Jake Sinclair

[Lago]

Reported in todays Mail on Sunday that Stubbs has agreed loan deal till January. Does this mean the rumours about Lee Griffiths are just that rumours?

[Heisenberg]

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Reported in todays Mail on Sunday that Stubbs has agreed loan deal till January. Does this mean the rumours about Lee Griffiths are just that rumours?

We need two strikers if Farid's injury is as bad as we think.

[Pretty Boy]

A 19 year old who has played 1 senior game is not what we need.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Never heard of him.

[cabbageandribs1875]

we really are the loan kings aren't we :(

[Aldo]

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A 19 year old who has played 1 senior game is not what we need.

Indeed. We have Cummings, Handling and Lewis Allan.

I hope I'm wrong but I think we maybe in for a very frustrating day tomorrow.

[green&left]

Obviously nothing against the lad, but when the **** do we (as in the club/board/management) learn.

[Weir7]

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A 19 year old who has played 1 senior game is not what we need.

We need experienced men. But wages on offt at ER is why we are getting young inexperienced players.

[Iain G]

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We need experienced men. But wages on offt at ER is why we are getting young inexperienced players.

No we need players with pride, and bottle and a desire to win, doesn't matter how old they are

[Smartie]

We need good players, not necessarily experienced ones although that would obviously help.

Allan and Kennedy haven't played much over the past few years but are an improvement on what we had.

If you're good enough, you're old enough. The question here should only be if he is good enough.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

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We need experienced men. But wages on offt at ER is why we are getting young inexperienced players.

There are ways round that though? Paying top ups to teams that still pay the bulk of the majority of the wages? In return their players get first team football and top class facilities?

[JimBHibees]

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No we need players with pride, and bottle and a desire to win, doesn't matter how old they are

Agree couldn't care less what age or where from. A winning attitude and ability allied to some physicality required.

[Bostonhibby]

If true, its just yet another window scrambling about at the last minute to try and solve our immediate messy needs - product of not getting our business done early yet again, we will never learn.

A lot of new well intentioned faces appointed behind the scenes but they are restricted by an institutionalised way of transfer dealing and managing the player spend which still looks the same as when RP was actively involved.

This means that we tend to be coming of the back of the latest poor season and crashing into the next one still try to acquire players, still trying to get the ones we have to fit together and still trying to buy off the previous seasons mess. We then wheel out whoever we have been able to borrow alongside a mix of very new players and players from the prior season most of us know haven't been good enough.

Put this farcical combination against some of the teams who have a settled squad that they have added a few players to early on, and those who have cleared out their non performers early and you have the unprepared against the prepared - we are at best experimenting still and at the same time relying on players the fans don't rate and Stubbs probably wants to shift - they know it and the opposition usually have us worked out.

The 3 league defeats so far were at the hands of teams who were prepared early and had their transfer business done early and in my view they were also able to dictate the game against us at key times because we are leaderless on the pitch and nowhere near hard enough when the pressure is on.

[Iain G]

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If true, its just yet another window scrambling about at the last minute to try and solve our immediate messy needs - product of not getting our business done early yet again, we will never learn.

A lot of new well intentioned faces appointed behind the scenes but they are restricted by an institutionalised way of transfer dealing and managing the player spend which still looks the same as when RP was actively involved.

This means that we tend to be coming of the back of the latest poor season and crashing into the next one still try to acquire players, still trying to get the ones we have to fit together and still trying to buy off the previous seasons mess. We then wheel out whoever we have been able to borrow alongside a mix of very new players and players from the prior season most of us know haven't been good enough.

Put this farcical combination against some of the teams who have a settled squad that they have added a few players to early on, and those who have cleared out their non performers early and you have the unprepared against the prepared - we are at best experimenting still and at the same time relying on players the fans don't rate and Stubbs probably wants to shift - they know it and the opposition usually have us worked out.

The 3 league defeats so far were at the hands of teams who were prepared early and had their transfer business done early and in my view they were also able to dictate the game against us at key times because we are leaderless on the pitch and nowhere near hard enough when the pressure is on.

Alternatively, new manager is finding out about his squad and is taking the whole window to get in what he now knows he needs. I have no doubt we have been working on deals for a while, Fontaine took two weeks from first interest to signing.

If players have a few offers then they will take their time to consider them, it isn't always Hibs fault ya know

[Pretty Boy]

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Alternatively, new manager is finding out about his squad and is taking the whole window to get in what he now knows he needs. I have no doubt we have been working on deals for a while, Fontaine took two weeks from first interest to signing.

If players have a few offers then they will take their time to consider them, it isn't always Hibs fault ya know

And whilst taking all that time (should that not be what pre season us for?) we have fallen 9 and 6 points behind our buggest rivals respectively.

Good plan that.

[Wee Scottie Dug]

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Never heard of him.

Scott Sinclair's wee brother rated very highly at Southampton ..... And they have produced a bucket load of good youngsters - you never know he might be just what we need

I'll reserve judgement (if it's true of course) until I've seen his efforts in a Hibs shirt, if he is as good as Kennedy he will do for me!!

[Forza Fred]

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If true, its just yet another window scrambling about at the last minute to try and solve our immediate messy needs - product of not getting our business done early yet again, we will never learn.

A lot of new well intentioned faces appointed behind the scenes but they are restricted by an institutionalised way of transfer dealing and managing the player spend which still looks the same as when RP was actively involved.

This means that we tend to be coming of the back of the latest poor season and crashing into the next one still try to acquire players, still trying to get the ones we have to fit together and still trying to buy off the previous seasons mess. We then wheel out whoever we have been able to borrow alongside a mix of very new players and players from the prior season most of us know haven't been good enough.

Put this farcical combination against some of the teams who have a settled squad that they have added a few players to early on, and those who have cleared out their non performers early and you have the unprepared against the prepared - we are at best experimenting still and at the same time relying on players the fans don't rate and Stubbs probably wants to shift - they know it and the opposition usually have us worked out.

The 3 league defeats so far were at the hands of teams who were prepared early and had their transfer business done early and in my view they were also able to dictate the game against us at key times because we are leaderless on the pitch and nowhere near hard enough when the pressure is on.

We'll said that man!

I am amazed at our continuing amateurism AFTER the season has started, season after season.

[Bostonhibby]

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Alternatively, new manager is finding out about his squad and is taking the whole window to get in what he now knows he needs. I have no doubt we have been working on deals for a while, Fontaine took two weeks from first interest to signing.

If players have a few offers then they will take their time to consider them, it isn't always Hibs fault ya know

Yep, no problem with any of that, it might even work if we learned the lesson and were able to do all the good things you allude to earlier.

We don't appear to be consistent on the loan strategy if this thread is right though.a run of loans now smacks of panic and poor preparation if loans weren't our plan A.

[Iain G]

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And whilst taking all that time (should that not be what pre season us for?) we have fallend 9 and 6 points behind our buggest rivals respectively.

Good plan that.

Stubbs hasn't really had a full pre-season though has he.

[Smartie]

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If true, its just yet another window scrambling about at the last minute to try and solve our immediate messy needs - product of not getting our business done early yet again, we will never learn.

A lot of new well intentioned faces appointed behind the scenes but they are restricted by an institutionalised way of transfer dealing and managing the player spend which still looks the same as when RP was actively involved.

This means that we tend to be coming of the back of the latest poor season and crashing into the next one still try to acquire players, still trying to get the ones we have to fit together and still trying to buy off the previous seasons mess. We then wheel out whoever we have been able to borrow alongside a mix of very new players and players from the prior season most of us know haven't been good enough.

Put this farcical combination against some of the teams who have a settled squad that they have added a few players to early on, and those who have cleared out their non performers early and you have the unprepared against the prepared - we are at best experimenting still and at the same time relying on players the fans don't rate and Stubbs probably wants to shift - they know it and the opposition usually have us worked out.

The 3 league defeats so far were at the hands of teams who were prepared early and had their transfer business done early and in my view they were also able to dictate the game against us at key times because we are leaderless on the pitch and nowhere near hard enough when the pressure is on.

I would normally agree with you, our transfer business over the past 5 years has been conducted appallingly.

The culmination of that though is this summer. Relegation, a clearout, a managerial change,a new CEO and Petrie taking a step back (allegedly).

This window has been different to any other and every step has had yo be rigorously carried out for the club's long-term good. Unfortunately this has left us woefully underprepared for the start of this season.

I really don't think this is the fault of this regime and is the culmination of successive botched transfer windows previously, therefore this time we need to cut them a bit of slack.

[Pretty Boy]

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Stubbs hasn't really had a full pre-season though has he.

Not blaming Stubbs exclusively.

He's being hung out to dry by the financial restrictions at the club.

[Iain G]

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Not blaming Stubbs exclusively.

He's being hung out to dry by the financial restrictions at the club.

Which he would have thoroughly discussed and agreed at his interview I assume?

[J-C]

The club pre Dempster is to blame for this mess we're in, allowing Butcher to scrap so many before he himself was released, then the time it took for LD to come in and appoint Stubbs, we've fallen behind big time again and are now suffering because of it.

One good thing about this deal if it goea through is he's coming from probably the best youth set up in the country, a team that has produced a good few of the England team at the moment ( Walcott, Ox, Lallana, Shaw, Rodriguez ) and Bale for Wales, anyone coming from there is going to be better than anyone we have at the same age, so a 19yr old from Southampton is better than Handling/Cummings and Allan.

[gegs70]

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Not blaming Stubbs exclusively.

He's being hung out to dry by the financial restrictions at the club.

We will end up with a large amount of loanees again and that just means next season will be about rebuilding the squad again....

[Pretty Boy]

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We will end up with a large amount of loanees again and that just means next season will be about rebuilding the squad again....

Yep.

Our 8th transitional season in a row. God know where we are transitioning to, the 2nd division by the looks of it.

[Bleeds green]

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we really are the loan kings aren't we :(

This could be just to compensate until farid is back fit don't know the guy but maybe he's decent in the air like farid


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[Danderhall Hibs]

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Which he would have thoroughly discussed and agreed at his interview I assume?

You know what assuming does don't you?

[Iain G]

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You know what assuming does don't you?

I guess it amuses?

[Eyrie]

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If true, its just yet another window scrambling about at the last minute to try and solve our immediate messy needs - product of not getting our business done early yet again, we will never learn.

The need for another starting striker has been worked on for the last couple of weeks with the discussions over Griffiths. It's entirely possible that Sinclair has been the alternative if can't agree a deal with Septic.

What has changed overnight and created an immediate messy need is the injury to El Alagui, so we have to look to bring in both Griffiths and his alternative.

As regards not getting business started early enough, that goes back to the decision to leave Butcher in post for Dempster to fire, rather than booting him immediately and letting the applications arrive for Dempster to look through on Day One.

[Bostonhibby]

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The need for another starting striker has been worked on for the last couple of weeks with the discussions over Griffiths. It's entirely possible that Sinclair has been the alternative if can't agree a deal with Septic.

What has changed overnight and created an immediate messy need is the injury to El Alagui, so we have to look to bring in both Griffiths and his alternative.

As regards not getting business started early enough, that goes back to the decision to leave Butcher in post for Dempster to fire, rather than booting him immediately and letting the applications arrive for Dempster to look through on Day One.

I agree re Butcher this time but TBH my point is that was just recent history of the consequences of mismanagement repeating itself.

Have reason to be confident about Leigh coming but makes no difference to my view about how we ser ourselves up pre season and pre window. It is likely to be another loan, quality one but nevertheless.