Home teams paying Hearts for visiting fans

[Treadstone]

Spend way beyond your means. Spend the sugar daddys money that wasn't his. Don't worry help is at hand.

Barry Anderson ‏@BarryAnderson_856m
Nice gesture from @St_Johnstone_FC to donate £1 from each ticket sold v #Hearts on Sunday 4 August to the 1874 Fighting Fund. #SaveOurHearts

All respect for St Johnstone has gone.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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Spend way beyond your means. Spend the sugar daddys money that wasn't his. Don't worry help is at hand.

Barry Anderson ‏@BarryAnderson_856m
Nice gesture from @St_Johnstone_FC to donate £1 from each ticket sold v #Hearts on Sunday 4 August to the 1874 Fighting Fund. #SaveOurHearts

All respect for St Johnstone has gone.

Thats a shocker, they've been cheating financially against the other clubs for years and now getting a wee clap on the back for it.

[Dunderhall]

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Spend way beyond your means. Spend the sugar daddys money that wasn't his. Don't worry help is at hand.

Barry Anderson ‏@BarryAnderson_856m
Nice gesture from @St_Johnstone_FC to donate £1 from each ticket sold v #Hearts on Sunday 4 August to the 1874 Fighting Fund. #SaveOurHearts

All respect for St Johnstone has gone.

Payment to the 1874 FF.
That will allow them to gloss over a few things, it's a step forward.

(Don't know what St J are playing at)

[#FromTheCapital]

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Spend way beyond your means. Spend the sugar daddys money that wasn't his. Don't worry help is at hand.

Barry Anderson ‏@BarryAnderson_856m
Nice gesture from @St_Johnstone_FC to donate £1 from each ticket sold v #Hearts on Sunday 4 August to the 1874 Fighting Fund. #SaveOurHearts

All respect for St Johnstone has gone.

Thats unbelievable, a team who were knocked out the Scottish cup only 2 seasons ago because of hearts financially doped up squad are now rewarding them for it.
On the plus side it wont be a huge amount when you take away season tickets, and its going to the 1874 painting steps fund anyway.

[God Petrie]

Truly disgusting behaviour from St Johnstone.

[bingo70]

St Johnstone will be thinking it'll attract more hearts fans to the game, and they'll be right, so they'll benefit from it just as much as hearts will.

[Onion]

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Spend way beyond your means. Spend the sugar daddys money that wasn't his. Don't worry help is at hand.

Barry Anderson ‏@BarryAnderson_856m
Nice gesture from @St_Johnstone_FC to donate £1 from each ticket sold v #Hearts on Sunday 4 August to the 1874 Fighting Fund. #SaveOurHearts

All respect for St Johnstone has gone.

That simply must be against basic football/company rules - one club paying money to another club without receiving benefit in return must be regarded as a bribe or have potential to influence the actions/performance of the other. In this case, it has potential to influence the Yams approach to their matches with St J or the Yams matches against those clubs who haven't been so generous to them. Wrong on so many levels and will be challenged - stupid idea.

[Onion]

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Truly disgusting behaviour from St Johnstone.

IMHO it is not legal, within the rules or even within the spirit of the rules. Stupid idea that could open up a whole can of worms with some clubs subsidising other clubs, paying other clubs to play harder in certain games, money changing hands for no apparent reason. Bonkers.

[Waxy]

f£%% st johnstone.
Hope you get pumped out of europe.
And give us Spoony back too.

[Mark79]

£1 from each ticket? Wow £8k probably. They are £20million plus in debt.

Like wee bairns at a pour oot at a Wedding.

[Ozyhibby]

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£1 from each ticket? Wow £8k probably. They are £20million plus in debt.

Like wee bairns at a pour oot at a Wedding.

They are no longer £20m+ in debt, they have walked away from that. All they are doing now is negotiating to buy the club and stadium back debt free.

[Hibeesforever]

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They are no longer £20m+ in debt, they have walked away from that. All they are doing now is negotiating to buy the club and stadium back debt free.

Surely HMRC are going to want to be paid in full though ?
Otherwise, what sort of message does that sent out to the other tax-paying teams in the league.

[CentreLine]

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Spend way beyond your means. Spend the sugar daddys money that wasn't his. Don't worry help is at hand.

Barry Anderson ‏@BarryAnderson_856m
Nice gesture from @St_Johnstone_FC to donate £1 from each ticket sold v #Hearts on Sunday 4 August to the 1874 Fighting Fund. #SaveOurHearts

All respect for St Johnstone has gone.

Quite simply and advertising ploy by St J to encourage more ticket sales. If it gets them a bumper crowd then more power to their elbow IMHO. Especially if they then discover that the rules will not allow the to actually hand over any cash as suggested may be the case by the more knowledgable posters here.

[Ozyhibby]

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Surely HMRC are going to want to be paid in full though ?
Otherwise, what sort of message does that sent out to the other tax-paying teams in the league.

Tough on them, they are not getting that money back.

[Gus Fring]

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Quite simply and advertising ploy by St J to encourage more ticket sales. If it gets them a bumper crowd then more power to their elbow IMHO. Especially if they then discover that the rules will not allow the to actually hand over any cash as suggested may be the case by the more knowledgable posters here.

Exactly, a mere fraction of the overall gate. This is nothing more than a PR gesture, one that allows ST Johnstone the ability to say "Oh well, we tried to help them and it wasn't enough, we done our bit though"

[CropleyWasGod]

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Surely HMRC are going to want to be paid in full though ?
Otherwise, what sort of message does that sent out to the other tax-paying teams in the league.

They can want. They won't get.

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IMHO it is not legal, within the rules or even within the spirit of the rules. Stupid idea that could open up a whole can of worms with some clubs subsidising other clubs, paying other clubs to play harder in certain games, money changing hands for no apparent reason. Bonkers.

Nothing illegal about it.

[rossc]

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Spend way beyond your means. Spend the sugar daddys money that wasn't his. Don't worry help is at hand.

Barry Anderson ‏@BarryAnderson_856m
Nice gesture from @St_Johnstone_FC to donate £1 from each ticket sold v #Hearts on Sunday 4 August to the 1874 Fighting Fund. #SaveOurHearts

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Saints just want to fill the away stand £1 vs £20 odd

[Billy Whizz]

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Saints just want to fill the away stand £1 vs £20 odd

Exactly, don't know why we are getting all worked up about this. Saints just trying to fleece a few extra Jambos to go to the game

[lapsedhibee]

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Exactly, don't know why we are getting all worked up about this. Saints just trying to fleece a few extra Jambos to go to the game

Saintees are being extra cunning here. They're enticing yams to invest £20 or so to get £1. A loss (in non-yamathematics) of £19, which the yams are too dumb to notice. So that's £19 less that each yam sucker will then have available to put into the Save Hearts In Trouble funds. At a stroke the supersaintees will have slashed the ongoing working capital available to HOMFC. Brilliant!

[Treadstone]

If anyone thinks Yams are going to go to a game because they are giving a pound to a fighting fund they are deluded. A PR masterstroke ? Hardly. Just poor form from the Saintees.

[Dunderhall]

Remember the 1874 FF simply subcontract the painters and decorators.

[Treadstone]

Is this going to happen throughout the season ? Madness.

Partick Thistle has very kindly followed in St Johnstone's footsteps and will donate £1 for every adult and concession ticket sold back to Hearts. The club would like to extend its gratitude to both clubs for their help during this time.

http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/2...241384_3346058

[Part/Time Supporter]

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Is this going to happen throughout the season ? Madness.



http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/2...241384_3346058

It will as long as it works economically for the home team. It worked well for St Johnstone, they got ~4000 Hearts fans paying them >£50K, in return they had to pay Hearts £4K. Whereas last season they would have got more like £10K from Hearts visiting fans.

It wouldn't make much sense for Celtic, Hibs and possibly the northern clubs to do it, but I think this will carry on with the other central belt clubs as long as they take above normal travelling supports.

[BarneyK]

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Is this going to happen throughout the season ? Madness.



http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/2...241384_3346058

It's quite a good idea from Partick's point of view I suppose - should encourage more away fans. In general, would this be an idea for all clubs - the away side takes a small percentage of their away support? Would we gain more than we lose?

[Treadstone]

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It will as long as it works economically for the home team. It worked well for St Johnstone, they got ~4000 Hearts fans paying them >£50K, in return they had to pay Hearts £4K. Whereas last season they would have got more like £10K from Hearts visiting fans.

Can't agree. By those figures you suggest that only 800 would normally make that trip. No way. The yams have a decent away support and it was the first game of the season. Who would make the decision to go to a game they wouldn't normally attend because a pound is going back to their club ?

[Geo_1875]

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It will as long as it works economically for the home team. It worked well for St Johnstone, they got ~4000 Hearts fans paying them >£50K, in return they had to pay Hearts £4K. Whereas last season they would have got more like £10K from Hearts visiting fans.

But surely this is a return to teams splitting the gate money. There were many arguments about this a long time ago with the OF and hertz in particular complaining about subsidising less well supported teams. Oh how times change.

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Can't agree. By those figures you suggest that only 800 would normally make that trip. No way. The yams have a decent away support and it was the first game of the season. Who would make the decision to go to a game they wouldn't normally attend because a pound is going back to their club ?

By my calculations, if more than just 100 extra supporters travel then the home club is quids in. At St Johnstone I reckon it could have been as high as 1,000 extra supporters.

What is happening with this offer is that the home club are getting the offer "promoted" both locally and in Edinburgh. The "free" advertising (and "perceived" goodwill of the club) in itself is worth it. Hearts will also promote it, as can be seen on their website, and encourage extra supporters along (#createhistory ) so that they get more cash into BDO's coffers.

It's a win/win for Hearts and the home teams.

[Treadstone]

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By my calculations, if more than just 100 extra supporters travel then the home club is quids in. At St Johnstone I reckon it could have been as high as 1,000 extra supporters.

What is happening with this offer is that the home club are getting the offer "promoted" both locally and in Edinburgh. The "free" advertising (and "perceived" goodwill of the club) in itself is worth it. Hearts will also promote it, as can be seen on their website, and encourage extra supporters along (#createhistory ) so that they get more cash into BDO's coffers.

It's a win/win for Hearts and the home teams.

So 100 extra supporters say @ £25 each (average) = extra £2500 for St Johnstone. 3500 yams = Saintees giving yams £3500.

Yamanomics.

[Geo_1875]

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By my calculations, if more than just 100 extra supporters travel then the home club is quids in. At St Johnstone I reckon it could have been as high as 1,000 extra supporters.

What is happening with this offer is that the home club are getting the offer "promoted" both locally and in Edinburgh. The "free" advertising (and "perceived" goodwill of the club) in itself is worth it. Hearts will also promote it, as can be seen on their website, and encourage extra supporters along (#createhistory ) so that they get more cash into BDO's coffers.

It's a win/win for Hearts and the home teams.

I look forward to Rod announcing that we are giving them money and will reap our reward with lots of goodwill from "them".

[Bostonhibby]

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By my calculations, if more than just 100 extra supporters travel then the home club is quids in. At St Johnstone I reckon it could have been as high as 1,000 extra supporters.

What is happening with this offer is that the home club are getting the offer "promoted" both locally and in Edinburgh. The "free" advertising (and "perceived" goodwill of the club) in itself is worth it. Hearts will also promote it, as can be seen on their website, and encourage extra supporters along (#createhistory ) so that they get more cash into BDO's coffers.

It's a win/win for Hearts and the home teams.

What's a win? Any chance we could introduce it at Easter Road?