Screaming abuse at Hibs Players

[RIP]

Does anyone believe there is a link between this known Easter Road phenomenon and our poor home form?

And if there is a link, what can we as a club do to get this under control?

I'm not talking about moaning - in recent years we have all needed to vent spleen at games


And before anyone starts - this is not an Uber Fan debate

[S4uzee]

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Does anyone believe there is a link between this known Easter Road phenomenon and our poor home form?

And if there is a link, what can we as a club do to get this under control?

I'm not talking about moaning - in recent years we have all needed to vent spleen at games


And before anyone starts - this is not an Uber Fan debate

Was at the game on Sat and what a difference I felt it was, actually really enjoyed the game for a change with the fans getting right behind the team. Really liked the backing Zouby got when he was called from the bench that he was going on

[Thecat23]

Most get behind the team, we just seem to play shocking football at home. Pretty simple really. There are guys who scream abuse but I'd defo say majority still get behind the team.

[Paisley Hibby]

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Does anyone believe there is a link between this known Easter Road phenomenon and our poor home form?

And if there is a link, what can we as a club do to get this under control?

I'm not talking about moaning - in recent years we have all needed to vent spleen at games


And before anyone starts - this is not an Uber Fan debate

You're spot on mate. I think most of our best performances in the past few years have been away from home. Our worst have been at home and at Hampden. I think a part of the story is that our regular away support is usually brilliant and that helps the players. Away to Killie in the cup last season was a really good example. Brilliant atmosphere and great team performance that day. Meanwhile, at Easter Road the abuse dished out to certain players can sometimes be shocking. Sure we've all been fed up with our poor form but I don't see how having a go at our players does anything other than make things even worse.

[marinello59]

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Was at the game on Sat and what a difference I felt it was, actually really enjoyed the game for a change with the fans getting right behind the team. Really liked the backing Zouby got when he was called from the bench that he was going on

If the team had produced that 2nd half performance at home they would have got exactly the same backing. Zouby would have got a brilliant reception at ER too. It's utter nonsense to blame what must be one of the most loyal supports there is for the teams performances at home. That's down to the manager and players.

[Simkin911]

Old guy in front of me was abusing Vine when we was warming up in front of us in the 2nd half on Saturday - despite us winning 2-1 at the time. Home and away we have our idiots like all other teams.

[weonlywon6-2]

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Old guy in front of me was abusing Vine when we was warming up in front of us in the 2nd half on Saturday - despite us winning 2-1 at the time. Home and away we have our idiots like all other teams.

Thats just crazy,i wish we could rid ourselves of these fans.,they do not help the cause no matter what way you look at it
How would the old guy like it if he was abused at his work if he was doing his best

[lEXO]

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Old guy in front of me was abusing Vine when we was warming up in front of us in the 2nd half on Saturday - despite us winning 2-1 at the time. Home and away we have our idiots like all other teams.

Agreed. There was a guy behind me at Perth who abused Maybury, then Hanlon then someone else. I love away games but the home fans aren't the problem. It,s the pish that we are watching at home is the problem. Fenlon,s home win rate is about 25%. There in lies the problem at home, and don't forget at £400 a season ticket can you blame them? I don't.

[rcarter1]

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Old guy in front of me was abusing Vine when we was warming up in front of us in the 2nd half on Saturday - despite us winning 2-1 at the time. Home and away we have our idiots like all other teams.

However, pro footballers should be trained and prepared for numpties.

[marinello59]

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Old guy in front of me was abusing Vine when we was warming up in front of us in the 2nd half on Saturday - despite us winning 2-1 at the time. Home and away we have our idiots like all other teams.

Exactly. We will have the same proportion of nutters in the home and away support .

[malagahibby]

I kid you not-I sit in the east and there are 3 guys who come every week,clap everytime a hibs player does something wrong,hurl abuse right left and centre at the players.Pat Fenlon gets it in the neck for 90 mins and a few weeks ago screamed at the music getting played at half time (the old there is a bonnie fitba team song)saying its too old and out of date.
They are getting so close to a good pasting!

[Pretty Boy]

The abuse at ER is no worse than any other fans give their team when they aren't performing well, especially over a long period.

Most of the booing etc i hear at ER is reserved for half time and full time. People letting their feelings be known at those times has been going on as long as i can remember tbh.

There's always a few isolated idiots but we are a million miles away from a Blackburn type situation.

[Heedersnvolleys]

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If the team had produced that 2nd half performance at home they would havoont exactly the same backing. Zouby would have got a brilliant reception at ER too. It's utter nonsense to blame what must be one of the most loyal supports there is for the teams performances at home. That's down to the manager and players.

This.... All the team and/or Pat need is to have the bottle to play like they did in the second half on Saturday from the start at ER and they will get all the support they need and more. I don't know if it is extra drink on away days that people think there is less abuse hurrled at the players but I heard my fair share at Nelson at there goal and at one ooint where Hanlon got too easily knocked of the ball by May. Rightly so to a point IMO

[Viva_Palmeiras]

In a world of football numpties there is only one solution -Cantona. Swift, to the point, committed. Albeit it was an opposition fan but if "home" fans abuse players as the opposition would then what can you do?

"Abusing" your own players crosses the line. I can understand expressing displeasure/booing at the end of the Match however but that can be done without abuse.

We have a young team and it is the abuse of the younger players that i find unjustifiable. I stuck up for Handling once and got called an "inbred" and a "******" for my troubles amongst other inane crap on twitter from a Hibs fan! I just can't fathom the mentality of folks that partake in that crap.

I don't buy all this we pay their wages can say what we want its just a cop out - does a boss have the right just because he employed you? To abuse someone is never a "right" (it's a privilege ;)) it's a wrong it they're a Hibby.

[Hedlund12]

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Was at the game on Sat and what a difference I felt it was, actually really enjoyed the game for a change with the fans getting right behind the team. Really liked the backing Zouby got when he was called from the bench that he was going on

Couldn't agree more whilst it wasn't world class football ...there was a great improvement in form... for the first time in a long time I left a match in a really good mood. One the subject of the ones hurling abuse...don't think it would matter to these types if we were seeing outstanding football at ER...they'd still find some excuse to moan and winge about!

[Jonnyboy]

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Does anyone believe there is a link between this known Easter Road phenomenon and our poor home form?

And if there is a link, what can we as a club do to get this under control?

I'm not talking about moaning - in recent years we have all needed to vent spleen at games


And before anyone starts - this is not an Uber Fan debate

Do you mean like you did to Spoony one time?

[Just Alf]

I've mentioned this before... In a radio interview Terry Butcher said our fans actually gave his boys an edge..... Go figure... :-(

[Up The Bracket]

It's definitely no co-incidence that we're picking up most of our points away from home, it was exactly the same in the 2011/12 season.

[marinello59]

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It's definitely no co-incidence that we're picking up most of our points away from home, it was exactly the same in the 2011/12 season.

So is it a case of thanking the away fans or blaming the home fans?

[Frogga]

I don't think our fans are terrible but at the same time I don't see how screaming abuse at your own players helps anyone. You are basically shooting yourself and your fellow fans in the foot as it generally hinders the team. If the team can go out with the knowledge that the fans are right behind them then they will likely play with a lot more confidence and freedom.

[down-the-slope]

One advantage that should be obvious - but stood out in Perth - is that generally away the support is in one area and so the signing & atmosphere is concentrated. Even although there are 'moaners' they are more difficult to here (unless right near)..

At ER the support is spread and atmosphere diluted - wide areas and more quiet areas where the 'moaners' are heard more easily from further and I believe carries onto pitch more easily

Somehow we need to get the support at ER more concentrated and nearer pitch even if it means closing areas for cat B games.....

And get Safe Standing up and running

[TheFamous1875]

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One advantage that should be obvious - but stood out in Perth - is that generally away the support is in one area and so the signing & atmosphere is concentrated. Even although there are 'moaners' they are more difficult to here (unless right near)..

At ER the support is spread and atmosphere diluted - wide areas and more quiet areas where the 'moaners' are heard more easily from further and I believe carries onto pitch more easily

Somehow we need to get the support at ER more concentrated and nearer pitch even if it means closing areas for cat B games.....

And get Safe Standing up and running

This.

Also, the Malmo incident has paid dividends towards this problem. We all turned up in our numbers, the non believers included (think of the many more who didn't!), and I think this home torture is a direct consequence of what happened that day. And still, there's no evidence of any change yet from the team (at least not sustained at this point).

I really do think the transformation of the lower Famous Five stand into a singing section (especially a standing one) would be a masterstroke in tackling the unforgiving atmosphere up stadium serves up to the players.


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[SunshineOnLeith]

I was in the home end on Saturday and the only vitriol from the stands was addressed towards the referee, and a couple of Hibs players. Couple of incidents stick out where, in the home end at Easter Rd, you'd have heard people screaming abuse at the player involved until they were red in the face, with such venom you'd think said player had ****ged their wife.

1) Hasselbaink in the first half went on a bit of a run and then chose entirely the wrong option, and executed that option badly, so as to give possession back to us. Shouts of "hard lines wee man", "stick in" etc, no calling him a useless pr*ck and the like.

2) Wotherspoon's rubbish cross with the last kick of the game, if he'd done that in Hibs colours I hate to think what the reaction would have been like.

So, to answer the OP: Yes, I think there's a problem at Easter Rd. No, I don't have any ideas to fix it, unfortunately. Even when we were winning games in the first half of last season the screamers will still there.

Edit to add a bit re: standing in the FF lower, as I see that's raised it's head again.

Most (all?) of the posters I've ever seen calling for this don't currently sit/stand in Section 43, or are active in Sect43 etc. Therefore it seems like they're essentially telling a group of people to move. The people in Section 43 have chosen it as the area of the ground from which they like to watch football matches, so unless those people decide to move to the FF lower of their own volition then you can't just 'move the singing section'. I don't sit/stand in S43 at Easter Rd myself, but it's up to those guys where in the stadium they go.

[SaulGoodman]

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Edit to add a bit re: standing in the FF lower, as I see that's raised it's head again.

Most (all?) of the posters I've ever seen calling for this don't currently sit/stand in Section 43, or are active in Sect43 etc. Therefore it seems like they're essentially telling a group of people to move. The people in Section 43 have chosen it as the area of the ground from which they like to watch football matches, so unless those people decide to move to the FF lower of their own volition then you can't just 'move the singing section'. I don't sit/stand in S43 at Easter Rd myself, but it's up to those guys where in the stadium they go.

S43 isn't moving, it's a section of the stand, it can't move. Likewise no one is telling anyone there to move.

People want another section, for standing.

[MB62]

This is a topic that continually gets raised 4 or 5 times a season, EVERY season. TBH, whilst I hear the odd numpty going mental about a particular player, I can't say I have witnessed many fans abusing our own players. I wonder if we are getting a bit mixed up with fans commenting aloud when a pass goes astray or a shot goes miles wide or tackle missed etc, etc, e.g. 'FFS Lewis, pass it to somebody in yer ain team son' (just an example of a comment, not necessarily directed at Lewis). That's a comment out of frustration and not abuse IMO and is just run of the mill stuff at football. Abuse to me is screaming at players every time they touch the ball, regardless of what they do with it, somebody taking a complete dislike to a player and who can't wait to get on his back, but as mentioned, whilst I know this happens, these numpties are few and far between.
Football is not an exact science and players misplace passes, miss open goals or tackles and goalies drop crosses etc. If a player is continually making mistakes, then it's up to the manager to give him the hook. I reckon 99.9% of fans that go to the games go there to support their team and we're no different. Watching Hibs of late has been murder but I don't abuse players, I certainly let of steam in frustration at times but never consider it abuse. I still feel we could be on the verge of putting together a very good run and playing some good football with the players we have, then we can ALL SUPPORT the players, fingers crossed.

[Keith_M]

When I had a Season Ticket in the FF Lower (Section 20), there were a couple of guys in there that everybody around called 'Stadtler and Waldorf'**. Their main purpose in going to games was to complain long and loud about everything and everybody. There was a youngish guy in the row behind them that used to sit there with his young son and scream the most foul mouthed abuse at the Hibs players.

When I moved to the East, we had two guys sat next to us that seemed to be Stadler and Waldorf from the FF, but 20 years younger. One in particular would act like a totally crazy person, once even challenging Hughes to a fight (from the safety of his seat, 20 rows back).

These kind of people seem to be found in any part of the stadium. They also appear to have some serious mental/emotional issues. I'd be happier if they just didn't turn up to games at all. I'm not sure why they do, unless it's the only place they feel they can let off steam because they're under the thumb at home or whatever.





** For our younger readers, that have no idea who Stadtler and Waldorf are, watch THIS

[exHIBition]

Home form has been dire. Shocking.

The natural reaction is to get angry and dish it out. Fair enough

Has it worked though? Has it changed the performance of the team?

Maybe try and get the whole house behind the team and lift them.

It is an option.

[Hibercelona]

There's always going to be people there who shout torrid abuse for 90 minutes regardless of what players do. But I don't see how that makes ER any different than any other clubs home ground in Scotland.

Poor performances = frustration = abuse = more poor performances. It's a vicious cycle. Fans expect their team to perform at home and some react quite badly when it doesn't happen.

There's never any justification for personal abuse towards any player. But what players can expect at ER, they can expect at any other ground across the country.

[Paisley Hibby]

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I was in the home end on Saturday and the only vitriol from the stands was addressed towards the referee, and a couple of Hibs players. Couple of incidents stick out where, in the home end at Easter Rd, you'd have heard people screaming abuse at the player involved until they were red in the face, with such venom you'd think said player had ****ged their wife.

1) Hasselbaink in the first half went on a bit of a run and then chose entirely the wrong option, and executed that option badly, so as to give possession back to us. Shouts of "hard lines wee man", "stick in" etc, no calling him a useless pr*ck and the like.

2) Wotherspoon's rubbish cross with the last kick of the game, if he'd done that in Hibs colours I hate to think what the reaction would have been like.

So, to answer the OP: Yes, I think there's a problem at Easter Rd. No, I don't have any ideas to fix it, unfortunately. Even when we were winning games in the first half of last season the screamers will still there.

Edit to add a bit re: standing in the FF lower, as I see that's raised it's head again.

Most (all?) of the posters I've ever seen calling for this don't currently sit/stand in Section 43, or are active in Sect43 etc. Therefore it seems like they're essentially telling a group of people to move. The people in Section 43 have chosen it as the area of the ground from which they like to watch football matches, so unless those people decide to move to the FF lower of their own volition then you can't just 'move the singing section'. I don't sit/stand in S43 at Easter Rd myself, but it's up to those guys where in the stadium they go.

Meanwhile in the Hibs end on Saturday, during the second half we had a fair few hurling abuse at Collins. OK, he was not having his best game but he was trying. Also, we were probably playing the best we have all season. I just don't get these guys. Why travel all the way to Perth, pay to get in and then do that?

As for ER, like others I do feel the singing section is in the wrong part of the stadium. Our old tradition of playing "down the slope" in the second half would, I think, be enhanced if we were playing towards a noisy "ultras" section behind the goals in the FF.

[blackpoolhibs]

This has come about because of years of underachievement, and no surprise to me. When you keep being told we are the best run club bar the smellies, and you see manager after manager bring in player after player yet nothing happens and most weeks you leave thinking that bored me ****less, is it any wonder folk are venting their displeasure?

Being told to be patient only works for so long.