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[Speedway]

After the witch hunt, a little bit (only a little) of common sense.

- Malmo are the best side I've ever seen at ER. They could p**s the SPL or SPFL or whatever.

- See the fans still there at the end of the game, they are representitive of the size of support Hibs can actually count on for income week in, week out and base the budgets on. Sorry boys, we're a small club with a small recurring support. Don't let the size of the stands fool you. McDiarmid park would be big enough for us most weeks.

- Scott Lindsay was looking conspicuous in his civvies and terrorist back pack in the west.

- Williams has largely escaped the wrath of the .net hoards despite being at fault for at least two of the goals.

- Whilst Mullen is young and can't defend, if you're looking for our first overlapping full back since Whittaker, there he is.

- McPake is where most of my blame lies for the collapse. I haven't seen that much diving in since I was last at a swimming gala. He's let the side down horribly after declaring himself fit, because none of the prep will have been done with the back four that played two thirds of the match.

- Forster, again I know we like to hate as many as we can, but this boy will turn out to be exceptional. Given he's a teenager with only single figure appearances for Hibs to his name, he's our best defender by a mile. I wish everyone had the look of fight and grit that he had as he got swamped by the Malmo attacks. He's not a pretty lad, but that's beside the point.

- Stevenson didn't show us anything we didn't already know.

- Harris found out what a game that's too big for him feels like.

- Thomson could not be arsed.

- Taiwo worked hard but was up against much better players and had no support from his mates.

- Craig was a major disappointment, offered us nothing at all. Poor display.

- Handling? See Harris.

- Vine, sorry boys, he's a non-league player. I've seen many of them and he's one. Not sure why we've gone for him.

And I've forgotten Hanlon which sums him up. Anonymous.

Now, for all the negativity, if you're still with me, I'm not advocating the sacking of Fenlon. Why not? I hear shouted by no-one.

Well two reasons:

1. Everyone in the game has suggested repeatedly that to turn a turd like Hibs around, a manager has to be given a minimum of 3 years as Levein was at the Arabs. He's had less than two so far but sack him and his team and you remove cash from yet another manager who the fans will want booted out after a couple of transfer windows. Fenlon may not be good enough and certainly isn't helping his stock to rise, but he ain't the problem.

Here's what everyone appears to be missing.

Hibernian is an underfunded business, carrying debt, in a poor footballing nation with a 'let's just not go bust' attitude at the top and with an increasing reputation for non-supportive support.

That is what is toxic.

Who here would want us to appoint Tommy Wright and sign the likes of Mannus? I wouldn't but that's because I keep making the mistake of thinking that we're a big club and having the expectations to match. We're not and we don't have ambitious ownership, so I keep getting let down when any intelligent person watching football as long as I have would know better.

It's not pretty, it's not enjoyable but as Collins, Mixu, Yogi and Calderclown have all shown, Hibs is where you come to get your reputation ruined so why do we think any other manager would suddenly change the wider issues?

[Hibs7]

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After the witch hunt, a little bit (only a little) of common sense.

- Malmo are the best side I've ever seen at ER. They could p**s the SPL or SPFL or whatever.

- See the fans still there at the end of the game, they are representitive of the size of support Hibs can actually count on for income week in, week out and base the budgets on. Sorry boys, we're a small club with a small recurring support. Don't let the size of the stands fool you. McDiarmid park would be big enough for us most weeks.

- Scott Lindsay was looking conspicuous in his civvies and terrorist back pack in the west.

- Williams has largely escaped the wrath of the .net hoards despite being at fault for at least two of the goals.

- Whilst Mullen is young and can't defend, if you're looking for our first overlapping full back since Whittaker, there he is.

- McPake is where most of my blame lies for the collapse. I haven't seen that much diving in since I was last at a swimming gala. He's let the side down horribly after declaring himself fit, because none of the prep will have been done with the back four that played two thirds of the match.

- Forster, again I know we like to hate as many as we can, but this boy will turn out to be exceptional. Given he's a teenager with only single figure appearances for Hibs to his name, he's our best defender by a mile. I wish everyone had the look of fight and grit that he had as he got swamped by the Malmo attacks. He's not a pretty lad, but that's beside the point.

- Stevenson didn't show us anything we didn't already know.

- Harris found out what a game that's too big for him feels like.

- Thomson could not be arsed.

- Taiwo worked hard but was up against much better players and had no support from his mates.

- Craig was a major disappointment, offered us nothing at all. Poor display.

- Handling? See Harris.

- Vine, sorry boys, he's a non-league player. I've seen many of them and he's one. Not sure why we've gone for him.

And I've forgotten Hanlon which sums him up. Anonymous.

Now, for all the negativity, if you're still with me, I'm not advocating the sacking of Fenlon. Why not? I hear shouted by no-one.

Well two reasons:

1. Everyone in the game has suggested repeatedly that to turn a turd like Hibs around, a manager has to be given a minimum of 3 years as Levein was at the Arabs. He's had less than two so far but sack him and his team and you remove cash from yet another manager who the fans will want booted out after a couple of transfer windows. Fenlon may not be good enough and certainly isn't helping his stock to rise, but he ain't the problem.

Here's what everyone appears to be missing.

Hibernian is an underfunded business, carrying debt, in a poor footballing nation with a 'let's just not go bust' attitude at the top and with an increasing reputation for non-supportive support.

That is what is toxic.

Who here would want us to appoint Tommy Wright and sign the likes of Mannus? I wouldn't but that's because I keep making the mistake of thinking that we're a big club and having the expectations to match. We're not and we don't have ambitious ownership, so I keep getting let down when any intelligent person watching football as long as I have would know better.

It's not pretty, it's not enjoyable but as Collins, Mixu, Yogi and Calderclown have all shown, Hibs is where you come to get your reputation ruined so why do we think any other manager would suddenly change the wider issues?

A lot of common sense in there ... Especially about changing the manager ... Craig needs to be played in the correct position and Vine is not a lone striker .. Never will be but will score goals .

[Stevie Reid]

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After the witch hunt, a little bit (only a little) of common sense.

- Malmo are the best side I've ever seen at ER. They could p**s the SPL or SPFL or whatever.

- See the fans still there at the end of the game, they are representitive of the size of support Hibs can actually count on for income week in, week out and base the budgets on. Sorry boys, we're a small club with a small recurring support. Don't let the size of the stands fool you. McDiarmid park would be big enough for us most weeks.

- Scott Lindsay was looking conspicuous in his civvies and terrorist back pack in the west.

- Williams has largely escaped the wrath of the .net hoards despite being at fault for at least two of the goals.

- Whilst Mullen is young and can't defend, if you're looking for our first overlapping full back since Whittaker, there he is.

- McPake is where most of my blame lies for the collapse. I haven't seen that much diving in since I was last at a swimming gala. He's let the side down horribly after declaring himself fit, because none of the prep will have been done with the back four that played two thirds of the match.

- Forster, again I know we like to hate as many as we can, but this boy will turn out to be exceptional. Given he's a teenager with only single figure appearances for Hibs to his name, he's our best defender by a mile. I wish everyone had the look of fight and grit that he had as he got swamped by the Malmo attacks. He's not a pretty lad, but that's beside the point.

- Stevenson didn't show us anything we didn't already know.

- Harris found out what a game that's too big for him feels like.

- Thomson could not be arsed.

- Taiwo worked hard but was up against much better players and had no support from his mates.

- Craig was a major disappointment, offered us nothing at all. Poor display.

- Handling? See Harris.

- Vine, sorry boys, he's a non-league player. I've seen many of them and he's one. Not sure why we've gone for him.

And I've forgotten Hanlon which sums him up. Anonymous.

Now, for all the negativity, if you're still with me, I'm not advocating the sacking of Fenlon. Why not? I hear shouted by no-one.

Well two reasons:

1. Everyone in the game has suggested repeatedly that to turn a turd like Hibs around, a manager has to be given a minimum of 3 years as Levein was at the Arabs. He's had less than two so far but sack him and his team and you remove cash from yet another manager who the fans will want booted out after a couple of transfer windows. Fenlon may not be good enough and certainly isn't helping his stock to rise, but he ain't the problem.

Here's what everyone appears to be missing.

Hibernian is an underfunded business, carrying debt, in a poor footballing nation with a 'let's just not go bust' attitude at the top and with an increasing reputation for non-supportive support.

That is what is toxic.

Who here would want us to appoint Tommy Wright and sign the likes of Mannus? I wouldn't but that's because I keep making the mistake of thinking that we're a big club and having the expectations to match. We're not and we don't have ambitious ownership, so I keep getting let down when any intelligent person watching football as long as I have would know better.

It's not pretty, it's not enjoyable but as Collins, Mixu, Yogi and Calderclown have all shown, Hibs is where you come to get your reputation ruined so why do we think any other manager would suddenly change the wider issues?

Good post, with numerous interesting points.

Only one I want to pick up on is Liam Craig - certainly not writing him off but I was really pleased when he signed and I didn't recognise him at all last night, took next to no responsibility given that he was one of our most experienced and creative players on show.

[Hibbyradge]

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After the witch hunt, a little bit (only a little) of common sense.

- Malmo are the best side I've ever seen at ER. They could p**s the SPL or SPFL or whatever.

- See the fans still there at the end of the game, they are representitive of the size of support Hibs can actually count on for income week in, week out and base the budgets on. Sorry boys, we're a small club with a small recurring support. Don't let the size of the stands fool you. McDiarmid park would be big enough for us most weeks.

- Scott Lindsay was looking conspicuous in his civvies and terrorist back pack in the west.

- Williams has largely escaped the wrath of the .net hoards despite being at fault for at least two of the goals.

- Whilst Mullen is young and can't defend, if you're looking for our first overlapping full back since Whittaker, there he is.

- McPake is where most of my blame lies for the collapse. I haven't seen that much diving in since I was last at a swimming gala. He's let the side down horribly after declaring himself fit, because none of the prep will have been done with the back four that played two thirds of the match.

- Forster, again I know we like to hate as many as we can, but this boy will turn out to be exceptional. Given he's a teenager with only single figure appearances for Hibs to his name, he's our best defender by a mile. I wish everyone had the look of fight and grit that he had as he got swamped by the Malmo attacks. He's not a pretty lad, but that's beside the point.

- Stevenson didn't show us anything we didn't already know.

- Harris found out what a game that's too big for him feels like.

- Thomson could not be arsed.

- Taiwo worked hard but was up against much better players and had no support from his mates.

- Craig was a major disappointment, offered us nothing at all. Poor display.

- Handling? See Harris.

- Vine, sorry boys, he's a non-league player. I've seen many of them and he's one. Not sure why we've gone for him.

And I've forgotten Hanlon which sums him up. Anonymous.

Now, for all the negativity, if you're still with me, I'm not advocating the sacking of Fenlon. Why not? I hear shouted by no-one.

Well two reasons:

1. Everyone in the game has suggested repeatedly that to turn a turd like Hibs around, a manager has to be given a minimum of 3 years as Levein was at the Arabs. He's had less than two so far but sack him and his team and you remove cash from yet another manager who the fans will want booted out after a couple of transfer windows. Fenlon may not be good enough and certainly isn't helping his stock to rise, but he ain't the problem.

Here's what everyone appears to be missing.

Hibernian is an underfunded business, carrying debt, in a poor footballing nation with a 'let's just not go bust' attitude at the top and with an increasing reputation for non-supportive support.

That is what is toxic.

Who here would want us to appoint Tommy Wright and sign the likes of Mannus? I wouldn't but that's because I keep making the mistake of thinking that we're a big club and having the expectations to match. We're not and we don't have ambitious ownership, so I keep getting let down when any intelligent person watching football as long as I have would know better.

It's not pretty, it's not enjoyable but as Collins, Mixu, Yogi and Calderclown have all shown, Hibs is where you come to get your reputation ruined so why do we think any other manager would suddenly change the wider issues?

I thought Thomson looked good and i disagree with you about Vine.

[Treadstone]

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1. Everyone in the game has suggested repeatedly that to turn a turd like Hibs around, a manager has to be given a minimum of 3 years as Levein was at the Arabs.

Let's not make up things to suit your point of view. Everyone.

[Beefster]

You're right about Vine and wrong about how good Malmo are and about how Fenlon needs more time.

[Hermit Crab]

Handling hasn't got it for me I'm afraid. Craig played out of position. Young Harris marked out the game. Vine crowded out. Thomson static. Stevenson just why is he at right back. Mcpake, see you.

[Speedway]

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Let's not make up things to suit your point of view. Everyone.

Allow me to clarify. 'Everyone' as in pundits who have been asked to comment of the Hibs Manager's 'hotseat'.

The club includes, Hughes, Collins, Strachan, Lexo (who didn't specify 3 years but rather, 'needs time'), Hendry, Booth, Bonner and that's all I can think of to be fair.

[Treadstone]

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Allow me to clarify. 'Everyone' as in pundits who have been asked to comment of the Hibs Manager's 'hotseat'.

The club includes, Hughes, Collins, Strachan, Lexo (who didn't specify 3 years but rather, 'needs time'), Hendry, Booth, Bonner and that's all I can think of to be fair.

Seven names and only one currently occupying a managerial position. I heard several people commenting that he would need at least two or three transfer windows. We are in the fourth window of his tenure and the team is his and that performance was as bad as anything seen at ER in the last four or five seasons and thats being kind.

[Speedway]

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You're right about Vine and wrong about how good Malmo are and about how Fenlon needs more time.

I'm right about Vine, right about how good Malmo are and I was quoting others regarding Fenlon.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i actually think vine was one of our better players last night, at least he showed a bit of urgency and wasn't afraid to chase the ball

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i actually think vine was one of our better players last night, at least he showed a bit of urgency and wasn't afraid to chase the ball

I remember him winning a header in the first half.

ps this is kind of a piss take and actually serious at the same time

[cabbageandribs1875]

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I remember him winning a header in the first half.

which is one header more than a couple of our defenders actually won




p.s. he also took his 'non-goal' very well :)

[Speedway]

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i actually think vine was one of our better players last night, at least he showed a bit of urgency and wasn't afraid to chase the ball

...which in he did in a way that made Kuqi look like Usain Bolt.

[PeterboroHibee]

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Handling hasn't got it for me I'm afraid. Craig played out of position. Young Harris marked out the game. Vine crowded out. Thomson static. Stevenson just why is he at right back. Mcpake, see you.

Agree with all of that, especially about Handling - I see lots of praise for him, and he does work hard, but I really dont understand his role and what he brings to the team.

[StevesFamau5]

Thomson was not bad just at times the short passes and flick passes reminded me of school (played against him a bit) and it was the exact same only at school level that **** worked. Malmo however are not school level... That was my only criticism

[bigwheel]

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After the witch hunt, a little bit (only a little) of common sense.

- Malmo are the best side I've ever seen at ER. They could p**s the SPL or SPFL or whatever.

- See the fans still there at the end of the game, they are representitive of the size of support Hibs can actually count on for income week in, week out and base the budgets on. Sorry boys, we're a small club with a small recurring support. Don't let the size of the stands fool you. McDiarmid park would be big enough for us most weeks.

- Scott Lindsay was looking conspicuous in his civvies and terrorist back pack in the west.

- Williams has largely escaped the wrath of the .net hoards despite being at fault for at least two of the goals.

- Whilst Mullen is young and can't defend, if you're looking for our first overlapping full back since Whittaker, there he is.

- McPake is where most of my blame lies for the collapse. I haven't seen that much diving in since I was last at a swimming gala. He's let the side down horribly after declaring himself fit, because none of the prep will have been done with the back four that played two thirds of the match.

- Forster, again I know we like to hate as many as we can, but this boy will turn out to be exceptional. Given he's a teenager with only single figure appearances for Hibs to his name, he's our best defender by a mile. I wish everyone had the look of fight and grit that he had as he got swamped by the Malmo attacks. He's not a pretty lad, but that's beside the point.

- Stevenson didn't show us anything we didn't already know.

- Harris found out what a game that's too big for him feels like.

- Thomson could not be arsed.

- Taiwo worked hard but was up against much better players and had no support from his mates.

- Craig was a major disappointment, offered us nothing at all. Poor display.

- Handling? See Harris.

- Vine, sorry boys, he's a non-league player. I've seen many of them and he's one. Not sure why we've gone for him.

And I've forgotten Hanlon which sums him up. Anonymous.

Now, for all the negativity, if you're still with me, I'm not advocating the sacking of Fenlon. Why not? I hear shouted by no-one.

Well two reasons:

1. Everyone in the game has suggested repeatedly that to turn a turd like Hibs around, a manager has to be given a minimum of 3 years as Levein was at the Arabs. He's had less than two so far but sack him and his team and you remove cash from yet another manager who the fans will want booted out after a couple of transfer windows. Fenlon may not be good enough and certainly isn't helping his stock to rise, but he ain't the problem.

Here's what everyone appears to be missing.

Hibernian is an underfunded business, carrying debt, in a poor footballing nation with a 'let's just not go bust' attitude at the top and with an increasing reputation for non-supportive support.

That is what is toxic.

Who here would want us to appoint Tommy Wright and sign the likes of Mannus? I wouldn't but that's because I keep making the mistake of thinking that we're a big club and having the expectations to match. We're not and we don't have ambitious ownership, so I keep getting let down when any intelligent person watching football as long as I have would know better.

It's not pretty, it's not enjoyable but as Collins, Mixu, Yogi and Calderclown have all shown, Hibs is where you come to get your reputation ruined so why do we think any other manager would suddenly change the wider issues?

I agree with a lot of that Speedway...A few points I cant agree with.

Firstly, Malmo would walk the SPFL....they would come second to Celtic. They have some high quality players (centre forward, their captain), but nowhere near to strength in depth that Celtic have..They had a perfect night at the office - their other results show they are not world beaters

Secondly, Thomson comment is way off the mark...for a chunk of the game, he was the only quality contribution we had.

Some of your points are so right though - Harris for example - what a lesson he got last night...he will have learned a lot from that...

[cabbageandribs1875]

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...which in he did in a way that made Kuqi look like Usain Bolt.

it's his beard, the wind gets trapped in it and that will slow him down a little

[Spike Mandela]

Reads like a manifesto for reasons not to bother going along to Easter Road. It's a wonder so many of us idiots do.

[Hibercelona]

It's easy to say that Malmo would pish all over the SPFL after our own club has just been stuffed by them.

But I think it's a bit disrespectful to other clubs in the league that would have made a good game of it, even if they didn't manage to win.

Malmo are nowhere near as good as we made them look. And they won't have an easier game than that in Europe ever.

[Big Frank]

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After the witch hunt, a little bit (only a little) of common sense.

- Malmo are the best side I've ever seen at ER. They could p**s the SPL or SPFL or whatever.

Wow! Thats a statement. I've seen much much better. Before they scored their first last night, quite a few times they couldnt keep possession (without any pressure from our boys (coz they definately are a buch of wee boys) and they ball ended up going out. This team are nae great shakes and should get papped by an unfit Swansea. imho

- See the fans still there at the end of the game, they are representitive of the size of support Hibs can actually count on for income week in, week out and base the budgets on.

Agreed


Sorry boys, we're a small club with a small recurring support. Don't let the size of the stands fool you. McDiarmid park would be big enough for us most weeks.

Disagree. Put a proper team on the park (consistantly) and Hibernian are anything but a small club Speedway. If ever there was a sleeping giant its Hibernian. McDairmid park would be ok for us at present.... because we have beasically honked since the final whistle of the Laegue Cup Final in 2007.

- Scott Lindsay was looking conspicuous in his civvies and terrorist back pack in the west.

- Williams has largely escaped the wrath of the .net hoards despite being at fault for at least two of the goals.

Agreed.

- Whilst Mullen is young and can't defend, if you're looking for our first overlapping full back since Whittaker, there he is.

Again, correct

- McPake is where most of my blame lies for the collapse. I haven't seen that much diving in since I was last at a swimming gala. He's let the side down horribly after declaring himself fit, because none of the prep will have been done with the back four that played two thirds of the match.


- Forster, again I know we like to hate as many as we can, but this boy will turn out to be exceptional. Given he's a teenager with only single figure appearances for Hibs to his name, he's our best defender by a mile. I wish everyone had the look of fight and grit that he had as he got swamped by the Malmo attacks. He's not a pretty lad, but that's beside the point.

- Stevenson didn't show us anything we didn't already know.

- Harris found out what a game that's too big for him feels like.

Spot on with all points imo

- Thomson could not be arsed.

Disagree with this, I think he was comfortably out best player in the first half. Thought he covered far more ground than anyone else in our "midfield"

- Taiwo worked hard but was up against much better players and had no support from his mates.

Yep, thought TT was was very ineffective last night

- Craig was a major disappointment, offered us nothing at all. Poor display.

- Handling? See Harris.

I agree on both points here

- Vine, sorry boys, he's a non-league player. I've seen many of them and he's one. Not sure why we've gone for him.

Spot on

And I've forgotten Hanlon which sums him up. Anonymous.

He is very forgetable unfortunately. One excellant game every 10. One solid game every 6 or seven games.... otherwise he gets completely dominated all the time imo

Now, for all the negativity, if you're still with me, I'm not advocating the sacking of Fenlon. Why not? I hear shouted by no-one.

Well two reasons:

1. Everyone in the game has suggested repeatedly that to turn a turd like Hibs around, a manager has to be given a minimum of 3 years as Levein was at the Arabs. He's had less than two so far but sack him and his team and you remove cash from yet another manager who the fans will want booted out after a couple of transfer windows. Fenlon may not be good enough and certainly isn't helping his stock to rise, but he ain't the problem.

This is true, and with the last 3 sackings of managers, this may be Paddys only grace, ie can Hibernian really go throught this circus of hiring and firing guff managers.... whats alarming seems to be the that this guy is out of his depth. However, his football is crap. His teams are crap to watch. They are just crap football teams. Bog standard hoofball. The defeat to the merricks in the cup final and the humiliating result from last night just tells me he MUST resign.

Here's what everyone appears to be missing.

Hibernian is an underfunded business, carrying debt, in a poor footballing nation with a 'let's just not go bust' attitude at the top and with an increasing reputation for non-supportive support.

100% correct!

That is what is toxic.

Who here would want us to appoint Tommy Wright and sign the likes of Mannus? I wouldn't but that's because I keep making the mistake of thinking that we're a big club and having the expectations to match. We're not and we don't have ambitious ownership, so I keep getting let down when any intelligent person watching football as long as I have would know better.

Correct again. No ambitious ownership.

It's not pretty, it's not enjoyable but as Collins, Mixu, Yogi and Calderclown have all shown, Hibs is where you come to get your reputation ruined so why do we think any other manager would suddenly change the wider issues?

Great post Speedway I've put some of my thoughts in bold

[Speedway]

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I agree with a lot of that Speedway...A few points I cant agree with.

Firstly, Malmo would walk the SPFL....they would come second to Celtic. They have some high quality players (centre forward, their captain), but nowhere near to strength in depth that Celtic have..They had a perfect night at the office - their other results show they are not world beaters

Secondly, Thomson comment is way off the mark...for a chunk of the game, he was the only quality contribution we had.

Some of your points are so right though - Harris for example - what a lesson he got last night...he will have learned a lot from that...

Regarding Thomson, I posted that he couldn't be arsed, not that he isn't a quality player.

What I mean is that he is a senior player, one with champions league experience. He is supposedly at Hibs supporter too. I was looking to him to gee up the troops, get his arm around other players and basically carry out the work of a leader with a work rate that was faultless.

What I saw was a lot of standing around with hands on hips mingled with the odd tackle and pass.

In my view, that is not being arsed.

[Alex Trager]

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...which in he did in a way that made Kuqi look like Usain Bolt.

Got to say I disagree about vine. We've seen him what max five times and you think he's a pub team, or whatever you said, type player. I thought him and handling were ok last night, just outclassed. Some of their linkup was good. Jury is still out on both however.

As far as Harris is concerned I feel that people need to look to beef him up, quite a lot. Not saying get him fat, make him bigger. Obviously he is a young small lad but it can be done.
I feel he was too easily pushed off the ball.

Agree about Thompson. Looked as though he couldn't give a ****. Same with Craig.

I'm still lost for words to be honest

[Hedlund12]

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it's his beard, the wind gets trapped in it and that will slow him down a little

[Since90+2]

It was the exact same after Maribor people on here claiming they were world beaters and would walk the SPL ect ect

Malmo are a pretty decent team , no more than that. I would fancy Celtic to beat them over two legs.

[Speedway]

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It was the exact same after Maribor people on here claiming they were world beaters and would walk the SPL ect ect

Malmo are a pretty decent team , no more than that. I would fancy Celtic to beat them over two legs.

It does look a lot like last night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nsLfq3sDEA

[Treadstone]

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It was the exact same after Maribor people on here claiming they were world beaters and would walk the SPL ect ect

Malmo are a pretty decent team , no more than that. I would fancy Celtic to beat them over two legs.

I think they would finish second in SPFL and closer to Celtic than Motherwell did.

If Motherwell beat us 0-7 at Easter Road though we would burn the place down and no one would blame us.

[The Falcon]

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It was the exact same after Maribor people on here claiming they were world beaters and would walk the SPL ect ect

Malmo are a pretty decent team , no more than that. I would fancy Celtic to beat them over two legs.

Did Maribor not knock Old Rangers out at the preliminary stages?

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Agree with all of that, especially about Handling - I see lots of praise for him, and he does work hard, but I really dont understand his role and what he brings to the team.

He doesn't really do anything on the park. Maybe under the right guidance he'll do well in the team but under fenlons guise I think he's swimming against the ride is young Danny.

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Did Maribor not knock Old Rangers out at the preliminary stages?

Yes.