A perfect storm

[Hibbyradge]

Perfect storm (noun)

A detrimental or calamitous situation or event arising from the powerful combined effect of a unique set of circumstances

Last night was truly horrible, but it seems to me that everything did come together at exactly the same time to create the circumstances which allowed it to happen.

Firstly, let's not kid ourselves, Malmo are a good side. As early as the first minute or so, my mate said "this lot know what they're doing" or words to that effect and they went on to prove him right with an impressive and ruthless performance.

We didn't have a goal scorer on the park and I said on one of the threads that I didn't think we could possibly overturn the first leg deficit as we wouldn't score.

Malmo knew we had no cutting edge, but they also knew that if they conceded one, we might create some momentum. Our best chance would have been from a set piece, so Malmo didn't concede any free kicks. However, as soon as they scored, they knew the tie was beyond any last doubt so they abandoned all caution and ripped into us, knowing that should we win the ball, we couldn't capitalise on it.

On more than one occasion, Malmo let us come at them, took the ball of us and within 5 seconds, had 6 or 7 players attacking us at speed around or in our 18 yard box. They wouldn't have been so cavalier had we posed them a threat at the back.

Our right and left backs were injured so we had to redeploy our centre half and use Stevenson again. Why they were played on the left and right respectively, I'm not sure, but I can only imagine it was a vain attempt to counter their forwards cutting inside.

Then, our captain injured himself trying to clear the Malmo attack which led to their killer first goal. So, after 20 minutes we found ourself 3 - 0 down, with a weakened defence which was already makeshift, and no goalscorers. The best managers in the world couldn't have stopped us from getting gubbed.

I understand people being angry and I was sickened by it, but we need to view the thing with some perspective too.

[Keith_M]

Oh well, that's all OK then.

[Hibbyradge]

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Oh well, that's all OK then.

Yes, that's what I said.

[hibIBZ]

Things went wrong and they are a decent side so it's ok that we didn't bother trying and played a ridiculous system...... Rolls eyes ( on phone) can't believe people are even attempting to defend anything about the way we played last night

[BarneyK]

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Perfect storm (noun)

A detrimental or calamitous situation or event arising from the powerful combined effect of a unique set of circumstances

Last night was truly horrible, but it seems to me that everything did come together at exactly the same time to create the circumstances which allowed it to happen.

Firstly, let's not kid ourselves, Malmo are a good side. As early as the first minute or so, my mate said "this lot know what they're doing" or words to that effect and they went on to prove him right with an impressive and ruthless performance.

We didn't have a goal scorer on the park and I said on one of the threads that I didn't think we could possibly overturn the first leg deficit as we wouldn't score.

Malmo knew we had no cutting edge, but they also knew that if they conceded one, we might create some momentum. Our best chance would have been from a set piece, so Malmo didn't concede any free kicks. However, as soon as they scored, they knew the tie was beyond any last doubt so they abandoned all caution and ripped into us, knowing that should we win the ball, we couldn't capitalise on it.

On more than one occasion, Malmo let us come at them, took the ball of us and within 5 seconds, had 6 or 7 players attacking us at speed around or in our 18 yard box. They wouldn't have been so cavalier had we posed them a threat at the back.

Our right and left backs were injured so we had to redeploy our centre half and use Stevenson again. Why they were played on the left and right respectively, I'm not sure, but I can only imagine it was a vain attempt to counter their forwards cutting inside.

Then, our captain injured himself trying to clear the Malmo attack which led to their killer first goal. So, after 20 minutes we found ourself 3 - 0 down, with a weakened defence which was already makeshift, and no goalscorers. The best managers in the world couldn't have stopped us from getting gubbed.

I understand people being angry and I was sickened by it, but we need to view the thing with some perspective too.

Presumably they could have - seeing as we were losing Leigh Griffiths - ensured that we signed some attacking threat? The players look absolutely devoid of any confidence in themselves or in the system. I honestly don't know who's to blame for that. It must be said though, many other "smaller" sides always seem to make a better fist of it than us - the St Johnstone result being a prime example.

[Beefster]

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Perfect storm (noun)

A detrimental or calamitous situation or event arising from the powerful combined effect of a unique set of circumstances

Last night was truly horrible, but it seems to me that everything did come together at exactly the same time to create the circumstances which allowed it to happen.

Firstly, let's not kid ourselves, Malmo are a good side. As early as the first minute or so, my mate said "this lot know what they're doing" or words to that effect and they went on to prove him right with an impressive and ruthless performance.

We didn't have a goal scorer on the park and I said on one of the threads that I didn't think we could possibly overturn the first leg deficit as we wouldn't score.

Malmo knew we had no cutting edge, but they also knew that if they conceded one, we might create some momentum. Our best chance would have been from a set piece, so Malmo didn't concede any free kicks. However, as soon as they scored, they knew the tie was beyond any last doubt so they abandoned all caution and ripped into us, knowing that should we win the ball, we couldn't capitalise on it.

On more than one occasion, Malmo let us come at them, took the ball of us and within 5 seconds, had 6 or 7 players attacking us at speed around or in our 18 yard box. They wouldn't have been so cavalier had we posed them a threat at the back.

Our right and left backs were injured so we had to redeploy our centre half and use Stevenson again. Why they were played on the left and right respectively, I'm not sure, but I can only imagine it was a vain attempt to counter their forwards cutting inside.

Then, our captain injured himself trying to clear the Malmo attack which led to their killer first goal. So, after 20 minutes we found ourself 3 - 0 down, with a weakened defence which was already makeshift, and no goalscorers. The best managers in the world couldn't have stopped us from getting gubbed.

I understand people being angry and I was sickened by it, but we need to view the thing with some perspective too.

So now that you've justified the result and looked at it with some perspective, you will be buying that season ticket after all?

[HibbySpurs]

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Perfect storm (noun)

A detrimental or calamitous situation or event arising from the powerful combined effect of a unique set of circumstances

Last night was truly horrible, but it seems to me that everything did come together at exactly the same time to create the circumstances which allowed it to happen.

Firstly, let's not kid ourselves, Malmo are a good side. As early as the first minute or so, my mate said "this lot know what they're doing" or words to that effect and they went on to prove him right with an impressive and ruthless performance.

We didn't have a goal scorer on the park and I said on one of the threads that I didn't think we could possibly overturn the first leg deficit as we wouldn't score.

Malmo knew we had no cutting edge, but they also knew that if they conceded one, we might create some momentum. Our best chance would have been from a set piece, so Malmo didn't concede any free kicks. However, as soon as they scored, they knew the tie was beyond any last doubt so they abandoned all caution and ripped into us, knowing that should we win the ball, we couldn't capitalise on it.

On more than one occasion, Malmo let us come at them, took the ball of us and within 5 seconds, had 6 or 7 players attacking us at speed around or in our 18 yard box. They wouldn't have been so cavalier had we posed them a threat at the back.

Our right and left backs were injured so we had to redeploy our centre half and use Stevenson again. Why they were played on the left and right respectively, I'm not sure, but I can only imagine it was a vain attempt to counter their forwards cutting inside.

Then, our captain injured himself trying to clear the Malmo attack which led to their killer first goal. So, after 20 minutes we found ourself 3 - 0 down, with a weakened defence which was already makeshift, and no goalscorers. The best managers in the world couldn't have stopped us from getting gubbed.

I understand people being angry and I was sickened by it, but we need to view the thing with some perspective too.

Very well summarised HR .... I think the level of bed-wetting & knee jerking going on here today is a bit out of proportion. Yes we're all very angry and peed off but baying for the manager's head on a plate really is not the answer today (IMHO)...

The thing is the manager simply has to learn from last night and take that forward into the new campaign. We simply have to be better than last night tactically and show a bit more guille.

We've signed a new striker and hopefully when players are fit we can play a team with players slotted into proper positions.

Think we really need a new CH above all else as I just cant see when McPake will 100% fit again and we need to stop taking chances by playing players who arent 100% fit. If they are not fit, play someone who is, who even if out of position can at least chase & fight........

[Hibbyradge]

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Things went wrong and they are a decent side so it's ok that we didn't bother trying and played a ridiculous system...... Rolls eyes ( on phone) can't believe people are even attempting to defend anything about the way we played last night

You know there's a difference between defending something and looking at the reasons for it happening.

[Beefster]

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Very well summarised HR .... I think the level of bed-wetting & knee jerking going on here today is a bit out of proportion. Yes we're all very angry and peed off but baying for the manager's head on a plate really is not the answer today (IMHO)...

The thing is the manager simply has to learn from last night and take that forward into the new campaign. We simply have to be better than last night tactically and show a bit more guille.

We've signed a new striker and hopefully when players are fit we can play a team with players slotted into proper positions.

Think we really need a new CH above all else as I just cant see when McPake will 100% fit again and we need to stop taking chances by playing players who arent 100% fit. If they are not fit, play someone who is, who even if out of position can at least chase & fight........

How should we react to the worst European result in Scottish footballing history, our worst home defeat in the last two centuries and our third big game humping in 14 months? Just for future reference.

[southsider]

Is it hell ok. An absolute capulation, and not for the first time either. Shows our players have hearts the size of peas. No tactics, no leadership and no pace and we go try to sign another "slow" forward. Genius.

[Andy74]

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Things went wrong and they are a decent side so it's ok that we didn't bother trying and played a ridiculous system...... Rolls eyes ( on phone) can't believe people are even attempting to defend anything about the way we played last night

So the system almost everyone wanted to play all of last year is now ridiculous?

If he had gone 451 we would still have lost and he would have been slated for not going for it. There were posts yesterday already suggesting he was going to be too tight and defensive.

I'm not defending the result at all but the opening post is a good one with some perspective.

[Keith_M]

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Very well summarised HR .... I think the level of bed-wetting & knee jerking going on here today is a bit out of proportion. Yes we're all very angry and peed off but baying for the manager's head on a plate really is not the answer today (IMHO)...

The thing is the manager simply has to learn from last night and take that forward into the new campaign. We simply have to be better than last night tactically and show a bit more guille.

We've signed a new striker and hopefully when players are fit we can play a team with players slotted into proper positions.

Think we really need a new CH above all else as I just cant see when McPake will 100% fit again and we need to stop taking chances by playing players who arent 100% fit. If they are not fit, play someone who is, who even if out of position can at least chase & fight........

Bed Wetting and Knee Jerking?

Seriously?

[Last Minute]

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Perfect storm (noun)

A detrimental or calamitous situation or event arising from the powerful combined effect of a unique set of circumstances

Last night was truly horrible, but it seems to me that everything did come together at exactly the same time to create the circumstances which allowed it to happen.

Firstly, let's not kid ourselves, Malmo are a good side. As early as the first minute or so, my mate said "this lot know what they're doing" or words to that effect and they went on to prove him right with an impressive and ruthless performance.

We didn't have a goal scorer on the park and I said on one of the threads that I didn't think we could possibly overturn the first leg deficit as we wouldn't score.

Malmo knew we had no cutting edge, but they also knew that if they conceded one, we might create some momentum. Our best chance would have been from a set piece, so Malmo didn't concede any free kicks. However, as soon as they scored, they knew the tie was beyond any last doubt so they abandoned all caution and ripped into us, knowing that should we win the ball, we couldn't capitalise on it.

On more than one occasion, Malmo let us come at them, took the ball of us and within 5 seconds, had 6 or 7 players attacking us at speed around or in our 18 yard box. They wouldn't have been so cavalier had we posed them a threat at the back.

Our right and left backs were injured so we had to redeploy our centre half and use Stevenson again. Why they were played on the left and right respectively, I'm not sure, but I can only imagine it was a vain attempt to counter their forwards cutting inside.

Then, our captain injured himself trying to clear the Malmo attack which led to their killer first goal. So, after 20 minutes we found ourself 3 - 0 down, with a weakened defence which was already makeshift, and no goalscorers. The best managers in the world couldn't have stopped us from getting gubbed.

I understand people being angry and I was sickened by it, but we need to view the thing with some perspective too.

your having a laugh aye?

[YehButNoBut]

Just wondering when would be the correct time for bed wetting & knee jerking??

If not after our worst home defeat in living memory or the worst performance by any Scottish club in Europe.

Maybe when we get humped by Hearts kids in a few weeks, would that be a good time?

[IanM]

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Very well summarised HR .... I think the level of bed-wetting & knee jerking going on here today is a bit out of proportion. Yes we're all very angry and peed off but baying for the manager's head on a plate really is not the answer today (IMHO)...

The thing is the manager simply has to learn from last night and take that forward into the new campaign. We simply have to be better than last night tactically and show a bit more guille.

We've signed a new striker and hopefully when players are fit we can play a team with players slotted into proper positions.

Think we really need a new CH above all else as I just cant see when McPake will 100% fit again and we need to stop taking chances by playing players who arent 100% fit. If they are not fit, play someone who is, who even if out of position can at least chase & fight........

according to the player only ...

[gegs70]

This was an embarresment to Lawrie Reilly, to hibs and Scotland. We knew since January we needed strikers....we knew our rear guard was flawed...we went into europe unprepared. I fealt vines signing was because we didnt get the targets we wanted.....I know we were never going to win this tie but that wwas terrible

[Treadstone]

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So the system almost everyone wanted to play all of last year is now ridiculous?

If he had gone 451 we would still have lost and he would have been slated for not going for it. There were posts yesterday already suggesting he was going to be too tight and defensive.

I'm not defending the result at all but the opening post is a good one with some perspective.

Tactically what do you think Pat Fenlon got right last night ?

[Hibbyradge]

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Presumably they could have - seeing as we were losing Leigh Griffiths - ensured that we signed some attacking threat? The players look absolutely devoid of any confidence in themselves or in the system. I honestly don't know who's to blame for that. It must be said though, many other "smaller" sides always seem to make a better fist of it than us - the St Johnstone result being a prime example.

Maybe we shouldn't have been so quick to empty Doyle, but I think that Hibs were very confident of keeping Griffiths. He had made all the right noises, publicly, and most thought that Wolves wouldn't be too difficult to deal with. Sacking manager brought a change of mindset and the expected transfer fell through.

Rumours are that we tried to get Taylor, but didn't have the readies and we've been looking to strengthen since then.

I have never bought a football player so I can't comment on how long that process takes, but I do know it's not easy to get quality when you don't have millions to spend. We have reportedly just shelled out £200k for a highly rated striker and Vine looks a decent acquisition and could make a good partner up front.

The Europa League was never a priority. We only qualified for it through the back door anyway and we were never going to make any real progress.

[Andy74]

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This was an embarresment to Lawrie Reilly, to hibs and Scotland. We knew since January we needed strikers....we knew our rear guard was flawed...we went into europe unprepared. I fealt vines signing was because we didnt get the targets we wanted.....I know we were never going to win this tie but that wwas terrible

One of the problems though isn't it, we knew we needed strikers but we have a whole season to play, and the ones after that, we can't just sign players for this game.

We signed Vine a couple of days before the first leg, we signed what looks like our main striker on the day of the game and he can't play.

Malmo on the other hand made all the signings they wanted before thir season and they've all being playing now together for months.

I think we should stop using the Reilly thing this mornin. The players had a game to play and playing badly should not be used a sign of disrespect to him.

[Andy74]

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Just wondering when would be the correct time for bed wetting & knee jerking??

If not after our worst home defeat in living memory or the worst performance by any Scottish club in Europe.

Maybe when we get humped by Hearts kids in a few weeks, would that be a good time?

That would be a better time yes, if that was to happen.

[One Day Soon]

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Very well summarised HR .... I think the level of bed-wetting & knee jerking going on here today is a bit out of proportion. Yes we're all very angry and peed off but baying for the manager's head on a plate really is not the answer today (IMHO)...

The thing is the manager simply has to learn from last night and take that forward into the new campaign. We simply have to be better than last night tactically and show a bit more guille.

We've signed a new striker and hopefully when players are fit we can play a team with players slotted into proper positions.

Think we really need a new CH above all else as I just cant see when McPake will 100% fit again and we need to stop taking chances by playing players who arent 100% fit. If they are not fit, play someone who is, who even if out of position can at least chase & fight........

Seriously, what would bad look like for you? Players topping themselves live on the pitch perhaps? They could have gone to double figures last night and from what I understand the same was true in the first leg.

The reason we haven't "simply" been better than we were tactically last night is down to the tactician in charge. Unless you believe that he gave them instructions and positions before the game and then they just ignored it all.

You make just one of the cases for Pat's departure yourself with the statement in bold. Who is choosing to play unfit players? Who is choosing to play players out of position?

[Andy74]

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Seriously, what would bad look like for you? Players topping themselves live on the pitch perhaps? They could have gone to double figures last night and from what I understand the same was true in the first leg.

The reason we haven't "simply" been better than we were tactically last night is down to the tactician in charge. Unless you believe that he gave them instructions and positions before the game and then they just ignored it all.

You make just one of the cases for Pat's departure yourself with the statement in bold. Who is choosing to play unfit players? Who is choosing to play players out of position?

So you think it was really tactics that lost the game last night? I don't.

[WhileTheChief..]

More excuses again

We had the same through Calderwoods time. Have we not learnt from that?

Just stop with all the 'circumstances' crap.

We are woeful and Fenlon as to go.

[Hibbyradge]

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your having a laugh aye?

Sorry, we must avoid perspective at all costs. I forgot, there's no room for rationality in football.

Under no circumstances should we take a step back and analyse the situation before coming to our conclusions.

The best decisions are the thoughtless ones.

[hibIBZ]

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So the system almost everyone wanted to play all of last year is now ridiculous?

If he had gone 451 we would still have lost and he would have been slated for not going for it. There were posts yesterday already suggesting he was going to be too tight and defensive.

I'm not defending the result at all but the opening post is a good one with some perspective.

No I have never felt we should play a very basic very slow clueless 442. All they did was put an extra man in midfield to swamp us and bump long balls over our high line. You can't catch people offside every time and our high line left acres if space for there quick forward to exploit. The answer if playing a high line is to cut of the source if the long ball but our wide weren't allowed to defend higher giving their fullbacks time and space. Plus surely he knows that playing a left midfielder at right back is suicide esp if you played him there last week and he got roasted and is a limited footballer to start with. No disrespect to Stevenson he looked so lost

[HibbySpurs]

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Just wondering when would be the correct time for bed wetting & knee jerking??

If not after our worst home defeat in living memory or the worst performance by any Scottish club in Europe.

Maybe when we get humped by Hearts kids in a few weeks, would that be a good time?

Every last one of us is hurting and hurting bad but simply to demand heads roll is not the answer. Dont get me wrong there are no positives from last night but rather than tearing into each other and the club we have a window now to look at this in perspective and give the management of the club a chance to sort it out.

I am deeply embarrased by last nights result just like you but come on, lets see beyond our anger and realise that simply dismissing the manager today does nothing for stability at the club.....

And finally, yes, if we get humped off Motherwell & the Hearts I will be flooding my bedroom with urine as well but I'm hopeful that if PF learns from last night and listens to the counsel of his new assistant it wont come to that.

GGTTH....

[BarneyK]

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Maybe we shouldn't have been so quick to empty Doyle, but I think that Hibs were very confident of keeping Griffiths. He had made all the right noises, publicly, and most thought that Wolves wouldn't be too difficult to deal with. Sacking manager brought a change of mindset and the expected transfer fell through.

Rumours are that we tried to get Taylor, but didn't have the readies and we've been looking to strengthen since then.

I have never bought a football player so I can't comment on how long that process takes, but I do know it's not easy to get quality when you don't have millions to spend. We have reportedly just shelled out £200k for a highly rated striker and Vine looks a decent acquisition and could make a good partner up front.

The Europa League was never a priority. We only qualified for it through the back door anyway and we were never going to make any real progress.

I get that but it's the midfield that's not been pulling its weight. As much as we don't like to admit it, Leigh did carry us last season. It would have been unfair to have expected him to do it again this season. Now, I'm not saying that the players we have there in midfield are incapable of contributing goals-wise, but for some reason they don't play with any real confidence at all when it comes to that, and even seem deeply uncomfortable taking the ball just outside the opposition's box in order to play in a striker. Individually they need to look at themselves for that.

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Seriously, what would bad look like for you? Players topping themselves live on the pitch perhaps? They could have gone to double figures last night and from what I understand the same was true in the first leg.

The reason we haven't "simply" been better than we were tactically last night is down to the tactician in charge. Unless you believe that he gave them instructions and positions before the game and then they just ignored it all.

You make just one of the cases for Pat's departure yourself with the statement in bold. Who is choosing to play unfit players? Who is choosing to play players out of position?

I also said "The manager simply has to learn from this" and I'm hoping he does but sadly I have my doubts, I agree entirely with your statement about who is choosing these pepole and if things dont improve quickly I'll be at the head of the sack him que.... I just dont think today is the day for that.....

[gegs70]

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One of the problems though isn't it, we knew we needed strikers but we have a whole season to play, and the ones after that, we can't just sign players for this game.

We signed Vine a couple of days before the first leg, we signed what looks like our main striker on the day of the game and he can't play.

Malmo on the other hand made all the signings they wanted before thir season and they've all being playing now together for months.

I think we should stop using the Reilly thing this mornin. The players had a game to play and playing badly should not be used a sign of disrespect to him.

The Reilly thing....?

Andy albeit that ws a good team, but that was humiliating, another result the chips blocks off the clubs great history. Andy you can put all your excuses down here but the result speaks volumes you cant erase the fact that Malmo could have gome up a gear or 2.....

[noucampos]

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The Europa League was never a priority. We only qualified for it through the back door anyway and we were never going to make any real progress.

Rarely post so the usual accusations will fly, but here goes anyway... What are Hibs for? Seriously? We can't win the league and we probably won't win a cup so European qualification is the most realistic goal in any given season. But why would we want that, when all that happens is that we get ritually humped by the first team we come up against, no matter who they are?

The idea of building a team for the likes of us season by season has long gone in the Post-Bosman age so steady progress and improvement is unlikely. So I ask again, what are we for?

Realise this sounds positively suicidal, but I've been watching this for too long and I no longer feel any real disappointment, just exhaustion. And that's tragic.