West Ham seeking legal action (Carroll Red Card)

***Sylar*** · 06-02-2014 08:03 PM

Am I alone in thinking this creates a bit of a dangerous precedent?

The FA tossed out West Ham's appeal against Carroll's red card and now West Ham are taking it a stage further.

If nothing else, isn't this 'bringing the game into disrepute' - are their rules in place regarding outside intervention like this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26039222

***Winston Ingram*** · 06-02-2014 08:16 PM

West Ham are embarrassing themselves.

***Groathillgrump*** · 06-02-2014 08:17 PM

What a ridiculous idea!

***ian cruise*** · 06-02-2014 08:17 PM

I think there is in Scotland, did Rangers bit fall foul if it? In England I'm going to guess not, but I bet there will be soon.

**Sir David Gray** · 06-02-2014 08:36 PM

I don't think clubs should be allowed to take legal action over this kind of thing but the FA needs to take a long, hard look at their appeals process because there's no way that was a red card offence.

It was barely even a foul.

**Future17** · 06-02-2014 08:37 PM

It's a bit embarrassing as it was clearly a red card, however the route for challenge has been there for a good few years so they're perfectly entitled to use it.

Wouldn't really be a precedent as other clubs have used it already.

***Biggie*** · 06-02-2014 08:37 PM

Pretty sure their just buying time.....if they appeal he can play in the next 3 games against teams they need to get results against.......

**hibs4thecup1988** · 06-02-2014 08:43 PM

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It's a bit embarrassing as it was clearly a red card, however the route for challenge has been there for a good few years so they're perfectly entitled to use it.

Wouldn't really be a precedent as other clubs have used it already.

Did you see it yeah? Baffling

***Hibs Class*** · 06-02-2014 08:46 PM

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I think there is in Scotland, did Rangers bit fall foul if it? In England I'm going to guess not, but I bet there will be soon.

Think you're right about rangers falling foul, but I'd a feeling it was either a FIFA or uefa rule which a Swiss club (Sion, maybe?) had previously also broken.

**HUTCHYHIBBY** · 06-02-2014 09:11 PM

I've got a bit of a soft spot for The Hammers, but, I do find this a bit embarrassing. Might be a fair point re just playing for time re the appeal though.

***Winston Ingram*** · 06-02-2014 09:13 PM

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It's a bit embarrassing as it was clearly a red card, however the route for challenge has been there for a good few years so they're perfectly entitled to use it.

Wouldn't really be a precedent as other clubs have used it already.

Agreed.

**iwasthere1972** · 06-02-2014 09:16 PM

I don't think it was a red card but West Ham taken legal action is embarrassing.

Take the punishment and move on.

**NOLA** · 06-02-2014 09:36 PM

it was never a red card, as others have stated im sure this is just a stunt to delay his upcoming ban.

**Scottie** · 06-02-2014 09:36 PM

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West Ham are embarrassing themselves.

Ridiculous that they want to bring more embarrassment to their club

**~~Hibercelona~~** · 07-02-2014 06:19 AM

What else are they supposed to do?

Just accept their punishment for something that they shouldn't be punished for?

The people at the top of the game get far too much protection.

***Winston Ingram*** · 07-02-2014 06:26 AM

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What else are they supposed to do?

Just accept their punishment for something that they shouldn't be punished for?

The people at the top of the game get far too much protection.

Of course they are. An appeal is there to determine whether the ref got it wrong. The TV evidence does not prove that. That being the case they can't say he got it wrong so can't rescind

**~~Hibercelona~~** · 07-02-2014 06:33 AM

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Of course they are. An appeal is there to determine whether the ref got it wrong. The TV evidence does not prove that. That being the case they can't say he got it wrong so can't rescind

The TV evidence proves that it was entirely accidental and that there was no intention at all.

How can the red card not be over turned then?

**Pete** · 07-02-2014 06:44 AM

A few years ago the trend was to be offended on other peoples behalf.

It now appears that embarrassment has overtaken it. Are embarrassment thresholds that low nowadays?

Take a leaf out of yogi's or stack's book.

***Winston Ingram*** · 07-02-2014 06:52 AM

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The TV evidence proves that it was entirely accidental and that there was no intention at all.

How can the red card not be over turned then?

In your opinion it does. In mine, several others on this thread, outside of this message board and in the FA Panel's it doesn't.

The fact that there is so much dispute over it proves that the panel can't conclusively say the referee is wrong so therefore can not overturn it.

***easty*** · 07-02-2014 06:57 AM

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The TV evidence proves that it was entirely accidental and that there was no intention at all.

How can the red card not be over turned then?

It wasn't an accident, it was petty and stupid. I don't think Carroll did it to really hurt the guy, but he knew where Chico was and swung his arm round. Red card was right for me, and West Ham are embarrassing themselves with this legal chat.

**Future17** · 07-02-2014 07:05 AM

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The TV evidence proves that it was entirely accidental and that there was no intention at all.

How can the red card not be over turned then?

The TV evidence doesn't prove anything in this case - it's entirely open to personal interpretation. However, for me, he swings his arm in an unnatural manner, or at least at an unnatural height, because he's trying to make contact with Flores.

***Winston Ingram*** · 07-02-2014 07:10 AM

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The TV evidence doesn't prove anything in this case - it's entirely open to personal interpretation. However, for me, he swings his arm in an unnatural manner, or at least at an unnatural height, because he's trying to make contact with Flores.

...on top of that if his arm was to hit him 'naturally' the direction of his arm would have deviated on impact. It doesn't, because he seems to straighten and tense it with what i can only assume is intent to cause maximum harm.

**Onion** · 07-02-2014 07:30 AM

So they expect a Judge or a jury to be better placed to decide if something is a red card offence ? Lol

If successful, it would create a new world wide industry and micro economy for lawyers and courts. Every decision could be referred to courts to decide. Maybe there is some hope for Rudi after all :)

WHUFC are an embarrassment to themselves and the English game.

**Ronniekirk** · 07-02-2014 07:41 AM

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So they expect a Judge or a jury to be better placed to decide if something is a red card offence ? Lol

If successful, it would create a new world wide industry and micro economy for lawyers and courts. Every decision could be referred to courts to decide. Maybe there is some hope for Rudi after all :)

WHUFC are an embarrassment to themselves and the English game.

Takes Sporting Integrity to a whole new Judicial Level .what a waste of money

***Scouse Hibee*** · 07-02-2014 07:47 AM

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...on top of that if his arm was to hit him 'naturally' the direction of his arm would have deviated on impact. It doesn't, because he seems to straighten and tense it with what i can only assume is intent to cause maximum harm.

Nonsense.

***MKHIBEE*** · 07-02-2014 08:14 AM

Just been announced on SSN that West Ham will accept the decision of the FA's arbitration panel.

**HUTCHYHIBBY** · 07-02-2014 08:19 AM

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Nonsense.

This.

***Scouse Hibee*** · 07-02-2014 08:20 AM

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Just been announced on SSN that West Ham will accept the decision of the FA's arbitration panel.

Good to hear, though I don't agree with the decision to uphold the red card I would hate to see decisions challenged in courts of law for such offences, it has to be kept within the football environment not taken out of it. Ah well it won't be long before we can all debate the next one.