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    Team Selection - Tactics for Next Game (Dons)

    I have faith in Butcher to get it right for us in the long term however his team selection and tactics recently are very strange. We do have a rubbish squad but I feel we can put together a good enough 11 to pick up enough points from the remaining games...the problem is that TB keeps leaving our better players out.

    The team vs THEM was awful to say the least. How anyone can think a midfield of midgets is a great idea is beyond me, how Collins started and lasted the 90mins was strange, Handling is also not ready and I really don't want to discuss the defence...

    So, I think the below team should be given a shot. This gives us better balance in defence and going forward also adding some much needed strength and height in midfield! Defence is a hard selection as they seem very poor at the mo and will miss Hanlon big time.

    Williams

    Young right back..Forster....McGivern....Stevenson

    Tudor-Jones......KT

    Watmore/Harris....Craig......Stanton

    Heff


    This midfield would give better stability to the team. TJ can sit in front of our awful defence, pass to KT who can then play in our attacking players. The problem with the midfield against THEM was that it was so easy to get through. Tiawo and Stevenson both give effort but lack the ability to play in midfield IMO. I know Craig has been poor for us but if we play him behind the striker I think he could be good (in his actual position).

    The Heff has to start, Collins is just murder and seems to have 0 composure.

    Thoughts?


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    I have faith in Butcher to get it right for us in the long term however his team selection and tactics recently are very strange. We do have a rubbish squad but I feel we can put together a good enough 11 to pick up enough points from the remaining games...the problem is that TB keeps leaving our better players out.

    The team vs THEM was awful to say the least. How anyone can think a midfield of midgets is a great idea is beyond me, how Collins started and lasted the 90mins was strange, Handling is also not ready and I really don't want to discuss the defence...

    So, I think the below team should be given a shot. This gives us better balance in defence and going forward also adding some much needed strength and height in midfield! Defence is a hard selection as they seem very poor at the mo and will miss Hanlon big time.

    Williams

    Young right back..Forster....McGivern....Stevenson

    Tudor-Jones......KT

    Watmore/Harris....Craig......Stanton

    Heff


    This midfield would give better stability to the team. TJ can sit in front of our awful defence, pass to KT who can then play in our attacking players. The problem with the midfield against THEM was that it was so easy to get through. Tiawo and Stevenson both give effort but lack the ability to play in midfield IMO. I know Craig has been poor for us but if we play him behind the striker I think he could be good (in his actual position).

    The Heff has to start, Collins is just murder and seems to have 0 composure.

    Thoughts?

    ____________Williams

    Black--- Forster--- McGirven--- Baptie

    ____________Thomson

    Watmore ____Stanton _____ Stevenson

    __________Cummings
    __________________Hefferman

    Subs: Murdoch, Handling, Neilson, Harris, Beaton, Cairney, Tawio

    When we have the ball - Black and Baptie would push forward with Thommo slipping in between the two centre halves.

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    I cant see any reason to persist with 4 a the back. We are conceding far too many goals. Considering the lack of chances we create going forward, and the defence opting to go long 4 times out of 5, we'd be as well going to to 5 at the back. Flood the penalty box and hope we can get through 90 mins without conceding a goal.

    Depressing stuff like.

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    ____________Williams

    Black--- Forster--- McGirven--- Baptie

    ____________Thomson

    Watmore ____Stanton _____ Stevenson

    __________Cummings
    __________________Hefferman

    Subs: Murdoch, Handling, Neilson, Harris, Beaton, Cairney, Tawio

    When we have the ball - Black and Baptie would push forward with Thommo slipping in between the two centre halves.
    I think this leaves us vulnerable at the back and still looks to light weight in midfield. Would rather see Harris or Cairney playing instead of Stevenson as they give more going forward.

    I like the look of Cummings, just not sure he is ready yet!

    I here that that Black and Baptie are good but haven't seen them play, would be good to see them in the team. Do we not have a young CB we got from Spurs that is suppose to be alright as well?

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    I cant see any reason to persist with 4 a the back. We are conceding far too many goals. Considering the lack of chances we create going forward, and the defence opting to go long 4 times out of 5, we'd be as well going to to 5 at the back. Flood the penalty box and hope we can get through 90 mins without conceding a goal.

    Depressing stuff like.
    That's why I would put TJ and KT in to help out the guys at the back who are struggling big time. It would also allow the CB's to pass the ball out of defence rather than hoof it Nelson style every few minutes!!

    Depressing when are Forster is a best attacking threat!

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    You need locked up if you think McGivern should be anywhere near that pitch again. We have very good u20 players who are country mile better football players than half the shower that played on Sunday. Get them in.

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    You need locked up if you think McGivern should be anywhere near that pitch again. We have very good u20 players who are country mile better football players than half the shower that played on Sunday. Get them in.
    Couldn't agree more mate...McGivern is a bombscare...horrendous player who should be nowhere near 1st team...and dont get me started on Nelson. And that's just the defence...bad times indeed

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    You need locked up if you think McGivern should be anywhere near that pitch again. We have very good u20 players who are country mile better football players than half the shower that played on Sunday. Get them in.
    Lol :) I think most of our team could do with being locked up.

    Who is are best Under 21 CB? I can't deal with Nelson at the back any longer either.

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    Lol :) I think most of our team could do with being locked up.

    Who is are best Under 21 CB? I can't deal with Nelson at the back any longer either.
    If Nelson isnt going to lead the defence and have them organised then he doesnt bring anything to the side.

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    Names in a hat and draw them out.

    TB clearly has no clue what our best team is and neither do I.

    I'd still like to see a fair few youngsters get a go in the same game as they will all know how each other play but it seems I'm in the minority as a lot still think we need our 'experienced pros' to get us out this mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty Boy View Post
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    Names in a hat and draw them out.

    TB clearly has no clue what our best team is and neither do I.

    I'd still like to see a fair few youngsters get a go in the same game as they will all know how each other play but it seems I'm in the minority as a lot still think we need our 'experienced pros' to get us out this mess.
    I agree with that, but if they're going to be included in the team and not show that experience then you're as well not using them.

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    Never in my puff have I seen so many changes on a week to week basis, it's unbelievable. Literally 5 or 6 changes every single week. To think that ICT early season success was based on Butcher picking the same starting 11 every week. I'm sure they went 9 games in a row this season with the same 11? Night and day with his current technique of squad number Bingo. I only hope he pulls 'Two fat ladies' out his hat this week. We could try sticking them in defence.

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    Experience is just stuff that happened. Get the young team in now.

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    I think TB needs to sit down with Malpas and pick what they think is the strongest starting 11, and stick with it, instead of making 5 or 6 changes at a time, it not pre season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NadeAteMyLunch! View Post
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    Never in my puff have I seen so many changes on a week to week basis, it's unbelievable. Literally 5 or 6 changes every single week. To think that ICT early season success was based on Butcher picking the same starting 11 every week. I'm sure they went 9 games in a row this season with the same 11? Night and day with his current technique of squad number Bingo. I only hope he pulls 'Two fat ladies' out his hat this week. We could try sticking them in defence.
    Its the same as whats happening at Fulham. New manager has come in, doesnt really know what to do to get a bunch of poor players playing so makes too many changes all the time. It's working for them as well as it is for us.

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    Totally agree that we now need a settled team until the end of the season. I just don't think TB and MM have any faith in any of them including the ones they brought in (bat Watmore maybe).

    How bad must Boateng be if he can't get in ahead of Nelson etc???

    Is Robertson out till the end of the season? Could do with his energy/drive.

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    Totally agree that we now need a settled team until the end of the season. I just don't think TB and MM have any faith in any of them including the ones they brought in (bat Watmore maybe).

    How bad must Boateng be if he can't get in ahead of Nelson etc???

    Is Robertson out till the end of the season? Could do with his energy/drive.
    Boateng must be kicking himself to leave Arsenal when getting a game in (reserves/U21?) to sit on the bench and watch that garbage.. Give him a game, end of. can't be as bad as what we got..

    the only thing thats got me is Butcher came in and said it's all about delivering balls into the box, where has that went?? when we started winning, Craig was whipping balls into the box every time he had the chance.. lets get back to that..

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    in my opinion i would revert to the team that was doing ok earlier as far as possible.

    Williams

    Forster
    Nelson
    McGivern
    Stevenson

    Cairney
    Thomson
    Taiwo
    Craig

    Stanton

    Heffernan.

    Not great but worth a try.

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    Williams

    Boetang
    Forster
    Neslon
    Stevenson

    Watmore
    Thomson
    Stanton
    Zoubir

    Cairney or Craig

    Heffernan

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOB MARLEYS DUG View Post
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    Williams

    Boetang
    Forster
    Neslon
    Stevenson

    Watmore
    Thomson
    Stanton
    Zoubir

    Cairney or Craig

    Heffernan
    We'd lose even more goals with that team in my opinion. Zoubir is tatties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
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    in my opinion i would revert to the team that was doing ok earlier as far as possible.

    Williams

    Forster
    Nelson
    McGivern
    Stevenson

    Cairney
    Thomson
    Taiwo
    Craig

    Stanton

    Heffernan.

    Not great but worth a try.
    I sort of agree. I'd like for Butcher/Malpas to decide what they want from Forster though. If they want a full back, keep him there, if they want a CB then keep him there.

    I'd also have Collins in ahead of Heffernan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by easty View Post
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    I sort of agree. I'd like for Butcher/Malpas to decide what they want from Forster though. If they want a full back, keep him there, if they want a CB then keep him there.

    I'd also have Collins in ahead of Heffernan.
    Forster at right back is by default as there is nobody else- wouldn't throw a kid in right now.
    Collins was my original choice just think Heff more likely to nick a goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by easty View Post
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    I sort of agree. I'd like for Butcher/Malpas to decide what they want from Forster though. If they want a full back, keep him there, if they want a CB then keep him there.

    I'd also have Collins in ahead of Heffernan.
    I find it baffling that anyone could still be wanting Collins in the side. I believe that if we put Forster up front he would perform better than Collins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by number 27 View Post
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    I find it baffling that anyone could still be wanting Collins in the side. I believe that if we put Forster up front he would perform better than Collins.
    Ok then.

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    Drop McGivern, drop Nelson, drop Collins. Permanently. They are not good enough for this club and should be punted immediately at the end of the season.

    Heffernan should start up front as he clearly is the only player at this club who's capable of scoring once in a while. If Collins actually starts ahead of him then I'm sorry Butcher - I'm behind you but that is complete and utter tactical incompetence.

    Stanton, Watmore and Stevenson should all start. I'd also play Cairney and possibly Craig as I genuinely believe there is a player somewhere.

    As for the rest of the team - does it actually ****ing matter? We'll get pumped.

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    Williams

    Forster
    Nelson
    McGivern
    Stevenson

    Zoubir
    Stanton
    Thommo
    Watamore

    Craig

    Haynes.


    Load of Sh*te but Sh*te with a little bit of pace

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    Hopefully?

    Williams.

    Black. Forster. Nelson. Stevenson.

    Thomson. Stanton.

    Watmore. Cairney. Harris.

    Heffernan.


    Probably:

    Williams.

    Forster. Nelson. McGivern. Stevenson.

    Taiwo. Stanton.

    Cairney. Cummings. Watmore.

    Collins.



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    The only thing certain is that our best team next year will have some players we are not able to name right now.

    This year I am at a loss to pick one and Butcher seems to be too. It is strange because I thought I saw some signs of hope in a few games when he first arrived, but the last five games have been dismal and I can't remember anything much except how much I miss Robertson. I hope Steve Marsella is lining up some good candidates for picking this team up by the bootstraps.


    However, mine now would be.

    Williams
    Cairney
    Tudor Jones
    Forster
    Stevenson
    Watmore
    Stanton
    Thomson
    Harris
    Cummings
    Heffernan

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    Not including any under 20's that haven't featured in the first team as I've never seen them play(would be happy to see them if Butcher decided to give them a go) but I would be interested to see something like...
    Williams

    Forster Nelson Hanlon Stevenson

    Thomson Robertson

    Watmore Stanton Craig

    Heff/Collins/Haynes/Cummings


    Relies on Craig hopefully playing more like he was earlier in the season. Don't have a clue what the best option up front is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by underscore View Post
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    You need locked up if you think McGivern should be anywhere near that pitch again. We have very good u20 players who are country mile better football players than half the shower that played on Sunday. Get them in.
    Spot on 100%

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