Yogi

[4 Front Teeth]

Great to see how well he is doing - great thread from the ITC fans who all appear to like his progressive style of play.
http://caleythistleonline.com/topic/28850-john-hughes-the-real-deal/
I think Latapy must be a help, I remember reading stories about how he got the team together and created great morale - I think I read he had a pool table at his house and got everyone round to play.

How nice would it be to have a thread on here praising the manager and discussing how this is as good as it gets!
Sadly I believe most managers who do well for even half a season with us will be off like a shot whilst Yogi would have seen it through. A shame we turned against him for what seemed to me to be daft reasons e.g. how he speaks, or how clever he seems to be.

Maybe next year! Come on Stubs and the boys!

[KeithTheHibby]

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Great to see how well he is doing - great thread from the ITC fans who all appear to like his progressive style of play.
http://caleythistleonline.com/topic/28850-john-hughes-the-real-deal/
I think Latapy must be a help, I remember reading stories about how he got the team together and created great morale - I think I read he had a pool table at his house and got everyone round to play.

How nice would it be to have a thread on here praising the manager and discussing how this is as good as it gets!
Sadly I believe most managers who do well for even half a season with us will be off like a shot whilst Yogi would have seen it through. A shame we turned against him for what seemed to me to be daft reasons e.g. how he speaks, or how clever he seems to be.

Maybe next year! Come on Stubs and the boys!

Maybe a bit harsh. Yogi had an excellent first 6 months however we stumbled over the line for a place in Europe. Still a fine season by our standard.
The season after he seemed very limited in having the ability to turn things around, hence the reason he was sacked?

Delighted to see him do so well with Caley.

[Kato]

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A shame we turned against him for what seemed to me to be daft reasons e.g. how he speaks, or how clever he seems to be.

His accent or cleverness was never an issue for me.

His one-dimensional tactics were.

He would most likely still be here if he had had Latapy as his assitant back then.

[Keith_M]

I think it's entirely possible that, like Mixu, Yogi has since improved as a Manager. As others have said, maybe having Latapy as an Assistant is also a big help.

FWIW, I wouldn't imagine that anybody wanted rid of him purely for his accent.

[Andy74]

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Maybe a bit harsh. Yogi had an excellent first 6 months however we stumbled over the line for a place in Europe. Still a fine season by our standard.
The season after he seemed very limited in having the ability to turn things around, hence the reason he was sacked?

Delighted to see him do so well with Caley.

We do turn on people though and assume they are useless rather than trying to understand, support and help push on.

I think, undoubtedly, it is part of the reason we are where we are now.


Hughes had put together a decent team but it wasn't really built for what turned out to be a shocker of a winter and the pitches in the SPL were a disgrace that second half of the season. Bamba went to the ANC, injuries to McBride, Zemmama and Stack. Stokes getting sold from under him latterly. The East Stand got ripped down our home form went with it. Excuses, yes, but also some valid reasons.

A few on her took great delight in having a laugh at him the last couple of years. Nice to see him doing well just now.

[Dashing Bob S]

Wanted it too much as Hibs manager, couldn't step back and take a more reasoned overview, and lost the plot under stress, reverting to adolescent YLT management style, which alienated players.

Has since used the opportunity to take stock, acknowledge his deficiencies, and brought in the complimentary 'good cop' in Russell Latapy. Yogi is no dummy, he's a smart, sharp and passionate man. The stress he was latterly under at Hibs showed people the worst aspect of him, but there are many fine ones, and once again, it sad that circumstances didn't allow us to be beneficiaries of that.

Delighted to see him and Russell doing well and wish them nothing but the best.

[Tom Hart RIP]

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Wanted it too much as Hibs manager, couldn't step back and take a more reasoned overview, and lost the plot under stress, reverting to adolescent YLT management style, which alienated players.

Has since used the opportunity to take stock, acknowledge his deficiencies, and brought in the complimentary 'good cop' in Russell Latapy. Yogi is no dummy, he's a smart, sharp and passionate man. The stress he was latterly under at Hibs showed people the worst aspect of him, but there are many fine ones, and once again, it sad that circumstances didn't allow us to be beneficiaries of that.

Delighted to see him and Russell doing well and wish them nothing but the best.

Agree 100%. I think the fans underestimate the loss of Stokes coupled with the injury to Duffy which left us short up front.
Also the 2-2 draw with Ross County at Easter road in the cup was the turning point but what is often forgotten is that Deek had a good goal wrongly chopped off when we were 2-1 up.
Glad to see him and Russell doing so well though.

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

I'm pleased for Yogi. I do think something strange happens in Inverness when a manager goes up there though. He's having the best period of his career. Craig Brewster done great before getting completely found out, even John Robertson looked like he knew what he was doing. In the real world, he's a chronic coach. Who was the other guy that was a success up there? Patterson? Then we have the piece de resistance, big Terry. Looked like a world beater up there yet he's been an utter abomination of a manager in every other job for 20 years.
Maybe it's the absolute treck other teams have to face to get there that gives them an advantage? Maybe there's something in the water? There's definitely something that brings out the best in managers

[Smartie]

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Wanted it too much as Hibs manager, couldn't step back and take a more reasoned overview, and lost the plot under stress, reverting to adolescent YLT management style, which alienated players.

Has since used the opportunity to take stock, acknowledge his deficiencies, and brought in the complimentary 'good cop' in Russell Latapy. Yogi is no dummy, he's a smart, sharp and passionate man. The stress he was latterly under at Hibs showed people the worst aspect of him, but there are many fine ones, and once again, it sad that circumstances didn't allow us to be beneficiaries of that.

Delighted to see him and Russell doing well and wish them nothing but the best.

Good post, I agree with this 100%.

I think he was hung out to dry over the course of his last transfer window. At the time I tended to blame these catastrophic dealings on the manager, but it was a similar pattern across so many transfer windows that I reckon someone else was more culpable. Losing Stokes and bringing in Duffy and an unfit Trakys was only ever going to have us going one way.

He's moved on and is doing well now, we should do the same.

[Stevie Reid]

Delighted to see him doing so well. There is absolutely no denying that on here at least, he took pretty disgusting abuse from some for the way he spoke - it was very sad. But then, Mixu was also subjected to insults like 'The Fat Finn', and such like. Both their respective tenures warranted a certain level of criticism, and I wasn't sad when either of them left - but both of them are much better off where they are currently, whilst we are miles away from where we were during most of their time here.

Don't get me wrong, Mixu's style (though not results) was mind numbing for a great deal of his only full season (especially in comparison to what went before), and Yogi did seem to have run out of answers towards the end. I think Mixu openly admitted that his time with us made him completely re-evaluate what he wanted to do as a manager, hence that massive change in style when he took over at Killie - I've no doubt that Yogi would have learned from his mistakes also.

There is no guarantee that either would have improved to their current extent had they remained as our manager for longer (especially Mixu, given what I mention above), but I do think that our support (and probably football supporters in general) do write managers off extremely early these days - as soon as things take a downturn, many believe that they will never turn things round again, and any previous doubters start to make claims that they always 'knew' they were a bad manager. Things tend to snowball pretty quickly from there, with message board opinions being extremely influential.

Of course the vast majority of managers can't be defined categorically as 'good' or 'bad' - most will have successes and failures throughout their careers. Sometimes it works out for people at certain clubs, sometimes doing the same things elsewhere ends in dismal failure. Of course, for any manager to develop and improve they will have to learn from their mistakes, which naturally involves making mistakes in the first place - not many supporters are that sympathetic in the modern game though. I don't think Davie Moyes would have survived his second full season at Everton in today's environment - yet the following season they finished 4th, an incredible achievement.

For all the flack that the two of them take, I think the Newcastle situation with Alan Pardew and Mike Ashley is the best example of what can happen when a club sticks with a manager when their level drops well below what they had previously achieved. Not a popular appointment in the first place, he did a great job in his first full season - since then I've lost count of the number of times that it seemed just a matter of when he would be sacked, before he completely turned things round again.

Only two months ago he was a dead man walking, yet six wins in a row sees them in the QF of the league cup, and jump from the relegation places to joint 4th in the EPL (and above many clubs who have spent much more money).

[snooky]

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Great to see how well he is doing - great thread from the ITC fans who all appear to like his progressive style of play.
http://caleythistleonline.com/topic/28850-john-hughes-the-real-deal/
I think Latapy must be a help, I remember reading stories about how he got the team together and created great morale - I think I read he had a pool table at his house and got everyone round to play.

How nice would it be to have a thread on here praising the manager and discussing how this is as good as it gets!
Sadly I believe most managers who do well for even half a season with us will be off like a shot whilst Yogi would have seen it through. A shame we turned against him for what seemed to me to be daft reasons e.g. how he speaks, or how clever he seems to be.

Maybe next year! Come on Stubs and the boys!

Chris Small kens whit's goin' oan.

[jacomo]

Fair assessments on here. The wheels really did seem to come off for Yogi after Stokes was sold, and he wasn't dealing well with the pressure.

I also think he was hung out to dry, and then sacked just before the AGM. Us fans (as a collective) are often impatient and unreasonable, but it wasn't us who sacked him. Had the Board (by which I mean RP) done more to support their manager things might have turned out differently.

[jdships]

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His accent or cleverness was never an issue for me.

His one-dimensional tactics were.

He would most likely still be here if he had had Latapy as his assitant back then.

Agree with your take as did a number of the players on the grounds even if he had a "plan B" he wasn't quite sure when/how to use it
Nice to see him doing well all the same !

" Worrying thing about football management is you are only as good as your last ame"
Joe Mercer

[Sir David Gray]

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Great to see how well he is doing - great thread from the ITC fans who all appear to like his progressive style of play.
http://caleythistleonline.com/topic/28850-john-hughes-the-real-deal/
I think Latapy must be a help, I remember reading stories about how he got the team together and created great morale - I think I read he had a pool table at his house and got everyone round to play.

How nice would it be to have a thread on here praising the manager and discussing how this is as good as it gets!
Sadly I believe most managers who do well for even half a season with us will be off like a shot whilst Yogi would have seen it through. A shame we turned against him for what seemed to me to be daft reasons e.g. how he speaks, or how clever he seems to be.

Maybe next year! Come on Stubs and the boys!

Utter nonsense.

People were calling for him to leave because, at the time of his departure, we had won just 5 of our last 28 matches and we were sitting just one point off the bottom of the table when he left.

[Arch Stanton]

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Good post, I agree with this 100%.

I think he was hung out to dry over the course of his last transfer window. At the time I tended to blame these catastrophic dealings on the manager, but it was a similar pattern across so many transfer windows that I reckon someone else was more culpable. Losing Stokes and bringing in Duffy and an unfit Trakys was only ever going to have us going one way.

He's moved on and is doing well now, we should do the same.

I disagree he was hung out to dry - he had benefitted from a high earnings to turnover ratio which was not sustainable.

Stokes was fundmental to any success he had, but having a brilliant striker getting goals from nothing isn't a good long term strategy.

I never saw any signs of any managerial astuteness when he was at Hibs so he's proving me wrong with what he's doing at ICT and good luck to him.

[greenlex]

He talks a good game but will crash and burn soon enough.

[chinaman]

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Wanted it too much as Hibs manager, couldn't step back and take a more reasoned overview, and lost the plot under stress, reverting to adolescent YLT management style, which alienated players.

Has since used the opportunity to take stock, acknowledge his deficiencies, and brought in the complimentary 'good cop' in Russell Latapy. Yogi is no dummy, he's a smart, sharp and passionate man. The stress he was latterly under at Hibs showed people the worst aspect of him, but there are many fine ones, and once again, it sad that circumstances didn't allow us to be beneficiaries of that.

Delighted to see him and Russell doing well and wish them nothing but the best.

Great post

[emerald green]

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Utter nonsense.

People were calling for him to leave because, at the time of his departure, we had won just 5 of our last 28 matches and we were sitting just one point off the bottom of the table when he left.

That's why Yogi was sacked. A lot of managers would have been sacked before it got as bad as that.

It may not necessarily have all been down to Yogi. Probably not, because that's far too simplistic, but that's the way it is in football management now sadly.

To suggest it had anything to do with his way of speaking is just way off beam IMHO.

[Brizo]

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Utter nonsense.

People were calling for him to leave because, at the time of his departure, we had won just 5 of our last 28 matches and we were sitting just one point off the bottom of the table when he left.

The "he got sacked because of how he spoke" argument is, as the above quote, states nonsense. He got sacked because of his stats and because the fans turned against him for football reasons not elocution reasons.

Id like to believe DBS assessment further up the thread but I heard enough from players and parents of players in Yogis Hibs squad about his man management style to make me have my doubts. The real test for Yogi will be if his team hit a really bad run. If he deals with it by reverting to playground bully mentality it will only end one way. If however he has finally learned his lesson fair play to him.

[basehibby]

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Fair assessments on here. The wheels really did seem to come off for Yogi after Stokes was sold, and he wasn't dealing well with the pressure.

I also think he was hung out to dry, and then sacked just before the AGM. Us fans (as a collective) are often impatient and unreasonable, but it wasn't us who sacked him. Had the Board (by which I mean RP) done more to support their manager things might have turned out differently.

I agree that some of our support can be a bit too impatient at times but ultimately it's not them that make these decisions. I felt that RP/the board were too trigger happy with both Hughes and Mixu who both could have benefited from stronger leadership in the form of backing from above (both verbal and fiscal) for the men they had selected for the hotseat.

Another factor at work here is the shear size of the job at Hibs - it IS a markedly bigger club than the likes of ICT or Killie or Falkirk and comes with a lot more media attention and pressure from the support. Every move and every word is under the microscope and the bar is set higher in terms of what's expected.

As a result it's not uncommon for managers (and players!) to struggle to find their feet whereby they have thrived at smaller clubs where they have maybe had a chance to settle in to their roles without being in the spotlight quite so much. I think that the role of chief executive is crucial in this - managers need some support from somewhere in the club when times are hard and I suspect that RP, excellent administrator though he otherwise may be, has lacked the suitable persona to engender confidence in the managers he has helped to appoint. I'm hopeful that Leanne Dempster will do better in this respect - she certainly comes across as a more approachable personality than the canny tache-meister ever did.

Anyway - back to the OP - delighted for Hughes that he's managed to restore his reputation up at ICT - I did feel he was somewhat hard done by by some fans at ER who seem to expect our managers to be all things to all men and are all too quick to crucify them for any perceived shortcoming. Yogi has grabbed the opportunity with both hands to show us that he's not all daft even if he sometimes sounds it - so good luck to him

[davidw]

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Utter nonsense.

People were calling for him to leave because, at the time of his departure, we had won just 5 of our last 28 matches and we were sitting just one point off the bottom of the table when he left.

Exactly. Well said. He was awful. Nothing to do with the way he spoke or anything else. I remember the old "you don't know what you're doing" chant being sung away at St. Johnstone because, er, he clearly didn't know what he was doing.

(But if we have to mention his speech, it was nothing about HOW he sounded, but his inability to stop talking b*llocks that added fuel to the fire - I remember him laughing and joking with Chick Young (I think) on the radio after the 6-6 capitulation at Motherwell -"great game for the neutral ha ha ha" etc. I was sitting in the car outside Fir Park screaming at the radio in anger - he should have been issuing a grovelling apology, saying how embarrassed he was by it, and instead it was big laughs with his pal Chick).

Utter tube. Delighted he's nowhere near Easter Rd.

[Jonnyboy]

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Wanted it too much as Hibs manager, couldn't step back and take a more reasoned overview, and lost the plot under stress, reverting to adolescent YLT management style, which alienated players.

Has since used the opportunity to take stock, acknowledge his deficiencies, and brought in the complimentary 'good cop' in Russell Latapy. Yogi is no dummy, he's a smart, sharp and passionate man. The stress he was latterly under at Hibs showed people the worst aspect of him, but there are many fine ones, and once again, it sad that circumstances didn't allow us to be beneficiaries of that.

Delighted to see him and Russell doing well and wish them nothing but the best.

Eloquence matched only by your sartorial elegance Bob

[4 Front Teeth]

2 points.

1. It's a bit silly to deny he was bullied on here for his speech and intelligence. I for one was upset by that.

2. Will fans ever learn that not being behind the team is a massive advantage for the opponent. Yogi was massively handicapped by that. I wish we wee above that. The recent Newcastle example is a good one.

[Cameron1875]

Pleased to see him doing well up there

A good hibby.

[Brizo]

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2 points.

1. It's a bit silly to deny he was bullied on here for his speech and intelligence. I for one was upset by that.

2. Will fans ever learn that not being behind the team is a massive advantage for the opponent. Yogi was massively handicapped by that. I wish we wee above that. The recent Newcastle example is a good one.

Id suggest it was more about what he said than how he spoke. He didn't half talk some total drivel. A previous poster has already mentioned his performance after the 6 all game. The phrase "loves his own voice" could have been coined for Yogi and a lot of what he came out with before and after games was just rubbish.

One of the most eloquent articulate people ive ever heard was Mick McGahey and he had the most working class accent going. So for me it was about what Yogi said and not his accent.

Re your second point I saw Yogi slagging off his own players to fans sitting behind the dug outs so if there was any negativity from the stands he did a fair bit to fuel it himself ! That behaviour was a prime example of Yogis boorish bullying management style which caused a lot of dressing room problems, and which no doubt contributed to the dismal run which ended his tenure.

[Thecat23]

I wanted him to leave because we weren't winning games and his attitude towards some of the young players was terrible. His over the top screaming and punching the dugout after a bad pass wasn't what I want from a hibs manager.

You read on here about how we as fans shouldn't be negative towards players, he was one of the worst for it.

Couldn't care less about him or ICT.

[Tyler Durden]

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2 points.

1. It's a bit silly to deny he was bullied on here for his speech and intelligence. I for one was upset by that.

2. Will fans ever learn that not being behind the team is a massive advantage for the opponent. Yogi was massively handicapped by that. I wish we wee above that. The recent Newcastle example is a good one.

Not sure how Newcastle is a good example. Their fans gave Pardew far worse abuse than any Hibs manager has had and the team went out and won 6 games.

Yogi wasted a great opportunity at Hibs, nobody's fault but his own. Started great in terms of recruitment with Stokes, Miller and getting the best out of Wotherspoon and Bamba for example. Then we have his goalie school, the 2 he signed were woeful. Then Hart and De Graff, Trakys, Duffy, Grounds etc

Nothing to do with fans

[Mikeystewart]

I was always under the impression that Stokes was sold due to an 800k minimum release clause, hence why we got him in the first place. Was that another BS rumor or was it the alleged gambling addiction that resulted in The Tash biting Celtic's hand off at 800k to get rid?

[heretoday]

Always struck me as a bit of a bully. Perhaps he's learned to be more subtle.

[oldbutdim]

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I wanted him to leave because we weren't winning games and his attitude towards some of the young players was terrible. His over the top screaming and punching the dugout after a bad pass wasn't what I want from a hibs manager.

You read on here about how we as fans shouldn't be negative towards players, he was one of the worst for it.

Couldn't care less about him or ICT.

My feelings exactly.