Champions League: Legia Warsaw ask Celtic for meeting

[Humo]

Possible rematch but there is no way i could see Celtic agreeing to this as home or away they will get beaten by them

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28732601

[easty]

I wouldn't want Hibs to agree to a rematch if it was us. Why would Celtc? Nothing to gain and everything to lose.

[Sylar]

I hate that they're getting a reprieve but this is a matter for UEFA and Celtc should ignore any approach from Legia.

Why would they, from a financial point of view, potentially toss away whatever the income is for reaching the group stage of the Europa/Champions League group stage accordingly?

[SMAXXA]

In the interests of fair play maybe? Probably everything that's wrong with modern day football, the financial benefit for Celtic will rule on this one as that's what things will be based on rather then a perception of integrity and gentlemanly conduct as such.

a simplistic view is they broke the rules so tuff, but looking at the context I think the guy got a couple of minutes and the tie was well and truly over so a view could be that let common sense prevail and play the match again......but it won't.

[Dave-O]

Celtic have just issued a statement, I must say it's very short......





























































BOLT.......

[Sylar]

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In the interests of fair play maybe? Probably everything that's wrong with modern day football, the financial benefit for Celtic will rule on this one as that's what things will be based on rather then a perception of integrity and gentlemanly conduct as such.

a simplistic view is they broke the rules so tuff, but looking at the context I think the guy got a couple of minutes and the tie was well and truly over so a view could be that let common sense prevail and play the match again......but it won't.

Fair play in what sense? Celtc didn't hound UEFA for this decision and it's well within the laws of the game and precedence exists for the punishment. Aye, they've been hammered by a far better team and the 'infraction' they've (Legia) been tossed out for is a joke in my opinion (disproportionate to the crime) but that's not Celtcs problem.

[sh00byd00]

I don't think they should nor would i expect Hibs to agree to such an offer if we were ever in that position. I know the player made no difference to the score, but rules are rules and as soon as you make concessions for one team, then it opens a whole lot of bother in the future. UEFA should be telling Legia that they won't recognise the game if for some bizarre reason Celtic agreed to play the game. It's between Legia and UEFA to sort out, not for Celtic to decide.

The open letter is an embarrassment.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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I don't think they should nor would i expect Hibs to agree to such an offer if we were ever in that position. I know the player made no difference to the score, but rules are rules and as soon as you make concessions for one team, then it opens a whole lot of bother in the future. UEFA should be telling Legia that they won't recognise the game if for some bizarre reason Celtic agreed to play the game. It's between Legia and UEFA to sort out, not for Celtic to decide.

The open letter is an embarrassment.

indeed

[SMAXXA]

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Fair play in what sense? Celtc didn't hound UEFA for this decision and it's well within the laws of the game and precedence exists for the punishment. Aye, they've been hammered by a far better team and the 'infraction' they've (Legia) been tossed out for is a joke in my opinion (disproportionate to the crime) but that's not Celtcs problem.

In the sense that the rules are a bit harsh and the punishment IMO doesn't fit the crime. Any rational person can see in a pure football sense it's very harsh and doesn't fit well with me. Agree celtic didn't hound them but similarly they could have taken a view we lost to the better side and an administrative error shouldn't change that.

i know people won't agree but that's how I see it.

[lyonhibs]

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I don't think they should nor would i expect Hibs to agree to such an offer if we were ever in that position. I know the player made no difference to the score, but rules are rules and as soon as you make concessions for one team, then it opens a whole lot of bother in the future. UEFA should be telling Legia that they won't recognise the game if for some bizarre reason Celtic agreed to play the game. It's between Legia and UEFA to sort out, not for Celtic to decide.

The open letter is an embarrassment.

Yup. As soon as anyone resorts to a cringeworthy open letter to get sympathy, my respect for them goes oot the windae

[Sylar]

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In the sense that the rules are a bit harsh and the punishment IMO doesn't fit the crime. Any rational person can see in a pure football sense it's very harsh and doesn't fit well with me. Agree celtic didn't hound them but similarly they could have taken a view we lost to the better side and an administrative error shouldn't change that.

i know people won't agree but that's how I see it.

Don't get me wrong, I love kicking that lot at any given opportunity but they're doing nothing wrong here IMO.

I agree that the rules are a bit harsh and that the punishment is disproportionate - however, that's UEFA's call and any grievance 'neutrals' have here is with UEFA's rules and their application of them with no recourse to consider on a case by case basis.

I find it particularly galling that financial fair play rules and violations of them are met with a subjective assessment and usually a fine, which is a far greater advantage than a 2 minute appearance by a player who didn't even touch the ball.

[J-C]

i don't think Celtic actually complained about this as they were unaware it had happened, Warsaw put their hands up and admitted their mistake, so why should Cltic even contemplate talking to them, it's in EUFA's hands, let them deal with it.

[GreenLake]

It is a difficult situation which in the letter of the law Celtic appear to be not to blame and quite right to continue through to the next round. However, due to the complete humiliations in the two games by Legia, the honourable thing to do would be to withdraw admitting they are not worthy to take part in the Champions League. If they do play in the next stage, I hope the commentators refer to them as "the poops" rather than "the hoops".

[Hibbyradge]

If Rory McIlroy goes out and beats the course record in the PGA tonight then forgets to sign his card, he'll be disqualified.

Harsh, for sure, but those are the rules.

Same applies for Legia Warsaw.

The person responsible, Legia's manager?, should be sacked for gross incompetence.

[BOB MARLEYS DUG]

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In the interests of fair play maybe? Probably everything that's wrong with modern day football, the financial benefit for Celtic will rule on this one as that's what things will be based on rather then a perception of integrity and gentlemanly conduct as such.

a simplistic view is they broke the rules so tuff, but looking at the context I think the guy got a couple of minutes and the tie was well and truly over so a view could be that let common sense prevail and play the match again......but it won't.

Clear your PM's when you get the chance pal.

[Sir David Gray]

There's no way Celtc will, or should, accept a rematch.

It's up to UEFA to rule on such matters. I personally think Legia have solid grounds for an appeal and it should be taken through the correct channels.

Why would Celtc agree to a rematch against a side that has just beaten them comprehensively twice in the past couple of weeks, when millions of pounds is at stake?

I wouldn't expect any club in Celtc's position to agree to a rematch.

[weecounty hibby]

But this is Celtic we are talking about. You know the ones who are always on the side of fairness, justice etc. Always fighting for lost causes and always against any kind of authority figures. The ones who hate UEFA. Surely they will stand by their Polish brothers in the fight against an unfair ruling no matter that it is the only punishment possible.
No I thought not

[ballengeich]

I don't know whether the UEFA rules allow any discretion on the punishment for this kind of offence. If they do then a smaller punishment should be applied. If not, they should be amended.

Legia did get a slight advantage in the previous round as they were able to choose from 25 players instead of 24, but I doubt whether that was of any significance in their win over St Pat's. Personally I think justice would have been served if Legia had been fined and the player ruled out for another couple of games.

[southern hibby]

As much as it pains me to say this but glad at least one Scottish club has benefitted from a form of cheating ( albeit a mistake ). Most of us on here was dead against Rangers and Hertz getting away with anything. We slated the SFA, the media for not having the backbone to stand up to them.

EUFA has made a decision that shows cheats don't prosper. Maybe now teams will start to understand that if your caught you will pay the consciquencies. GGTTH

[blackpoolhibs]

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As much as it pains me to say this but glad at least one Scottish club has benefitted from a form of cheating ( albeit a mistake ). Most of us on here was dead against Rangers and Hertz getting away with anything. We slated the SFA, the media for not having the backbone to stand up to them.

EUFA has made a decision that shows cheats don't prosper. Maybe now teams will start to understand that if your caught you will pay the consciquencies. GGTTH

I'm dont think LW cheated, they made a dreadful mistake and the punishment does seem extreme, but thats the rules.

[HibbySpurs]

No chance Celtic would play a re-match.

Simply because they would get hosed again, this time with no reprieve from a rules violation....

And if it was Hibs? We wouldnt do it either.

[Keith_M]

Firstly, I think Legia have been gven a totally innapropriate punishment for what was a clerical error and one that they genuinely gained no advantage from. I think a fine might have been a better solution.

However, this is really not Celtc's fault. They played no part in this whatsoever and they also have no power to overturn UEFA's
decision.

Trying to appeal their better nature (I don't believe they have one anyway) serves no useful purpose.

[southern hibby]

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I'm dont think LW cheated, they made a dreadful mistake and the punishment does seem extreme, but thats the rules.

Maybe I never came over the way I meant too, but that was my point it was a mistake and they've been well and truly hammered. However the SFA and our media let both Rangers and hertz away with ( pardon the pun ) daylight robbery. Yes The Rangers ended up I'n pour lowest league but that was because teams I'n the SPL never voted them I'n.

If we had a stronger SFA that actually had a backbone we could have had a league that Scottish fans would be proud of.

GGTTH

[blackpoolhibs]

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Maybe I never came over the way I meant too, but that was my point it was a mistake and they've been well and truly hammered. However the SFA and our media let both Rangers and hertz away with ( pardon the pun ) daylight robbery. Yes The Rangers ended up I'n pour lowest league but that was because teams I'n the SPL never voted them I'n.

If we had a stronger SFA that actually had a backbone we could have had a league that Scottish fans would be proud of.

GGTTH

No problem matey, i agree about our beaks. They do seem to have no balls and dont want to apply rules as they should be applied. The one last year when the hearts player had not served his ban was typical of the cowards who run our game, and dont even start me on sevco.

If you break the rules then you have to take the punishment, and the laws are there for all to see. Celtic have just got very lucky, but its not their fault LW cocked up.

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In the interests of fair play maybe? Probably everything that's wrong with modern day football, the financial benefit for Celtic will rule on this one as that's what things will be based on rather then a perception of integrity and gentlemanly conduct as such.

a simplistic view is they broke the rules so tuff, but looking at the context I think the guy got a couple of minutes and the tie was well and truly over so a view could be that let common sense prevail and play the match again......but it won't.

That view isn't 'simplistic' at all. 'Simplistic' means 'treating complex issues and problems as if they were much simpler than they really are' as in the phrase 'simplistic solutions'.

It means that whoever's proposing those solutions has substantially missed the point of the problem.

The rules make clear just what a club has to do to register players as eligible to play for that club.

For whatever reason, Legia failed to comply with those rules.

The rules state that the penalty for breaking these rules is to have the match awarded to your opponents with a score of 3-0.

Celtic didn't make those rules up. Nor, as far as I can see, did they seek special treatment from UEFA.

Throw out the rule-book and make decisions according to 'common sense'? Aye, right.

What you mean is, we make up the rules as we go along, according to some vague idea of 'sportsmanship' and 'fair play'. That'll end in chaos, confusion, and a lot of very angry people all through the sport of football.

Whether we like it or not, Legia have fouled up big time, and are going to have to take their medicine. The fact that it's Celtic who benefit is neither here nor there, but one thing I can guarantee - if the same thing ever happens to Hibs, the landslide majority view on this forum won't be for us TO GIVE THE OPPOSITION A SECOND CHANCE THEY DON'T DESERVE.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Rules are rules and that is fair. Hopefully UEFA can come up with equally well defined criteria for sectarianism, racism and simulation, with this kind of stringent punishment.

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Rules are rules and that is fair. Hopefully UEFA can come up with equally well defined criteria for sectarianism, racism and simulation, with this kind of stringent punishment.

Indeed.

[GreenLake]

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No problem matey, i agree about our beaks. They do seem to have no balls and dont want to apply rules as they should be applied. The one last year when the hearts player had not served his ban was typical of the cowards who run our game, and dont even start me on sevco.

If you break the rules then you have to take the punishment, and the laws are there for all to see. Celtic have just got very lucky, but its not their fault LW cocked up.

Remember when Paulo Di Canio caught the ball instead of quite legally scoring when the goalkeeper was down injured? He was not playing by the rules but acting at a higher level in the spirit of fair play. Celtic should have caught the ball here.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Remember when Paulo Di Canio caught the ball instead of quite legally scoring when the goalkeeper was down injured? He was not playing by the rules but acting at a higher level in the spirit of fair play. Celtic should have caught the ball here.

No not for me, Paulo Di Canio also pushed the ref over.

[Nutmegged]

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Remember when Paulo Di Canio caught the ball instead of quite legally scoring when the goalkeeper was down injured? He was not playing by the rules but acting at a higher level in the spirit of fair play. Celtic should have caught the ball here.

Do you think Paulo would have stopped the game if the ball wasn't at such an awkward height?

you can't compare a player having a potentially serious injury to Celtic taking the wrap just because Legia didn't follow the rules.

Anyway, whose to say that if this guy was included in the squad vs St Pats that would have allowed him to serve his ban that he wouldn't have taken the a squad place of a guy who had a big impact in the St Pats tie