McGivern

[Ozyhibby]

Anyone who watched the Dons second care to offer a defence of McGivern?
He backed off and off before letting him have a free pass into the centre of the box.
Brutal football player.
Can't blame Butcher for that.

[ehf]

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Anyone who watched the Dons second care to offer a defence of McGivern?
He backed off and off before letting him have a free pass into the centre of the box.
Brutal football player.
Can't blame Butcher for that.

Can blame Butcher for playing him, though.

[Hermit Crab]

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Anyone who watched the Dons second care to offer a defence of McGivern?
He backed off and off before letting him have a free pass into the centre of the box.
Brutal football player.
Can't blame Butcher for that.

This Caaaannntt doesnt care about hibs, just wants his rock n roll and bevy. Move him out sharpish. Wage thief. Disgrace to the jersey, add nearly all of the to that as well

[Thecat23]

Hoooooooooooooooffffffff!

[emerald green]

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This Caaaannntt doesnt care about hibs, just wants his rock n roll and bevy. Move him out sharpish. Wage thief. Disgrace to the jersey, add nearly all of the to that as well

Agree this. It's not just McGivern though. As a team, Hibs cant defend properly. Been like that for years now.

[Jonnyboy]

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Anyone who watched the Dons second care to offer a defence of McGivern?
He backed off and off before letting him have a free pass into the centre of the box.
Brutal football player.
Can't blame Butcher for that.

Nope. Indefensible

[truehibernian]

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Hoooooooooooooooffffffff!

Nelson and Forster were no better mate - horrible football, terrible formation, ludicrous midfield - Tom Taiwo literally didn't know whether to defend or attack, Liam Craig was as mobile as a traffic cone and offered nothing.

The team played like a game of fives tonight - rather than take the ball, turn and look up, they played instant one touch - the downfall of that being it was one touch backwards and sideways. Aberdeen's two banks of four were able to easily reform and defend.

Alex didn't once look to take the ball outside which shows me he needs to be played right, on the left he constantly turns in and it's telegraphed - Cairney couldn't beat a man to the bye line unless there was a doughnut waiting for him at the touchline.

None of our 'wide men' want to take men on, commit them and draw defenders out. It becomes condensed and traffic heavy by coming inside all the time.

[Brightside]

also how can a guy who is so tall get beat to almost every header. Lewis out jumps him!

[Jonnyboy]

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Nelson and Forster were no better mate - horrible football, terrible formation, ludicrous midfield - Tom Taiwo literally didn't know whether to defend or attack, Liam Craig was as mobile as a traffic cone and offered nothing.

The team played like a game of fives tonight - rather than take the ball, turn and look up, they played instant one touch - the downfall of that being it was one touch backwards and sideways. Aberdeen's two banks of four were able to easily reform and defend.

Alex didn't once look to take the ball outside which shows me he needs to be played right, on the left he constantly turns in and it's telegraphed - Cairney couldn't beat a man to the bye line unless there was a doughnut waiting for him at the touchline.

None of our 'wide men' want to take men on, commit them and draw defenders out. It becomes condensed and traffic heavy by coming inside all the time.

Cairney should have been hooked at half time and Watmore brought on IMO

[RIP Bestie]

I wanted to see him at centre back. Seen it, he can go now.

[Eyrie]

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Cairney should have been hooked at half time and Watmore brought on IMO

Cummings for Craig as well.

[Jonnyboy]

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Cummings for Craig as well.

Agreed

[Hermit Crab]

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Cairney should have been hooked at half time and Watmore brought on IMO

Watmore should have started, i could not believe he wasn't in the first 11 tonight. Handling shouldn't be anywhere near the first team just now and probably not at all if im honest.

Why not play Watmore wide right and Harris inside right and then have Robertson (when fit) beside him and Thomson beside Robertson. A mixture of pace skill and experience.

[Thecat23]

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I wanted to see him at centre back. Seen it, he can go now.

This.

[Thecat23]

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Nelson and Forster were no better mate - horrible football, terrible formation, ludicrous midfield - Tom Taiwo literally didn't know whether to defend or attack, Liam Craig was as mobile as a traffic cone and offered nothing.

The team played like a game of fives tonight - rather than take the ball, turn and look up, they played instant one touch - the downfall of that being it was one touch backwards and sideways. Aberdeen's two banks of four were able to easily reform and defend.

Alex didn't once look to take the ball outside which shows me he needs to be played right, on the left he constantly turns in and it's telegraphed - Cairney couldn't beat a man to the bye line unless there was a doughnut waiting for him at the touchline.

None of our 'wide men' want to take men on, commit them and draw defenders out. It becomes condensed and traffic heavy by coming inside all the time.

They really were rotten, that team tonight was one of the worst I've seen in a while that's saying something. Never once tested the keeper I don't think?

[Jonnyboy]

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Watmore should have started, i could not believe he wasn't in the first 11 tonight. Handling shouldn't be anywhere near the first team just now and probably not at all if im honest.

Why not play Watmore wide right and Harris inside right and then have Robertson (when fit) beside him and Thomson beside Robertson. A mixture of pace skill and experience.

I thought Watmore offered more in the short time he was on than Cairney did in all the time he had.

In truth I was stunned that the same eleven started the second half

[truehibernian]

First goal, both Nelson and McGivern are drawn to same ball. Had Ryan held position, he'd have been in a position to anticipate the lucky break McGinn got and closed down.

Second goal he stood off and stood off, by not commiting, gave the Aberdeen player two options instead of one.

Said it weeks ago - naming him in the side is as good as being a goal down before a ball is kicked.

Nelson didn't cover himself in glory either (second goal) - deep in his 6 yard box, not throwing himself at the ball. Ball watching and hoofing - that's what his game has fallen to.

[Hermit Crab]

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First goal, both Nelson and McGivern are drawn to same ball. Had Ryan held position, he'd have been in a position to anticipate the lucky break McGinn got and closed down.

Second goal he stood off and stood off, by not commiting, gave the Aberdeen player two options instead of one.

Said it weeks ago - naming him in the side is as good as being a goal down before a ball is kicked.

Nelson didn't cover himself in glory either (second goal) - deep in his 6 yard box, not throwing himself at the ball. Ball watching and hoofing - that's what his game has fallen to.

Said it before, he's a Junior player at best.

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I thought Watmore offered more in the short time he was on than Cairney did in all the time he had.

In truth I was stunned that the same eleven started the second half

He caused probs at tynie and should have started this evening.

[RIP Bestie]

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First goal, both Nelson and McGivern are drawn to same ball. Had Ryan held position, he'd have been in a position to anticipate the lucky break McGinn got and closed down.

Second goal he stood off and stood off, by not commiting, gave the Aberdeen player two options instead of one.

Said it weeks ago - naming him in the side is as good as being a goal down before a ball is kicked.

Nelson didn't cover himself in glory either (second goal) - deep in his 6 yard box, not throwing himself at the ball. Ball watching and hoofing - that's what his game has fallen to.

i have said it time and again McGivern is never a left back. On tonight's showing he will never be a centre half either. He has no positional sense and can't defend. He doesn't look for a pass and just wants to hoof the ball as far as he can. Launch him.

[GreenOnions]

I think Ryan is trying his best but, unfortunately, he's just not good enough for this level of football. We started the season with him, Nelson and Mullen as three of the main defenders in our squad. How on earth can we expect to be top six with that? None of them is anywhere near good enough. This has been obvious about Mullen and Nelson right from the start. McGivern is not quite so poor but not far off.

To be fair to Terry Butcher - it can't be easy to make something out of that.

At least Forster has the excuse of playing in a defence with two of them most weeks - and playing out of position too. He looked good beside Hanlon in the middle last year and I would like to see him given another chance there.

I'd really like to see us keep Hanlon and Forster. McPake will be leaving and, if we can come to an arrangement with Nelson and McGivern, I'd be delighted to see them move on. It's certainly hard to imagine another team paying a fee for either of them.

That would give us the ability to give the two U-19 full-backs a go next season and to bring in two or three better players at the back to compete with Hanlon and Forster.

[zolliehibs]

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I think Ryan is trying his best but, unfortunately, he's just not good enough for this level of football. We started the season with him, Nelson and Mullen as three of the main defenders in our squad. How on earth can we expect to be top six with that? None of them is anywhere near good enough. This has been obvious about Mullen and Nelson right from the start. McGivern is not quite so poor but not far off.

To be fair to Terry Butcher - it can't be easy to make something out of that.

At least Forster has the excuse of playing in a defence with two of them most weeks - and playing out of position too. He looked good beside Hanlon in the middle last year and I would like to see him given another chance there.

I'd really like to see us keep Hanlon and Forster. McPake will be leaving and, if we can come to an arrangement with Nelson and McGivern, I'd be delighted to see them move on. It's certainly hard to imagine another team paying a fee for either of them.

That would give us the ability to give the two U-19 full-backs a go next season and to bring in two or three better players at the back to compete with Hanlon and Forster.

Spot on. They're at the centre of the hoofball and tbh, McGivern's a shadow of the player he was when we signed him as well, doesn't look confident.

[The_Exile]

If McGiverns being told to hoof it up the park though then there's not much he can do. I'd still get rid though, he's got far too many bad habits on the pitch to be a good defender.

[eggbamyasi]

We were really bad :-( I would only keep . Forster , stevenson, stanton and collins from the 11 out there . Mcgivern and nelson were really bad . They were so far from aberdeens forwards it was unreal . The space they gave them !!!! Constantly all game . To the poster who said it was butchers fault for playing him ...... who the hell else is he gonna play ???? Hes taken on a really poor squad of individuals who just cant play as a team at all . He got a boost out of them when he first came in and gradually there poorness has shown . I just pray we get 3 points from somewhere and end this season and get those wasters out of club . The thomson thing too . I like him as a player always have , but if hes not willing to tow the line or doesn't like the managment and is vocal about it he has to go . Look at fergie man u . How many absolute quality players did he get rid of and drop due to similar situations . Managment is exactly that . If someone I hired told me to **** off or similar they wouldnt work for me again . If someone didnt like my managment style thats there problem either they get with the programme or the leave . Happens in most work enviroments especially football . Bottom line for me is we need to scrape 3/4 points some how and get this season done . Start afresh with TB and MM philosophies and a squad of players fully commited to that and we will see massive difference . Tonight was piss poor


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[TRC]

The thing that gets me was when he first came in he looked good. Then after a while he seems to have gone backwards? Like a few others that have come to hibs been ok at the start then declined at a rapid rate. What happens?

[MWHIBBIES]

Taiwo much more to blame, Lewis points at McGinn but Taiwo just jogs back and ignores him.

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Can see it there.

[Aldo]

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Nelson and Forster were no better mate - horrible football, terrible formation, ludicrous midfield - Tom Taiwo literally didn't know whether to defend or attack, Liam Craig was as mobile as a traffic cone and offered nothing. The team played like a game of fives tonight - rather than take the ball, turn and look up, they played instant one touch - the downfall of that being it was one touch backwards and sideways. Aberdeen's two banks of four were able to easily reform and defend. Alex didn't once look to take the ball outside which shows me he needs to be played right, on the left he constantly turns in and it's telegraphed - Cairney couldn't beat a man to the bye line unless there was a doughnut waiting for him at the touchline. None of our 'wide men' want to take men on, commit them and draw defenders out. It becomes condensed and traffic heavy by coming inside all the time.

TH couldn't agree more. Craig is supposed to be the club Capt I would trust him to go and buy a pint of milk. Spineless coward of a player, his attitude and performance is and was truly disgusting.

Collins had been dropped yet came in and at least made an effort and didn't stop until he was taken off. Stanton continually received hospital balls from our cowardly Capt who just didn't give a ****.

Players might not be technically gifted but FFS show a bit of effort.

[3pm]

I actually thought he was better at Centre Half. Not great but better.

I will caveat that by saying I didn't see the build up to the 2nd goal, just the finish.

[Ronniekirk]

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Agree this. It's not just McGivern though. As a team, Hibs cant defend properly. Been like that for years now.

Good news is he is suspended for st midden game but agree with Hanlon out that defence accommodating another change will still leak goals .We knew we didn't have cover so brining in Boateng has been a waste as he isn't good enough so unless he puts Mayburry back in surely black or Baptie have to come in

[Ronniekirk]

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He caused probs at tynie and should have started this evening.

Probably still nursing foot injury so might be saving him for the games we need to win in coming weeks .against the so called weaker teams of which on current form we are the weakest .