TB's take on it

***Jonnyboy*** · 21-12-2013 06:56 PM

From the BBC

I've a feeling folk might concentrate on the 'fear' aspect but for me the most important point he makes is ...... "You can't repair what's been going on for quite some time here in four or five games. If I did that, it would be miraculous.

***bingo70*** · 21-12-2013 07:09 PM

I think he's just talking about confidence.

***Jonnyboy*** · 21-12-2013 07:16 PM

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I think he's just talking about confidence.

Good chance aye

***Alfred E Newman*** · 21-12-2013 07:34 PM

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I think he's just talking about confidence.

I'm not so sure. Sitting up in the stand today would enable him to see our problems in all their glory.
Chronic lack of real pace throughout the team and inability to cross the ball with any accuracy are only two.

***bingo70*** · 21-12-2013 07:42 PM

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I'm not so sure. Sitting up in the stand today would enable him to see our problems in all their glory.
Chronic lack of real pace throughout the team and inability to cross the ball with any accuracy are only two.

Very true.

**SmashinGlass** · 21-12-2013 07:48 PM

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I'm not so sure. Sitting up in the stand today would enable him to see our problems in all their glory.
Chronic lack of real pace throughout the team and inability to cross the ball with any accuracy are only two.

I said that very thing to my mate during the game. We lack pace and, as a result struggle to attack quickly. It was clear that our crosses weren't very good today and I'd like to see us trying to hit the bye line, but with no pace, that's not going to happen. We badly need Harris back, as well as one or two additions in January. Butcher will know what is needed by now I feel.

**down-the-slope** · 21-12-2013 07:50 PM

I think to some extent Terry is having some of the same issues Pat had....players who look great in training and somehow fail to bring that on match day (particularly at ER) Confidence or what ever it is.

Think about this - Our midfield was the poorest area of team today (Defence & Forwards OK) and yet OTJ who Terry knows well and was main stay of his team for some time is not even making the bench...so Terry must think those who are in team / on he bench are better? why is that not reflected on pitch?.

I think that had one of the multitude of chances in last Derby had gone in we would have seen whole season transformed via the confidence feel good produced...While Terry has brought something new and some changes I still feel we need that kind of break through to see the best of the squad..

**weonlywon6-2** · 21-12-2013 09:37 PM

We need to trust terry.He aint gonna change much in a couple of weeks,it will take time.
Once harris and heffernan are back we should be seeing better performances

**Andy74** · 21-12-2013 10:19 PM

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I'm not so sure. Sitting up in the stand today would enable him to see our problems in all their glory.
Chronic lack of real pace throughout the team and inability to cross the ball with any accuracy are only two.

Well Lewis Stevenson as a winger isn't a way to sort that one!

***Eyrie*** · 21-12-2013 10:44 PM

Butcher's midfield isn't working - Craig is too deep, Stevenson lacks creativity and Cairney is too slow.

Simple solution is to have Thomson sitting with Craig and Harris (when back) flanking Robertson and supporting the strikers. Stevenson can move to LB or provide midfield depth along with Stanton and one of Taiwo or Tudur-Jones. I'd let the other one leave together with Cairney and bring in a genuine winger to compete with Craig and Harris.

**IWasThere2016** · 21-12-2013 10:48 PM

He's pissing a lot better with the cock he has than Fenlon did .. So to speak

**~~Saorsa~~** · 21-12-2013 10:50 PM

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From the BBC

I've a feeling folk might concentrate on the 'fear' aspect but for me the most important point he makes is ...... "You can't repair what's been going on for quite some time here in four or five games. If I did that, it would be miraculous.

I agree with him, I can see a difference but there's definitely hangovers from the previous regime that look like they're going tae take a while tae get rid of.

***matty_f*** · 21-12-2013 10:52 PM

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He's pissing a lot better with the cock he has than Fenlon did .. So to speak

To be fair, he's not really. We're not scoring goals or picking up wins, we do attack more I suppose but we don't look like we are going to score.

**madabouthibs** · 21-12-2013 10:53 PM

I think Harris is a great wee player, but we're not half heaping some huge pressure on this lad! Everyone seems to think we're gonna become some sort of contender when he's back!

Yes, it'll be good to see him back doing what he does best, but we still need someone to pop those crosses and channel balls in the net, and of course another micfielder on the other side, Harris isn't the 15-20 goals a season striker we need so badly.

***The Modfather*** · 21-12-2013 11:21 PM

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Well Lewis Stevenson as a winger isn't a way to sort that one!

Not easy trying to fit the square pegs Fenlon has left us with into the round holes is it.

**Onceinawhile** · 22-12-2013 05:41 AM

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He's pissing a lot better with the cock he has than Fenlon did .. So to speak

Not really,

Fenlon beat partick, st mirren and st johnstone and took a point off celtic in the league as well. So butcher is 7 points down on him.

**~~Hibercelona~~** · 22-12-2013 07:07 AM

No player who goes out there should ever lack confidence. If they are, then something is seriously wrong.

**Tyler Durden** · 22-12-2013 07:44 AM

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No player who goes out there should ever lack confidence. If they are, then something is seriously wrong.

Happens to bigger and better than us - look at Torres.

Liam Craig is the worst at the moment for me. The players are so careful to keep the ball that every pass is a cert after 2/3 touches, there's no risk taken to beat a man or take the ball in a tight area.

What we'd give for the quality of a Beuzelin or a Shiels and yet some posters here tell you they had 1 good game in 5. What's the ratio for current team?

**IWasThere2016** · 22-12-2013 07:56 AM

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To be fair, he's not really. We're not scoring goals or picking up wins, we do attack more I suppose but we don't look like we are going to score.

The only comparison can be games played as TB's not had the 4 or 5 windows PF had.

Is TB's first few games better or not than PF's?

***cocopops1875*** · 22-12-2013 08:17 AM

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No player who goes out there should ever lack confidence. If they are, then something is seriously wrong.

Utter Pish

**~~Hibercelona~~** · 22-12-2013 08:21 AM

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Happens to bigger and better than us - look at Torres.

Liam Craig is the worst at the moment for me. The players are so careful to keep the ball that every pass is a cert after 2/3 touches, there's no risk taken to beat a man or take the ball in a tight area.

What we'd give for the quality of a Beuzelin or a Shiels and yet some posters here tell you they had 1 good game in 5. What's the ratio for current team?

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Utter Pish

I don't want any player going out there in a Hibs top who doesn't believe they can win games.

You should never go out onto that pitch lacking confidence or belief.

**Tyler Durden** · 22-12-2013 08:23 AM

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I don't want any player going out there in a Hibs top who doesn't believe they can win games.

You should never go out onto that pitch lacking confidence or belief.

We should also win every game scoring a minimum of 4 goals - I demand nothing less

**~~Hibercelona~~** · 22-12-2013 08:26 AM

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We should also win every game scoring a minimum of 4 goals - I demand nothing less

That's not what i'm saying.

But sending players out in a Hibs top who aren't confident and who are "afraid of winning"?

That just shouldn't happen.

***ginger_rice*** · 22-12-2013 09:52 AM

Heard TB on the radio yesterday he identified a lack of pace as something that needs addressing, also said he's looking to get some players in in important positions but wouldn't speculate on where, he also suggested that some "older" players may need to move on.

**Andy74** · 22-12-2013 10:05 AM

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He's pissing a lot better with the cock he has than Fenlon did .. So to speak

He's not though is he?

**Andy74** · 22-12-2013 10:08 AM

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The only comparison can be games played as TB's not had the 4 or 5 windows PF had.

Is TB's first few games better or not than PF's?

Easiest way is how they both did with this team.

Every team Butcher has played in the league we've had a worse result than the first time we played them.

When Fenlon left we were 6th and 5 points off second place. We are well adrift now. Granted Jimmy Nic had a couple of games in there too.

***Danderhall Hibs*** · 22-12-2013 10:32 AM

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Easiest way is how they both did with this team.

Every team Butcher has played in the league we've had a worse result than the first time we played them.

When Fenlon left we were 6th and 5 points off second place. We are well adrift now. Granted Jimmy Nic had a couple of games in there too.

Haha. The man that wouldn't let it lie.

Butcher out, Fenlon in,

***Heisenberg*** · 22-12-2013 10:38 AM

Fenlon should have definitely been given another 2 years to make us even slower and more unbalanced, IMO. Butcher out, Fenlon in.

**Craig_in_Prague** · 22-12-2013 10:45 AM

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Easiest way is how they both did with this team.

Every team Butcher has played in the league we've had a worse result than the first time we played them.

When Fenlon left we were 6th and 5 points off second place. We are well adrift now. Granted Jimmy Nic had a couple of games in there too.

Its embarrassing to defend Fenlon, please, stop.