Although not strictly hibs related, I have a question that maybe someone on here might be able to answer/talk about.
Since the passing of Laurie Reilly, I have thought about the famous five and the way they played football. I know that back in the day a 2-3-5 formation was played by teams and was a very attacking way to play football. I'd really like to know why this formation/strategy died out? Who the first team to play a modern formation (442,451,352)? What the roles of different players were? Any other information regarding football in this era would be greatly appreciated!
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Thread: Question for the oldies!
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10-08-2013 12:03 AM #1
Question for the oldies!
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10-08-2013 12:10 AM #2
May be wrong but I was always told that the Italians changed it by using more "modern day tactics" might be miles off though...
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10-08-2013 12:27 AM #3
Not sure how much it adds to things, but when Hungary destroyed England 6-3 at Wembley in 1953 I think they were playing 4-4-2, or at least something that was far removed from the "old" way of doing things. It was seismic. It's an incredible game to watch. You can kind of see what Hungary were doing as being related to what we do now. England, on the other hand were playing betamax football (in fairness, we would have done the same, too).
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10-08-2013 12:32 AM #4
You should give the book in the link a look its pretty fascinating
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1890946524
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10-08-2013 12:39 AM #5
Never really trust wikipedia but interesting read
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forma...tion_football)
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10-08-2013 10:31 AM #8
The inside forwards were the powerhouse of the 2,3,5 system and worked fore and aft so that they attacked and defended. I don't remember full backs ever coming up the pitch very far and large, rather pump men could be effective centre halves without moving very much at all.. The essence of the "famous five" was that the forward line changed about as required, a fluid and revolutionary trait which was attributed to a Tottenham team that came later. Lawrie Reilly was as comfortable on the wing as spearheading the attack and this ability was recognised by the Scottish selectors. Pity that the true worth of Gordon Smith was never fully recognised.
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10-08-2013 10:32 AM #9
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Alf Ramsay killed it in early 60s with his England team playing 4-4-2 without wingers and flooding the midfield. After they won the World Cup the formation was copied globally.
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10-08-2013 10:39 AM #10
This is a great book about the evolution of football formations.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Inverting-Py.../dp/1409102041
Also explains why no-one plays 3-5-2 anymore.
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10-08-2013 10:47 AM #11
Weren't Alf Ramsey's team called the 'Wingless Wonders'? I always thought it was a combination of them and the Italians that changed the formations and tactics of the game.
The thing is, it was inevitable it had to change. Can you imagine any club trying 2-3-5 as a formation now? They'd get slaughtered.
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10-08-2013 02:09 PM #13
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Like any formation, 2-3-5 was only as good as the players involved. In general, it was just the latest in a succession of systems which, when used by successful teams, was adopted by others until other formations were devised to counter their strong points. To my mind, having done a bit of coaching, unless you have very technically gifted players, 4-4-2 provides the most stability and balance between attack and defence, without falling into the 'anti-football' of 4-5-1 (see Rangers 2008), or 6-4-0 by you know who for Scotland a couple of years back.
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10-08-2013 05:55 PM #14
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After Johnstone went to Manchester City they played Don Revie as a "deep lying centre forward"with Johnstone pushed forward.Tommy Walker adopted it for Hearts in a 4-2-4 formation with Jimmy Wardaugh and Alex Young taking turns of playing in midfield and Hearts were unstoppable that season.Walker of course got pelters from Hearts fans and the press accused him of playing defensive football(record goal scorers needless to say-the press are always on top of things).
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10-08-2013 06:52 PM #15This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
In the early 1950's our manager tried a "W" system
C/F , two wingers up front and 8 and 10 dropping in just behind " to provide the passes "
Was fine until late in the second half when the two wingers were knackered running up and down the park .
Made for exciting football - but it was a case of " everything will be fine if we score more at that end than we let in at our end " ( managers words .)
As you rightly say fullbacks had a " nose bleed " if they came over the halfway line !!
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10-08-2013 07:18 PM #16
I understood it was Alf Ramsey with his Ipswich team who won the league against the odds in the early 60s.
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10-08-2013 08:38 PM #18
Football formations
The system I remember most people were talking about was called the Cattanachio(might be the wrong name there), it was a system played by the Italians, also seem to remember it was a very defensive system. :pfgwa
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10-08-2013 10:16 PM #19
Barca play with a very attacking formation 4-3-3 but when the wing backs went forward it turns to a 2-5-3 / 2-3-5 formation, they play without a real striker more like 3-4 attacking players.
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Last edited by G-Reg; 10-08-2013 at 11:59 PM.
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11-08-2013 12:04 AM #21
I remember watching on in amazement from the old terracing one Saturday afternoon when Mixu just totally panicked and chucked 5 up front!lol They were all just crashing into each other and getting in the way! There was literally zero service to them due to us having about one midfielder. Can anyone remember who the 5 strikers were?
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30-08-2013 06:34 PM #23
Quick thanks to those who recommended "Inverting The Pyramid". Ordered it on the strength of this thread and it's an excellent read.
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