving the utilities when writing the contract and scope of work.

If the total cost of moving the utilities had been budgeted from the start ,the project would never have got funding in the first place.

The Council knew this, so proceeded with a half-cocked scheme that they knew could not be abandoned once it was underway.

[greenginger]

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Isn't it often the way that, when public bodies are dealing with private concerns, their lack of commercial nous lets them down? IMO, for the trams, read "the Millennium Dome" or "Holyrood." One might also add the Statutory Repairs nonsense to that list.

You can add Hampden Park to that list. That dump cost the same as the Millenium Stadium in Cardiff.

[Lucius Apuleius]

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If the total cost of moving the utilities had been budgeted from the start ,the project would never have got funding in the first place.

The Council knew this, so proceeded with a half-cocked scheme that they knew could not be abandoned once it was underway.

If true then the council deserve everything they get.

[silverhibee]

Can you take your tram talk elsewhere please.

This has nowt to do with football and hertz accounts fae Barry the yam man.

[Aldo]

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You can add Hampden Park to that list. That dump cost the same as the Millenium Stadium in Cardiff.

The main stand at at Hampdump cost in the region of £52 million to build whilst the Millennium Stadium in total was in the region of £70 million.

The SFA made a huge error of judgement not bulldozing what the had and starting afresh!!

Embarrassment of a national stadium IMHO!!

[hibees 7062]

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Can you take your tram talk elsewhere please.

This has nowt to do with football and hertz accounts fae Barry the yam man.

Nae need

[tamig]

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The main stand at at Hampdump cost in the region of £52 million to build whilst the Millennium Stadium in total was in the region of £70 million.

The SFA made a huge error of judgement not bulldozing what the had and starting afresh!!

Embarrassment of a national stadium IMHO!!

The whole scheme was lazily planned when they simply decided to concrete the east and west stands behind the goals - retaining the huge track. A big error of judgement by the SFA.

[Bostonhibby]

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Isn't it often the way that, when public bodies are dealing with private concerns, their lack of commercial nous lets them down? IMO, for the trams, read "the Millennium Dome" or "Holyrood." One might also add the Statutory Repairs nonsense to that list.

During my working life............................. YES.

[grunt]

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Isn't it often the way that, when public bodies are dealing with private concerns, their lack of commercial nous lets them down? IMO, for the trams, read "the Millennium Dome" or "Holyrood." One might also add the Statutory Repairs nonsense to that list.

Thought that was fraud. Surely you're not suggesting there was fraud involved wrt the trams and these other contracts??

[CropleyWasGod]

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Thought that was fraud. Surely you're not suggesting there was fraud involved wrt the trams and these other contracts??

Not at all.

I'm just pointing out how things often go pear-shaped when the public sector tries to do business with the private sector. That's what happened with the statutory repairs business.... it was, in theory, a good system, but one that got screwed up by incompetence and, as you say, ultimately fraud.

[ancient hibee]

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The main stand at at Hampdump cost in the region of £52 million to build whilst the Millennium Stadium in total was in the region of £70 million.

The SFA made a huge error of judgement not bulldozing what the had and starting afresh!!

Embarrassment of a national stadium IMHO!!

The SFA had nothing to do with the rebuilding of Hampden-it's owned by Queens Park.

[Thecat23]

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The SFA had nothing to do with the rebuilding of Hampden-it's owned by Queens Park.

I think they did have some input.

"The task of rebuilding Hampden began in 1990 with the formation of the National Stadium Committee, formed with representatives of the Club (Queen’s Park) and the Scottish football authorities. It was charged with examining and addressing the means of drawing together the financial package to rebuild the National Stadium on its current site. At the time, other sites, in out-of-town locations, were identified and proposed by developers and local authorities. None of these schemes proved sustainable. In media debate, the general public and former players regarded Hampden as the spiritual home of football and wanted to retain it as the National Stadium.

The National Stadium Committee set about its task. It drew together £12 million of funding to upgrade the North and East Stands, carry out external landscaping, improve car parking provision and provide hospitality lounges. These elements of work were completed in February 1994 and the Stadium hosted a full international match, Scotland v The Netherlands. Thereafter, the challenge was to complete the outstanding The vision of the new Hampden was emerging; not a replacement of the old but a new structure with facilities to match the aspirations of a new Millennium and future generations of sports participants, spectators, viewers, business and commerce. The story was told; the vision of the venue and its adjacent sites was shared with others. The process of drawing together the funding had started."

[JimBHibees]

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The SFA had nothing to do with the rebuilding of Hampden-it's owned by Queens Park.

How could they afford to build anything?

[hibs0666]

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The main stand at at Hampdump cost in the region of £52 million to build whilst the Millennium Stadium in total was in the region of £70 million.

The SFA made a huge error of judgement not bulldozing what the had and starting afresh!!

Embarrassment of a national stadium IMHO!!

Millennium stadium cost £121 million.