Hearts - Lying down

[Marty-Hibee]

Can't say I've seen this mentioned but apologies if it has, but what's everyone's views of Hearts potentially lying down to the other teams to assist us going down? I know our fate is in our own hands as it stands, but does anyone reckon they would actually do it? I've seen enough guff in the papers from them desperate to bring us down with them that I won't put it past them.

That said, regardless of recent weeks, they are still a pish poor team and will end up gifting the points anyway, but it was just a slight fear that suddenly struck me!

[Steve20]

I could see them doing it, yes. However, we've only got ourselves to blame for being in this situation.

[JeMeSouviens]

How would we know the difference?

[Thecat23]

I bet they do by throwing in all their youngsters for the remaining games until they play us. Oh wait a min.......

[greenpaper55]

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How would we know the difference?

very good, lets hope we don't need them.

[Newry Hibs]

I don't see it myself. In fact they may want to try and catch us (15 points excepted).

[Waxy]

Doubt it. They know Hibs going down makes it much harder for them to get back up.they're daft, but are they that daft?

[Pretty Boy]

I doubt it.

I reckon they will want to finish less than 15 points behind 11th so in years to come they can tell everyone it was the points deduction that sent them down.

[Billy Whizz]

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I doubt it.

I reckon they will want to finish less than 15 points behind 11th so in years to come they can tell everyone it was the points deduction that sent them down.

I agree, and players also get win bonuses, might need a few to see them through the summer, and the uncertainty around their futures

[Diclonius]

They won't lie down. They aren't THAT petty.

[Billy Whizz]

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They won't lie down. They aren't THAT petty.

We need them to beat Ross County next week

[The Sea-gull]

I think there are players in their squad that might not bust a gut as much as they would in other circumstances just as the likes of Deek and Sparky might not if they were playing for us in similar circumstances.

I don't think professional teams can play to lose though. Once they are over the line they may try less harder in some games than others but playing to lose I doubt it. Teams naturally slacken off when they have effectively nothing to play for, sometimes this relaxes them and leads to wins and sometimes goes the other way and leads to defeats.

Hearts management and players will definitely be torn - part of them will want Hibs to go down and see it in their interests to lose their remaining games but they will also want to go down fighting and would love I am sure to make up enough points to finish "above" at least one team (if not more) if you add the 15 points back to their total. They could yet finish "above" us and bizarrely it would be in our interests for them to do this!

[Hermit Crab]

No chance they will lie down. Wins and draws mean prize money does it not?

[The Sea-gull]

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I agree, and players also get win bonuses, might need a few to see them through the summer, and the uncertainty around their futures

Being serious but do teams in admin pay win bonuses? I would have thought taht part of the process may involve the players opting to just get their basic salary. I am sure the players at an admin hit club would rather just get assurances they will get paid their basic on time every week than risk not being paid at all with win bonuses potentially wiping money away from the club, money that could be used to pay their basic salary for longer?

Not that many win bonuses have had to be handed out at Tynecastle (or ER for that matter!) this season!

[Billy Whizz]

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Being serious but do teams in admin pay win bonuses? I would have thought taht part of the process may involve the players opting to just get their basic salary. I am sure the players at an admin hit club would rather just get assurances they will get paid their basic on time every week than risk not being paid at all with win bonuses potentially wiping money away from the club, money that could be used to pay their basic salary for longer?

Not that many win bonuses have had to be handed out at Tynecastle (or ER for that matter!) this season!

You may have a point, but would have thought their contracts would be honoured

[Keith_M]

There is a big difference between going out and putting in a decent shift and busting a gut. I think they've been doing the latter in the last few games, to avoid relegaton as long as possible, but can't see why they would in their remaining matches (except against Hibs). That could lead to them losing practically every match against more motivated opponents, at which point people will accuse them of throwing the games.

I think we need to turn this argument on its head and start asking the Hibs players if they have been throwing games. Maybe they should take a leaf out of the Hearts players book from the last few matches and start busting a gut.

[patlowe]

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I doubt it.

I reckon they will want to finish less than 15 points behind 11th so in years to come they can tell everyone it was the points deduction that sent them down.

Agree with this. I can understand it TBH and I reckon if the season lasted a few weeks longer they would catch us quite comfortably (ignoring the -15).

[leggeto]

No professional football player will play to lose,its only the fans who would want it,plus they'd probably lose anyway while trying their hardest

[Saorsa]

It's a disgrace that we are in a position tae be worrying about what they are or aren't going tae be doing.

[Dashing Bob S]

Makes no odds. If we've put ourselves in a position where those muppets can help to send us to the play-offs by simply demonstrating even less footballing competence than they've done all season, then we thoroughly deserve it.

If we go down it certainly won't be Hearts or anybody else that's to blame.

[Franck Stanton]

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It's a disgrace that we are in a position tae be worrying about what they are or aren't going tae be doing.

Exactly.

[Michael]

Come on, as if the hearts players would be so desperate to see hibs relegated that they'd intentionally damage their own bank balance and reputation. They're still professional footballers!

Plus, for the hearts players that stay on it'll just make it more difficult for them to come back up.

[SurferRosa]

Our fate is in our hands, not Hearts. If we take points from our opponents it wont matter a toss what Hearts do.

[Hibernia Na Eir]

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We need them to beat Ross County next week

a true statement, but how embarrassing.

[Thecat23]

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Our fate is in our hands, not Hearts. If we take points from our opponents it wont matter a toss what Hearts do.

Spot on.

[Judas Iscariot]

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They won't lie down. They aren't THAT petty.

Oh by **** they are

[lapsedhibee]

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Doubt it. They know Hibs going down makes it much harder for them to get back up.they're daft, but are they that daft?

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Come on, as if the hearts players would be so desperate to see hibs relegated that they'd intentionally damage their own bank balance and reputation. They're still professional footballers!

Plus, for the hearts players that stay on it'll just make it more difficult for them to come back up.

Au contraire. It makes it easier for them to come back up as they are virtually guaranteed to take more points off us (for example, 12) than anyone else takes off us.

[Carheenlea]

I have a feeling that we are going to win our next two games against St Mirren and Hearts anyway, so they can try hard, lie down or do whatever they like.

[kaimendhibs]

Had a fartz laughing about the fact they play st. Midden in last game. Easily amused imo


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[Ronniekirk]

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Can't say I've seen this mentioned but apologies if it has, but what's everyone's views of Hearts potentially lying down to the other teams to assist us going down? I know our fate is in our own hands as it stands, but does anyone reckon they would actually do it? I've seen enough guff in the papers from them desperate to bring us down with them that I won't put it past them.

That said, regardless of recent weeks, they are still a pish poor team and will end up gifting the points anyway, but it was just a slight fear that suddenly struck me!

Depends how relegation affects them .they either loose motivation and concentration and loose early goal and struggle or they are freed up to express themselves and want to get as many points as they can to prove a point .They took 7 points out of nine in last three games We took none and that's why we are in position we are in We will know after st mirren game if we continue to be in free fall .
I think these first two games could be our hardest .St midden will have to go for it as a draw is no use ,so can we hit them on the counter attack with pace of Haynes and trickery of Watmore and Stanton .
Teal is back for them and we need to be wary of his pace and guile of Thompson up front Players like McLean McGowan Conner Newton and McGinn if on form can help them but it's whether they handle pressure If they don't we will see if we are up for the fight or not .
Got the makings of a good game