Acceptance of Failure

**JCHibby** · 01-11-2013 02:16 PM

Would other clubs accept the poor level of performance we have had to suffer over the last few years?

I step back and look at Sunderland as an example, Di Canio given money to spend, didn't work and support pretty quick to make the club aware this was not acceptable standards.

Do we as supporters accept the poor application and standards that have been set to easily?

***Scouse Hibee*** · 01-11-2013 02:19 PM

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Would other clubs accept the poor level of performance we have had to suffer over the last few years?

I step back and look at Sunderland as an example, Di Canio given money to spend, didn't work and support pretty quick to make the club aware this was not acceptable standards.

Do we as supporters accept the poor application and standards that have been set to easily?

Yes it's the nature of football, expectation levels are rarely met never mind exceeded.

We may as well start singing "we're **** and we know we are!

**Ozyhibby** · 01-11-2013 02:21 PM

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Would other clubs accept the poor level of performance we have had to suffer over the last few years?

I step back and look at Sunderland as an example, Di Canio given money to spend, didn't work and support pretty quick to make the club aware this was not acceptable standards.

Do we as supporters accept the poor application and standards that have been set to easily?

We'll only really know at the next home game. If there are still 9000 or so there then the board will see that as a green light to soldier on with Fenlon.

**Craig_in_Prague** · 01-11-2013 02:24 PM

No but the board does,
Coz we are 'on average' a mid table side, that's all our board expect.
Complete lack of vision, accountability and drive for reasonable entertainment and success, said for years Hibs are fur coat, no knickers. I.e we might look ok on the outside (nice stadium, training centre, good finance etc) but we are missing the basics, acceptable product on the pitch, no apparent scouting network, regression in youth players..

We are not hungry for success at the top, which leads all the way down.

**Ozyhibby** · 01-11-2013 02:28 PM

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No but the board does,
Coz we are 'on average' a mid table side, that's all our board expect.
Complete lack of vision, accountability and drive for reasonable entertainment and success, said for years Hibs are fur coat, no knickers. I.e we might look ok on the outside (nice stadium, training centre, good finance etc) but we are missing the basics, acceptable product on the pitch, no apparent scouting network, regression in youth players..

We are not hungry for success at the top, which leads all the way down.

And fans dumb enough to keep paying for it all.

**~~Phil D. Rolls~~** · 01-11-2013 02:28 PM

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Would other clubs accept the poor level of performance we have had to suffer over the last few years?

I step back and look at Sunderland as an example, Di Canio given money to spend, didn't work and support pretty quick to make the club aware this was not acceptable standards.

Do we as supporters accept the poor application and standards that have been set to easily?

When have we, or Sunderland, or Newcastle United, or Hearts ever been successful?

***DarlingtonHibee*** · 01-11-2013 02:33 PM

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Would other clubs accept the poor level of performance we have had to suffer over the last few years?

I step back and look at Sunderland as an example, Di Canio given money to spend, didn't work and support pretty quick to make the club aware this was not acceptable standards.

Do we as supporters accept the poor application and standards that have been set to easily?

Easy to critise, but do actually have any ideas on improving things ?

***Stevie Reid*** · 01-11-2013 02:35 PM

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And fans dumb enough to keep paying for it all.

Are you including yourself in that, or having a pop at others?

**Ozyhibby** · 01-11-2013 02:36 PM

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Easy to critise, but do actually have any ideas on improving things ?

Nah, everyone is totally stumped on how things could be improved. If only there was something obvious the club could do today to make things better. Any ideas? Anyone?

**LeithBoozy** · 01-11-2013 02:37 PM

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Would other clubs accept the poor level of performance we have had to suffer over the last few years?

I step back and look at Sunderland as an example, Di Canio given money to spend, didn't work and support pretty quick to make the club aware this was not acceptable standards.

Do we as supporters accept the poor application and standards that have been set to easily?

No they would not accept it, especially getting outfought by your biggest rivals every time you play them. If any manager cant get his team up for a derby, he should be shown the door. Almost every time we play the yams they seem to be more up for the game, Fenlon has brought us nothing but record breaking embarrassing results that no other club would accept, its a results driven business so why he is still here I don't know.

**Ozyhibby** · 01-11-2013 02:38 PM

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Are you including yourself in that, or having a pop at others?

Absolutely including myself. I'm probably one of the worst offenders when it comes to saying I'm not going back then being there at the next game. Not this time though. I'm determined not to be made a fool of this time.

***DarlingtonHibee*** · 01-11-2013 02:41 PM

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Nah, everyone is totally stumped on how things could be improved. If only there was something obvious the club could do today to make things better. Any ideas? Anyone?

So you don't have any ideas ?

***DarlingtonHibee*** · 01-11-2013 02:43 PM

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Absolutely including myself. I'm probably one of the worst offenders when it comes to saying I'm not going back then being there at the next game. Not this time though. I'm determined not to be made a fool of this time.

Don't go - your option not to support your club

**Geo_1875** · 01-11-2013 02:43 PM

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No they would not accept it, especially getting outfought by your biggest rivals every time you play them. If any manager cant get his team up for a derby, he should be shown the door. Almost every time we play the yams they seem to be more up for the game, Fenlon has brought us nothing but record breaking embarrassing results that no other club would accept, its a results driven business so why he is still here I don't know.

That's because they are more up for it. They know that if they can beat Hibs their fans will accept mediocrity in all other things. I wouldn't accept that from Hibs.

Unfortunately, the board only care about financial results

**Ozyhibby** · 01-11-2013 02:43 PM

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So you don't have any ideas ?

You got me, I can't make out if your at the wind up or not. Good work.

***Stevie Reid*** · 01-11-2013 02:46 PM

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Absolutely including myself. I'm probably one of the worst offenders when it comes to saying I'm not going back then being there at the next game. Not this time though. I'm determined not to be made a fool of this time.

Fair enough. I'll be back no doubt, but it's far from an enticing prospect.

***DarlingtonHibee*** · 01-11-2013 02:47 PM

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You got me, I can't make out if your at the wind up or not. Good work.

No wind up - what would you change at Hibs ?

**monktonharp** · 01-11-2013 02:56 PM

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Easy to critise, but do actually have any ideas on improving things ?

yes, it is very easy to criticise, on the back of a bad result but many on here have done so on the back of victories. others have ,over the last 2 years tried to give the current manager a bit of leeway, dare I say encouragement but it has now got to breaking point and a large number will be voting by their feet. Rod Petrie may have been behind the most recent moves to try and bring fans closer to the club by having informal meetings/forums with selected groups. this is all very well, but not getting to the real problem and that is that very few Hibernian fans ever hear him ,or see him in front of the cameras explaining anything. he needs to come to the front, and tell us that the current board really are trying to take the club forward. we have waited for years, and we have been the laughing stock of certain members of the press, and many of the gorgie mob because we never turn up.