The Clearout

**Devilstorment** · 26-05-2014 11:58 AM

So lots of rumours about players going, looking like the majority of the squad has been emptied, or been told to find a new club.

Butcher has rightly taken A LOT of stick on here, with the majority calling for him to quit or be fired.

Does this instant reaction go anyway to buying Butcher more time? He has clearly had his mind made up from around New Year who was and was not in his plans. He has acted swiftly and with conviction around making the sweeping/drastic changes that we as a fan base have been asking for.

Or is this just another step in the now annual cycle of rebuild that happens every close season? with a bunch of journeymen brought in to take a wage and "try" to make a difference.

Personally I am interested to see who Butcher brings in, the worst thing has already happened in that we have been relegated. I have to have confidence that Butcher will bring players in capable of playing football he wants played (which I have to believe is not Hoofball).

**~~Hibeesmad~~** · 26-05-2014 12:01 PM

I believe the same players would have left even if we stayed up, I think this was planned by Butcher a long time ago

**Leith Mo** · 26-05-2014 12:02 PM

Have to disagree with the last bit - he's shown us nothing but hoofball is his way and attempting to hold on at home against (albeit) a better team when 1-0 down in the most important game our Club has faced in years is indefensible.

He should have been the first to go. I always he thought he had integrity - he has none and is an utter failure of an appointment.

**The Leith Dutch** · 26-05-2014 12:08 PM

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Does this instant reaction go anyway to buying Butcher more time?

Not for me.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not defending the players as they're clearly part of the reason we're in this mess - but ultimately a good manager should be able to mould a half decent squad of players into an effective footballing side.

Butcher has completely and utterly failed to do that.

Not having the exact staff you want may be a mitigating factor in not achieving stretch goals but it is most certainly not an excuse for the potentially business ruining failure he has overseen. And with a good start I might add.

**~~HKhibby~~** · 26-05-2014 03:32 PM

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So lots of rumours about players going, looking like the majority of the squad has been emptied, or been told to find a new club.

Butcher has rightly taken A LOT of stick on here, with the majority calling for him to quit or be fired.

Does this instant reaction go anyway to buying Butcher more time? He has clearly had his mind made up from around New Year who was and was not in his plans. He has acted swiftly and with conviction around making the sweeping/drastic changes that we as a fan base have been asking for.

Or is this just another step in the now annual cycle of rebuild that happens every close season? with a bunch of journeymen brought in to take a wage and "try" to make a difference.

Personally I am interested to see who Butcher brings in, the worst thing has already happened in that we have been relegated. I have to have confidence that Butcher will bring players in capable of playing football he wants played (which I have to believe is not Hoofball).

Did he not take ICT down as well?,im not sure either way about Butcher now, on one hand i'd like to say stick with him, on the other he produced nothing and has presided over us being relegated, and most managers either resign or are got rid off when this happens!

I supported his appointment at the time in November, but now it just seems all a complete waist of time and resources, as he has done nothing which i am completely surprised at, even if he inhereted a rubbish squad, you would have thought that he might have managed for them to keep us up just!

**Onion** · 26-05-2014 07:38 PM

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I believe the same players would have left even if we stayed up, I think this was planned by Butcher a long time ago

Self fulfilling. The players knew they were going to get emptied so didn't fight for the jersey. I blame Butcher for that. He sucked the life out of the guys and they played like a bunch of doomed individuals. Butcher is ultimately to blame for our relegation and I will never forgive him for that.

The Hibs Family has never been so divided and fragmented. As long as Petrie and Butcher are here, that will prevail.

**Onion** · 26-05-2014 07:43 PM

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Did he not take ICT down as well?,im not sure either way about Butcher now, on one hand i'd like to say stick with him, on the other he produced nothing and has presided over us being relegated, and most managers either resign or are got rid off when this happens!

I supported his appointment at the time in November, but now it just seems all a complete waist of time and resources, as he has done nothing which i am completely surprised at, even if he inhereted a rubbish squad, you would have thought that he might have managed for them to keep us up just!

You're not giving Butcher enough credit here. It took a very special talent to get us relegated from where we were. Given the quality of the opposition, Butchers record is as bad as Duff Jimmy. It is truly horrendous - probably worse than not having a manager at all !

**Sammy7nil** · 26-05-2014 07:45 PM

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Have to disagree with the last bit - he's shown us nothing but hoofball is his way and attempting to hold on at home against (albeit) a better team when 1-0 down in the most important game our Club has faced in years is indefensible.

He should have been the first to go. I always he thought he had integrity - he has none and is an utter failure of an appointment.

Totally agree

**Sammy7nil** · 27-05-2014 07:37 PM

Has anyone heard the ENTIRE 1st team squad have been told to take a pay cut or find a new club?

Will this mean Hanlon, Stevenson, McGivern and Nelson may be going too?

If that is the case I wonde if Butcher Lee-anne and MM are taking a pay cut ?

**Devilstorment** · 27-05-2014 07:57 PM

I have only heard rumblings on hear about the 50% pay cut. I can't see it being the case. %50 is a massive pay cut to expect anyone to take and I doubt, unless pencilled in at point of signing, there is any way that it can be enforced

**Onion** · 27-05-2014 08:08 PM

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I have only heard rumblings on hear about the 50% pay cut. I can't see it being the case. %50 is a massive pay cut to expect anyone to take and I doubt, unless pencilled in at point of signing, there is any way that it can be enforced

Pay peanuts and you get monkeys. If any of these guys are not worth paying current wages, then they are not worth keeping ! Get shot of them all. In fact, close the whole club down for a year so we can clear out Petrie, Butcher and his man team, None of them can be trusted to make ANY decisions that affect Hibs future. We need to stop them Now. Someone PLEASE stop these incompetents from doing any more damage. Enough.

**Sammy7nil** · 27-05-2014 08:14 PM

I would have thought Hanlon would have been the obvious Captain in the 1st divison

not being asked to take a large paycut

**emerald green** · 27-05-2014 08:19 PM

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Not for me.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not defending the players as they're clearly part of the reason we're in this mess - but ultimately a good manager should be able to mould a half decent squad of players into an effective footballing side.

Butcher has completely and utterly failed to do that.

Not having the exact staff you want may be a mitigating factor in not achieving stretch goals but it is most certainly not an excuse for the potentially business ruining failure he has overseen. And with a good start I might add.

This

. I'm very worried Butcher is still Hibs manager. His style of playing the game and footballing philosophy is pre-historic.

I can only presume he was kept on by Petrie for financial reasons only, because he knows f*** all about football. Could turn out to be yet another major blunder. I can only hope it's not.

***147lothian*** · 27-05-2014 08:27 PM

So Leigh wanted to come to Hibs, Wolves have a player who wasn't in their plans so they were willing to let him go, but Hibs and Wolves couldn't agree a fee, if this is the case, its another petrie **** up!

**~~southsider~~** · 27-05-2014 08:49 PM

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So Leigh wanted to come to Hibs, Wolves have a player who wasn't in their plans so they were willing to let him go, but Hibs and Wolves couldn't agree a fee, if this is the case, its another petrie **** up!

Petrie said that LG was not for sale......bull****. Every player in that Wolves team was for sale you only had to pay the right price. There was, and still is, a ONE MILLION interest free loan from Farmer lying unused. Mark my words if we had bought Leigh at the start of the seasn or even Adam Rooney in the last transfer window we would not have been relegated. FACT. Petrie should be dismissed for gross negligence for allowing this to happen. He is like the captain of the poor illfated ship who took a lifeboat whilst his ship sunk.Get him out now.

**OsloHibs** · 27-05-2014 08:52 PM

So, have we no goalkeeper?

**GreenCastle** · 27-05-2014 08:54 PM

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So lots of rumours about players going, looking like the majority of the squad has been emptied, or been told to find a new club.

Butcher has rightly taken A LOT of stick on here, with the majority calling for him to quit or be fired.

Does this instant reaction go anyway to buying Butcher more time? He has clearly had his mind made up from around New Year who was and was not in his plans. He has acted swiftly and with conviction around making the sweeping/drastic changes that we as a fan base have been asking for.

Or is this just another step in the now annual cycle of rebuild that happens every close season? with a bunch of journeymen brought in to take a wage and "try" to make a difference.

Personally I am interested to see who Butcher brings in, the worst thing has already happened in that we have been relegated. I have to have confidence that Butcher will bring players in capable of playing football he wants played (which I have to believe is not Hoofball).

My worry is Butcher is making important decisions right now about players and he shouldn't be in charge of our club still.

If he stays he has to perform a miracle and change his hoofball tactics - something I can't see old school Malpas coaching having observed some of his coaching 1st hand.

Add to that you will be able to see how we will play next season in the first 45mins of preseason - will it be long ball (hoof) or something which is structured and resembles football - if Hamilton can out play us at home then we have major problems.

**magnificent_seven** · 27-05-2014 08:55 PM

I think it would be ridiculous to sack Butcher. He has made a pigs ear of the relegation run in but once he brings his own players in, ones who aren't big time prima donnas and actually want to play for him, he will come good. Guaranteed.

**GreenCastle** · 27-05-2014 08:58 PM

Amazing how Nelson also wasn't first out the door. Would rather have a youngster who can pass the ball then someone who just constantly gives it back to the opposition.

**GreenCastle** · 27-05-2014 08:59 PM

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I think it would be ridiculous to sack Butcher. He has made a pigs ear of the relegation run in but once he brings his own players in, ones who aren't big time prima donnas and actually want to play for him, he will come good. Guaranteed.

He made us worse - how was that even possible? Shocking managemen, player recruitment and tactics that's how.

**Sammy7nil** · 27-05-2014 09:00 PM

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I think it would be ridiculous to sack Butcher. He has made a pigs ear of the relegation run in but once he brings his own players in, ones who aren't big time prima donnas and actually want to play for him, he will come good. Guaranteed.

Phew what a relief thanks for that here was me thinking the guy was a useless tw@t of a manager.

ALL Hibs fans will sleep easier tonight after tour guarantee

**magnificent_seven** · 27-05-2014 09:15 PM

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Phew what a relief thanks for that here was me thinking the guy was a useless tw@t of a manager.

ALL Hibs fans will sleep easier tonight after tour guarantee

Just my opinion, that's what message boards are for right? It was only a matter if time that this club ended up in the state it is just now, regardless of who was the manager. The club needed a kick up the arse. Butcher is hardly daft, he has never flopped at a Scottish club, and has a proven track record of building teams who consistently challenged at the top half of the premier league. That ability doesn't just disappear. It's no coincidence that the squad that got relegated was built by Pat Fenlon. Look how entertaining he teams Butcher had at Motherwell and ICT were. And given time he will bring that here. I just don't see the point in sh**ting the bed and sacking him. The cost implications involved in that can be better used towards new players.

***Itsnoteasy*** · 27-05-2014 09:22 PM

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Did he not take ICT down as well?,im not sure either way about Butcher now, on one hand i'd like to say stick with him, on the other he produced nothing and has presided over us being relegated, and most managers either resign or are got rid off when this happens!

I supported his appointment at the time in November, but now it just seems all a complete waist of time and resources, as he has done nothing which i am completely surprised at, even if he inhereted a rubbish squad, you would have thought that he might have managed for them to keep us up just!

He relegated ICT & Motherwell. Falkirk should have been promoted but never had the stadium criteria so WELL stayed up. At least TB is consistently hopeless.

**skipster7** · 27-05-2014 09:30 PM

Butcher can gtf. Hoofball pish. Simply no coming back from that.
Had 2 months knowing we were in real trouble and somehow shape a win from our many games left. Shameful mis management.

**wills** · 27-05-2014 09:57 PM

Why was Nelson and mcgivern not told to look for another club?

***Dibben*** · 27-05-2014 10:06 PM

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Why was Nelson and mcgivern not told to look for another club?

Think they are still under contract. Negotiations ongoing?

***Greencore*** · 27-05-2014 10:07 PM

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Why was Nelson and mcgivern not told to look for another club?

Nelson and mcgivern are amazing

At f all! They need to leave

***Northernhibee*** · 27-05-2014 10:14 PM

If the rumour on here yesterday about Stevenson being told to find a new club is true I'll be gutted. I'd want us to keep Hanlon, Forster, Robertson, Stevenson, Stanton, Harris and Cummings from the first team but would be particularly disappointed if we were to lose Lewie.