First of all, I do not want to be seen like one of those conspiracy theorists that you get a Darkheid or the PBS, but I thought that I would have a look at referee’s performance at Hibs games since the start of season 2011-12.
I broke it down to the numbers of games each were in charge, number of yellow and red cards given to Hibs players and number of penalties awarded to Hibs. I did start to look at the cards, pens etc. given to opposition players in these games to get a contrast but I was only able to find that information going back to Jan’ 2013, if anyone has the details or knows where I can find that info, please let me know. (There may have been a few more penalties which may have been saved or missed.)
In this period we have had 117 competitive games refereed by Scottish Refs, this excluded the two games that were abandoned, Motherwell and Killie. We have had 19 different refs, 4 have only been in charge for one game each. I have also worked out the average of yellow cards per game for each ref. I will let you draw your own conclusions. I list them in alphabetical order so as not to sway your thinking.
Awarded against Hibs (Pens for)
Crawford Allan,------- 6 games, 7 yellow, 1 red, 1 pen, avg yellow cards per game 1.17
John Beaton,--------- 5 games, 12 yellow, 1 red, 1 pen, avg 2.40
Iain Brines,----------- 7 games, 4 yellow, 0 red, 0 pen, avg 0.57
Craig Charleston,------3 games, 6 yellow, 0 red, 0 pen, avg 2.00
Kevin Clancy,---------4 games, 5 yellow, 0 red, 0 pen, avg 1.50
Willie Collum,-------- 14 games, 21 yellow, 1 red, 2 pen, avg 1.5
Brian Colvin,--------- 3 games, 3 yellow, 0 red, 0 pen, avg 1.00
Mike Conroy,---------2 games, 2 yellow, 0 red, 1 pen, avg 1.00
Stephen Finnie,------3 games, 6 yellow, 1 red, 0 pen, avg 2.00
Bobby Madden,----- 13 games, 16 yellow, 0 red, 1 pen, avg 1.23
John McKendrick,---- 1 game, 1 yellow, 0 red, 0 pen, avg 1.00
Steve McLean,----- 13 games, 25 yellow, 1 red, 3 pens, avg 1.92
Alan Muir,----------- 5 games, 12 yellow, 0 red, 0 pen, avg 2.40
Calum Murray,------- 7 games, 10 yellows, 0 red, 0 pen, avg 1.43
Euan Norris,--------- 5 games, 8 yellows, 0 red, 2 pens, avg 1.60
Steve O’Reilly,------- 6 games, 16 yellow, 0 red, 2 pens, avg 2.67
Charlie Richmond,---- 1 games, 1 yellow, 0 red, 1 pen, avg 1.00
George Salmond,-----1 games, 1 yellow, 0 red, 0 pen, avg 1.00
Craig Thomson,----- 17 games, 46 yellow, 2 red, 0 pen, avg 2.71
B. Winter,----------- 1 games, 2 yellow, 0 red, 0 pen, avg 2.00
Total 117 games, 181 yellow, 7 red, 14 pens for. Avg yellow per game 1.54
Crawford Allan,------- 4 games, 6 yellow, 2 red, 1 pen, avg yellow cards per game 1.50
John Beaton,--------- 3 games, 5 yellow,0 red, 1 pen, avg 1.67
Iain Brines,----------- 3 games, 5 yellow, 0 red, 0 pen, avg 1.67
Craig Charleston,----- 1 games, 0 yellow, 0 red, 0 pen, avg 0.00
Kevin Clancy,-------- 3 games, 5 yellow, 0 red, 1 pen, avg 1.67
Willie Collum,--------- 7 games, 11 yellow, 1 red, 0 pen, avg 1.57
Brian Colvin,----------2 games, 4 yellow, 0 red, 0 pen, avg 2.00
Bobby Madden,------- 6 games, 15 yellow, 0 red, 1 pen, avg 2.50
John McKendrick,----- 1 game, 1 yellow, 0 red, 0 pen, avg 1.00
Steve McLean,------- 6 games, 5 yellow, 1 red, 0 pens, avg 0.83
Alan Muir,------------ 2 games, 3 yellow, 1 red, 1 pen, avg 1.50
Calum Murray,-------- 1 games, 0 yellows, 0 red, 0 pen, avg 0.00
Euan Norris,---------- 1 games, 3 yellows, 0 red, 0 pens, avg 3.00
Craig Thomson,------- 6 games, 8 yellow, 0 red, 2 pen, avg 1.33
Total 46 games, 71 yellow, 5 red, 7 pens for, Avg yellow per game 1.54
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27-01-2014 02:54 PM #1
Referee's performance in Hibs games (stats)
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27-01-2014 02:57 PM #2
46 yellow cards in 17 games for CT says it all.
That's more than double the next closest ref, Collum who has reffed only 3 games less.
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27-01-2014 03:14 PM #3
would be very interested to see thomsons stats for other teams in the spl. to compare against ours.
all in all the facts dont lie and its just plain blatant.
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27-01-2014 03:33 PM #4
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27-01-2014 03:56 PM #7
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Backs up my claim too really, Callum Murray and Steven McLean are top whistlers - and top blokes too.
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I may be paranoid however I think he knows exactly who is on a certain amount of yellows and knows who would be suspended.
Can remember him scandalously booking Sparky for a non-dive against Killie which miraculously ruled him out of the relegation decider v Jumbo Jims Pars a season or two back?
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27-01-2014 04:13 PM #11
referee's performance in charge of Hibs games.
OMG!!!!!
This makes it painfully obvious that the man should never be allowed to officiate any game involving Hibs.
I too don't like to prescribe to conspiracy theories but if Hibs needed any ammunition to give to the SFA about this man then this is proof of how biased he is!
With those stats you would think of Hibs being a "dirty" team of hackers who get booked for consistent fouling or bad tackling!
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27-01-2014 04:14 PM #12
How can we have had him incharge of so many games when there is a whole bunch of other refs?! He must ask to ref us every week.
Slightly off topic but who was the ref for the killie cup game last season? Thought that was the best performance by a ref I have seen for some time (disregarding Heffs soft pen as I think the linesman gave that).
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27-01-2014 04:20 PM #13
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John Fleming is the man to ask why the appointments seem so disproportionate - same referee twice in three games is a bit of a rarity too I would have thought - AND especially when there is already recent history between Thomson and his 'performances' v Aberdeen (Pawlett, Ivan, etc). Jeez he even got the pens wrong for both sides in the recent defeat at Todders.
The man is incompetent as a referee, and more importantly, feels the need for the camera to be focused on him. The headmastery way he spoke to Liam Craig yesterday was simply for the camera. As was his going to speak to Terry Butcher.
I remember he ref'd us at Tannadice after the cup final - the 3-0 defeat. He actually over compensated in our favour to the point it was embarrassing and really saved us from a bigger hiding (if anyone recalls) - I was laughing when he was giving us decisions which were clearly wrong, wryly smiling that no matter what he gave us that day wouldn't make up for the Leigh elbow and the 'penalty' outside the box. The fact we got him so soon after the final says to me that the SFA are putting two fingers up at Hibs for having the temerity to moan Jim
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27-01-2014 04:58 PM #22
Statistics and damning truths
I think big-mo's statistics provide yet more weight to the argument that Thomson is biased against Hibs. There have been a lot of good points made on this subject and some great posts on the relevant rules in relation to yesterday's game in partcular. I think I can say that the vast majority of posters on this site are reasonable, intelligent people who understand that there are rules but that the ref has the job of not only following the rules but of interpreting them. The simple question, for me, is this...If there really is a biased ref, what provision is there in the system to ensure that he is answerable for his decsions?
IMHO I think it would be wrong to suggest, in terms of Thomson's decisions regarding Hibs, that it is all swings and roundabouts or incompetence or some perhaps kind of self fulfilling prophesy, whereby a ref gets a reputation for being biased and players subsequently get themselves booked for over protesting his decisions. It is over fifty years since I first saw Hibs play and I have honestly never felt as badly about any ref. Hibs players and the club are professional and respecful of the game and it's governing bodies (including refs)...and so are the vast majoity of Hibs fans but the balance of probability is that Thomson is less than even-handed when it comes to our games and the stats are very revealing in bearing this out. It is time Hibs took action on this issue. It has cost us games, revenue, league postions and takes credibility away from football itself. IMO Thomson is a cheat and he needs to be called out on his decisions. An honourable man would resign because he can't really continue to officiate on games where his judgement has been so badly called into question but I won't hold my breath.
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27-01-2014 05:17 PM #23
Very interesting stats:
If they prove one thing its the old adage, familiarity breeds contempt, in all my time supporting Hibs we have had some refs who's name next to a fixture was greeted with dismay. But I've never known a ref who was ( and is ) held in such utter contempt by our support.
I would never condone assaults on match officials under any circumstances, its utterly unacceptable. But if a ref was ever going to be lamped by a supporter its him. He struts about the pitch like some sort of third world despot and if you ask me actually enjoys making decisions which wind up supporters ... especially ours. I find that way he holds his cards up at the very edge of thumb and forefinger infuriating.
Its the measure of him as a ref that he chose to send Pat Fenlon to the stand during the 2012 cup final ... any ref worth his salt would have had the common sense to appreciate a managers utter frustration in these circumstances and settled for a quite word ... but not our Craig, if nothing else he has to be the centre of attention.
The question has to be asked ..... Given that the club's opinion of this referee is well known, not to mention the supporters hatred of him, why is it the case that he refs more Hibs games than any other official ..... this looks like a calculated policy by the powers that be to show us who's boss. If there is another explanation I'd like to hear it.
If its comes down to it that Hibs have a chance to relegate the Yams either at the Wongadome or ER if we miss out on the top 6 I wouldnt be in the least surprised if he gets the gig.
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27-01-2014 05:27 PM #24
Some have been asking why we have had CT so often, the reason could be that he is reportedly Scotland's 'top ref', and would therefore have the most games in the top-fight, there is only six refs required for any weekend in the SPL/SPFL, he would be refing more games than anyone else. Anyway we have had him four times this season so we are only due to get him once more, it would just be our luck to get to the cup final again and find him standing in the middle waiting for us.
Anyway, if you read the stats, the average number of cards given to Hibs has been, 1.54 cards per game, also the average number of cards per game shown to Hibs opponents is also 1.54 per game, however, CT issued an average of 2.71 cards for Hibs but only 1.33 for our opposition. Given that he has had more games than anyone else, the stats are more accurate than for any other ref.
Having the same average of cards for both Hibs and their opposition proves that we are no worst than anyone else, and in fact the CT's record distorts the stats shows we are slightly cleaner.
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27-01-2014 05:30 PM #26
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27-01-2014 05:39 PM #27
One Error I note but it wont affect Thomsons statistics
last season at St Mirren Craig Charlston gave a penalty against Hibs which Williams saved .
I have re-assesed my opinion on this referee and find he is now one of the least inefficient there is (could not say a referee is good) so this Refs is as good as it gets
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27-01-2014 06:44 PM #29
I don't think there would be any harm sending these figures to Hibs.
I'd be inclined to send them to the SFA referee's committee too, but maybe that's Hibs' job.
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