Do you trust the people running our club?

[theonlywayisup]

In the Daily Record thread, James Montgomery states that he doesn't trust the 'people' running our club. By that, I think he means the Board and not the Manager.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...easter-4169012

So do you agree? Do you trust them?

[theonlywayisup]

Admins, feel free to merge with the other DR thread.

[Steve20]

Nope. Don't trust them at all.

[Lucius Apuleius]

I trust Ms Dempster to do the right things. Like the majority of people I would be a heck of a lot more trusting if Mr Petrie was gone however I do believe his power base is being eroded and he will not be around much longer.

[Wilson]

I trust them to run the club on the business front. I trust Sir Tom Farmer as an owner to protect the club.

Trusting them not to let us slip below our station would have been foolish - because that is what has happened.

I'm not sure anyone at the club knows how to sustain success once we arrive at it or progress the club beyond those successes. I don't trust in that.

I trust in LD and Stubbs to take us back to the SPL. I just wonder if there was too much to be done to ensure it will be this season...

[Pretty Boy]

I trust Dempster to turn us around long term but it's one hell of a job. Far bigger than any of us, including her imo, initially thought.

As for the rest of the board; don't trust them one bit. Not because I believe any of them to be liars or whatever but because I believe them to incompetent. The mess we are in didn't happen by accident, we ended up in this situation because of a series of bad decision, a lack of leadership and chronic mismanagement over the last few years.

It shocks me that anyone would trust the people that got us here to be part of sorting it out. The equivalent would have been RBS leaving Fred Goodwin in charge.

[Hibbyradge]

Cool how folk are prepared to trust "James Montgomery" when they've never met him, don't know who he is, and don't know if he's even trustworthy.

What's the point of polling people about this? Of course there will be a resounding No. Have you read the messageboard recently?

All reason has been lost and people want blood.

This is just another opportunity to mump and moan and rehearse the same arguments whether they have any basis in reality or not.

It will serve no purpose.

Negative, negative, negative.

Trust me on that.

[ekhibee]

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Cool how folk are prepared to trust "James Montgomery" when they've never met him, don't know who he is, and don't know if he's even trustworthy.

What's the point of polling people about this? Of course there will be a resounding No. Have you read the messageboard recently?

All reason has been lost and people want blood.

This is just another opportunity to mump and moan and rehearse the same arguments whether they have any basis in reality or not.

It will serve no purpose.

Negative, negative, negative.

Trust me on that.

The James Montgomery stuff doesn't make any difference to me at all, I still don't trust them.

[southsider]

Just what have this board done to deserve our trust ? They were in charge when we were relegated from, i would argue, was the worst top league in Scottish football history. Petrie was/is top dog so the bucks stops with him.

[emerald green]

Given where this once proud football club now finds itself languishing, I wouldn't trust them to run a whelk stall never mind a professional football club. We are losing to part-time clubs now.

The board are responsible for running the club and the buck has to stop at the top, and one individual in particular has to accept that responsibility, whether his defenders agree with that or not.

I have to say also that some of the managers in recent years, especially Butcher & Malpas, have been awful. So have the performances and p*** poor attitudes of some of the players who have not been fit to wear the jersey. However, the board are the stewards of the club, and they are the people who made these disastrous appointments.

I am excluding LD and AS from this criticism, as they appear to me at least to be trying their best to turn things around both on and off the pitch. They've both got a big job on their hands clearing up the mess created and left by others.

[Rodsterino]

I still think the buck stops with Petrie, so people can Dempsterise all they want, its a no from me till he goes.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Like what I hear from LD and from meeting her she is highly driven.

As for the rest of the Board, (inc David Forsyth), I don't trust them to run a bath, they were all involved in seasons of mediocrity, did nothing to drive us forward, and we then get relegated. No foresight or direction.

[whiskyhibby]

I trust Leeann and Stubbs

[The Gorf]

I think the stress will get to LD very soon unfortunately. I have no doubt she has a very strong personality but there is only so much you can take.

[silverhibee]

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I trust Dempster to turn us around long term but it's one hell of a job. Far bigger than any of us, including her imo, initially thought.

As for the rest of the board; don't trust them one bit. Not because I believe any of them to be liars or whatever but because I believe them to incompetent. The mess we are in didn't happen by accident, we ended up in this situation because of a series of bad decision, a lack of leadership and chronic mismanagement over the last few years.

It shocks me that anyone would trust the people that got us here to be part of sorting it out. The equivalent would have been RBS leaving Fred Goodwin in charge.

Why was there no shake up in the board at the end of last season, do we really need 9 (is that right) board members for a club in the Championship, it seems the people at the top of the club are untouchable for the state the club is in just now.

[Baldy Foghorn]

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Why was there no shake up in the board at the end of last season, do we really need 9 (is that right) board members for a club in the Championship, it seems the people at the top of the club are untouchable for the state the club is in just now.

LD did say she was currently looking at the make up of our Board....

[Thecat23]

The way I see it we were promised last time we dropped down this would never happen again. We were promised changes as long as 8 years ago.

Since then we have got worse flirted with relegation couple of times then finally dropping out. Us as fans have backed this club to the hilt when called for.

I don't trust this board at all and sooner they all go the better. Last season on here folk that had a go at the board were told give it time. We were told we wouldn't go down either.

I think folk forget this isn't top flight football and we were the worst team in the Prem last season that is unacceptable. If it wasn't for The Rangers and Hearts here the board would have been under more pressure.

I just don't get the ones who still back them after failure, after failure after failure. They don't deliver the proof is where we are sitting.

[Eyrie]

Yes - I trust Dempster to be the right chief executive, based on her track record and the comments of those that have met her.

Too early - I hope that Stubbs is the right manager, based on our early performances compared to last season's disaster.

No - I have little faith in a board who have failed to put the correct structures in place at Hibs, leading to the major overhaul of our operations that is now being belatedly undertaken.

So I'll need three votes please.

[--------]

I have great sympathy for LD and AS - I think they've signed up for a very difficult job - but as long as STF and RP are around the place, I don't think they'll be able to turn things around.

Farmer and Petrie MUST GO.

[Onion]

Trust LD but no one else. Don't get the impression they are acting in good faith when it comes to fans.

[Dashing Bob S]

LD/AS - yes.

RP/STF - it's complicated...

[Sir David Gray]

None of the options available match my opinion so I won't be voting.

I have absolutely no faith in anyone at boardroom level except for Leeann Dempster.

How could you trust anyone who has overseen the demise of our great club over the past four or five years or so?

[Dashing Bob S]

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None of the options available match my opinion so I won't be voting.

I have absolutely no faith in anyone at boardroom level except for Leeann Dempster.

How could you trust anyone who has overseen the demise of our great club over the past four or five years or so?

This.

[BOB MARLEYS DUG]

Nope.

[Forza Fred]

Trust?

Trust them to do what,exactly?

If it is run Hibs as they should be run then LD aside, the answer obviously is a resounding No.

[neil7908]

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Cool how folk are prepared to trust "James Montgomery" when they've never met him, don't know who he is, and don't know if he's even trustworthy.

What's the point of polling people about this? Of course there will be a resounding No. Have you read the messageboard recently?

All reason has been lost and people want blood.

This is just another opportunity to mump and moan and rehearse the same arguments whether they have any basis in reality or not.

It will serve no purpose.

Negative, negative, negative.

Trust me on that.

The bit in bold - I agree some of the stuff has been OTT but I don't think its unreasonable for the fans to want heads to role amongst the decision makers given we've had 7 years of decline culminating in relegation and the increasingly likely scenario of us being a Division 1 side for at least 2 years.

What are the fans supposed to do? Cheer on those who have been charge of a club in terminal decline? They have mismanaged this club so badly its untrue. We were told to expect change this summer and many on here (myself included) were pretty upbeat coming into the summer and prepared to see the positive side of things but so far its been a continuation of the status quo.

Also, I don't think people want blood, they want to see a successful Hibernian football club. If Petrie, Farmer et al can do that then great but recent events say otherwise. And you know what they say about those who don't heed the lessons of history...

[emerald green]

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Cool how folk are prepared to trust "James Montgomery" when they've never met him, don't know who he is, and don't know if he's even trustworthy.

What's the point of polling people about this? Of course there will be a resounding No. Have you read the messageboard recently?

All reason has been lost and people want blood.

This is just another opportunity to mump and moan and rehearse the same arguments whether they have any basis in reality or not.

It will serve no purpose.

Negative, negative, negative.

Trust me on that.

Perhaps it is another opportunity to mump and moan, but justifiably so IMHO, given where the people responsible for the running of our club have led it, i.e. languishing near the bottom of the second tier of Scottish football. Surely it's unrealistic to expect supporters to sit back quietly and say nothing and not express their views?

The purpose it serves is to let people who have supported the club all their lives (young & old) let others know exactly how they are feeling about the current state of affairs at the club. They feel angry and frustrated. Taking part in fans surveys etc just doesn't do it for many of them.

This is after all a forum to talk about Hibs and football in general.

[Hibbyradge]

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Perhaps it is another opportunity to mump and moan, but justifiably so IMHO, given where the people responsible for the running of our club have led it, i.e. languishing near the bottom of the second tier of Scottish football. Surely it's unrealistic to expect supporters to sit back quietly and say nothing and not express their views?

The purpose it serves is to let people who have supported the club all their lives (young & old) let others know exactly how they are feeling about the current state of affairs at the club. They feel angry and frustrated. Taking part in fans surveys etc just doesn't do it for many of them.

This is after all a forum to talk about Hibs and football in general.

I agree with you.

My point is that a poll (which is a survey of sorts) like this carries no weight whatsoever.

The outcome is obvious. Folk "stormed" the recent meeting with fans, there have been demonstrations, banners have been confiscated at matches, hibs.net have called for resignations.

I think there are plenty clues there about trust.

I think there would be more no votes if I posted a poll asking whether folk would like to win a triple rollover in the Euro lottery.

[Hibbyradge]

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The bit in bold - I agree some of the stuff has been OTT but I don't think its unreasonable for the fans to want heads to role amongst the decision makers given we've had 7 years of decline culminating in relegation and the increasingly likely scenario of us being a Division 1 side for at least 2 years.

What are the fans supposed to do? Cheer on those who have been charge of a club in terminal decline? They have mismanaged this club so badly its untrue. We were told to expect change this summer and many on here (myself included) were pretty upbeat coming into the summer and prepared to see the positive side of things but so far its been a continuation of the status quo.

Also, I don't think people want blood, they want to see a successful Hibernian football club. If Petrie, Farmer et al can do that then great but recent events say otherwise. And you know what they say about those who don't heed the lessons of history...

Again, I agree with most of that.

I'd suggest the highlighted part wouldn't find favour amongst the majority on here at least.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Perhaps it is another opportunity to mump and moan, but justifiably so IMHO, given where the people responsible for the running of our club have led it, i.e. languishing near the bottom of the second tier of Scottish football. Surely it's unrealistic to expect supporters to sit back quietly and say nothing and not express their views?

The purpose it serves is to let people who have supported the club all their lives (young & old) let others know exactly how they are feeling about the current state of affairs at the club. They feel angry and frustrated. Taking part in fans surveys etc just doesn't do it for many of them.

This is after all a forum to talk about Hibs and football in general.

I honestly think that some folk don't realise just how bad this is? We have not robbed the taxman, or stole from every small and large business in the country.

We are where we are because of how we have been run over a period of time. And now we are in the 2nd tier of Scottish football, say it again 2nd tier of Scottish football. Those teams that did cheat are now so far ahead of us on the park we will spend at least 2 seasons in the 2nd tier of Scottish football.

Anyone who try's to suggest we won't, is quite clearly deluding themselves, and either cant or wont see just whats unfolding right in front of them.

I personally think we as a club have not protested enough, and when folk were angry enough to stand outside the doors at easter road and protest after another defeat last season, they were ridiculed here. And even after the arranged protest at easter road where the likes of Pat Stanton spoke to those present, the protest was ridiculed on here.

How far must this club sink, before everyone to a man would demand that Petrie left the club, because it makes no difference whatsoever those who say he has no influence at the club, rightly or wrongly its still perceived at times that he does.

And Petrie is the divisive factor in the club, which will never meet in the middle with him there. And once again, look where this great football club is, when you consider the circumstances and how weak the SPL is, we are in the 2nd division of this countries league, and its solely down to the way the club has been run by one man.