We should have threw everything at them

[Hibercelona]

When we were 2-0 down, we should have threw everything (including the kitchen sink) at Celtic, we had nothing else to lose at that point.

Why didn't we do that? We didn't change our shape or anything. We were still trying to play as if the scoreline were still at 0-0.

I know i'll no doubt get the usual "yam at the windup" treatment or whatever. But it's something that troubles me greatly.

We should have just charged at them with everything we had.

[Wheat Hound]

I think memories of last year stopped PF from such an approach. 3-0 ain't great but any more of a margin and more questions would have been asked.

[Northernhibee]

If we'd thrown everything at them we'd have left ourselves much more open to the likes of Stokes and Hooper and crosses down the wings, lord knows Maybury ain't got the pace to track back at the speed required.

At 2-0 we only really needed the one goal to get things going, at 3-0 we were totally out of it. It was vital at 2-0 we didn't concede another as such.

Know what you're getting at though, we needed to go for half chances and I don't think we tested their keeper enough, even speculatively.

[bingo70]

It was important we never got humiliated again.

[Hibercelona]

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If we'd thrown everything at them we'd have left ourselves much more open to the likes of Stokes and Hooper and crosses down the wings, lord knows Maybury ain't got the pace to track back at the speed required.

At 2-0 we only really needed the one goal to get things going, at 3-0 we were totally out of it. It was vital at 2-0 we didn't concede another as such.

Know what you're getting at though, we needed to go for half chances and I don't think we tested their keeper enough, even speculatively.

We just never looked like scoring once the 2nd goal went in.

We needed to change things and go at it. We were never going to get back into the game otherwise.

[Heisenberg]

We went for it from the start. Lost two goals. Game over. Had we gone for it more we would've been utterly destroyed. The change in formation to 4-5-1 saw us be more solid but hopeless in attack, like nearly every other time we've played with it. Thomson shouldn't have started on the left, poor decision by the manager.

[Hibercelona]

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It was important we never got humiliated again.

Well I don't know about you, but i'm more humiliated that we didn't have a go.

What's the point being there if it's about "avoiding humiliation" over making a go of it?

[Pretty Boy]

We started 442 and set out to attack. We looked good for the first few minutes and could, maybe should, have gone ahead. However it started to become blindingly obvious that Celtic were tearing us apart out wide. Losing an early goal was disastrous really and conceding another cheap goal so soon after meant it was imperative we didn't concede again before half time.

I agree with about 20 to go we should have went for it but I can understand why PF shut up shop after the 2nd went in. Hindsight is a wonderful think but maybe starting 442 was a bit naive.

[ggth]

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When we were 2-0 down, we should have threw everything (including the kitchen sink) at Celtic, we had nothing else to lose at that point.

Why didn't we do that? We didn't change our shape or anything. We were still trying to play as if the scoreline were still at 0-0.

I know i'll no doubt get the usual "yam at the windup" treatment or whatever. But it's something that troubles me greatly.

We should have just charged at them with everything we had.

Spot on m8, Fenlon was Paranoid about losing heavily again in a SCF. What I can't get my head around, is what did Fenlon do to the team after we beat Celtic at the tail end of last year?
From then till the seasons end, it was the same old chit as the previous season

[Hibercelona]

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We went for it from the start. Lost two goals. Game over. Had we gone for it more we would've been utterly destroyed. The change in formation to 4-5-1 saw us be more solid but hopeless in attack, like nearly every other time we've played with it. Thomson shouldn't have started on the left, poor decision by the manager.

I remember saying before the game that i'd rather we lost 6-3 than 3-0.

I still stand by that.

[blackpoolhibs]

We went for it and ended up 2 down, thats why Doyle dropped back. He should have taken Griffiths off after 20 minutes, he couldn't run and we then had 1 up front trying to shut down 4 defenders and make runs into space to receive the ball.

How did you expect that to work Pat?

[TornadoHibby]

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We just never looked like scoring once the 2nd goal went in.

We needed to change things and go at it. We were never going to get back into the game otherwise.

Potentially controversial I accept but at half time I offered the view to my company that if we could "unsettle" Scott Brown with a couple of firm(ish) tackles one after another then he might just react in a way which might suit us!

When Claros caught him and he "lost the plot" I was hoping that Taiwo or Thomson would repeat the medicine quickly just to see if it would "tip him over the edge"!

It didn't happen so my theory was never tested and Brown continued to hold their midfield upper hand!

Not exactly in the sporting spirit but it might just have worked had that second tackle happened close to the first when Broonies "red mist" was still circling his rational thinking processes!

[Holmesdale Hibs]

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When we were 2-0 down, we should have threw everything (including the kitchen sink) at Celtic, we had nothing else to lose at that point.

Why didn't we do that? We didn't change our shape or anything. We were still trying to play as if the scoreline were still at 0-0.

I know i'll no doubt get the usual "yam at the windup" treatment or whatever. But it's something that troubles me greatly.

We should have just charged at them with everything we had.

I agree with most of this and I was pretty disappointed with the second half performance. We never really looked like scoring and it was a bit of a non-event.

I get that Celtic are a good team and I'm not faulting our players for effort, but I thought we could have done a bit more.

[skipster7]

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We went for it from the start. Lost two goals. Game over. Had we gone for it more we would've been utterly destroyed. The change in formation to 4-5-1 saw us be more solid but hopeless in attack, like nearly every other time we've played with it. Thomson shouldn't have started on the left, poor decision by the manager.

I think Pat tried to get the team that played against Hearts out there with Doyle in for Caldwell. imo Harris could have got at Lustig much more as he's nowhere near as good as the LB but he would had to have started with 5 in the middle or not start Thomson. Hindsights a wonderful thing right enough but maybe 451 would have been the way to start.
The first goal saw Mcgivern have to go out to Lustig because Thomson was posted missing, Maybury should have done better with the clearance, both Hanlon and Mcgivern allowed Hooper a free run and Williams left him with a ridiculously easy tap in by wandering of his line.A terrible cheap goal which knocked the stuffing out of us and allowed them to settle.So frustrating.

[Borderhibbie76]

Fenlon cant win...had he started 4 5 1 on here and we lost he would have been crucified!! He went for it and had we scored first who knows what may have happened!!

[Jonnyboy]

My view on this is that Celtic's tactics of hunting down whichever Hibs player had the ball pretty much stymied any hopes of throwing everything at them

[One Day Soon]

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When we were 2-0 down, we should have threw everything (including the kitchen sink) at Celtic, we had nothing else to lose at that point.

Why didn't we do that? We didn't change our shape or anything. We were still trying to play as if the scoreline were still at 0-0.

I know i'll no doubt get the usual "yam at the windup" treatment or whatever. But it's something that troubles me greatly.

We should have just charged at them with everything we had.

Once we were 2-0 down we were needing a minor miracle. You go throwing the kitchen sink at them and you might get lucky. Against that Celtc side with their pace and quality (not brilliant but a lot higher a level than us) you are far more likely to concede on the counter attack. I didn't like losing 3-0 but I sure as hell didn't want to see them getting caned by 4, 5 or more. Sure, he could have made the subs earlier and Griffiths was done well, well before he was taken off.

I think what a lot of people are struggling with is accepting that this Hibs team was always a very, very long shot to beat that Celtc team in the final. No amount of wishing it otherwise changes that.

I don't know about anyone else but I've had enough of the utter 5hite rooted in Calderwood's reign and I'm more than willing to wait while Fenlon continues rebuilding the team and the squad as long as we continue to see improvement.

Put it another way, I can cope with yesterday as long as I believe that this manager can get us to another final at a time when we are ready to win it. Right now I do believe that.

[Stringer]

Griffiths should not have played at all.

[lEXO]

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Fenlon cant win...had he started 4 5 1 on here and we lost he would have been crucified!! He went for it and had we scored first who knows what may have happened!!

Aye. And if we had taken a real battering he would get even more stick than normal. Some folk will never be happy though, that's how it is.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Griffiths should not have played at all.

100% correct.

[lEXO]

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Once we were 2-0 down we were needing a minor miracle. You go throwing the kitchen sink at them and you might get lucky. Against that Celtc side with their pace and quality (not brilliant but a lot higher a level than us) you are far more likely to concede on the counter attack. I didn't like losing 3-0 but I sure as hell didn't want to see them getting caned by 4, 5 or more. Sure, he could have made the subs earlier and Griffiths was done well, well before he was taken off.

I think what a lot of people are struggling with is accepting that this Hibs team was always a very, very long shot to beat that Celtc team in the final. No amount of wishing it otherwise changes that.

I don't know about anyone else but I've had enough of the utter 5hite rooted in Calderwood's reign and I'm more than willing to wait while Fenlon continues rebuilding the team and the squad as long as we continue to see improvement.

Put it another way, I can cope with yesterday as long as I believe that this manager can get us to another final at a time when we are ready to win it. Right now I do believe that.

Quality post..

[skipster7]

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Fenlon cant win...had he started 4 5 1 on here and we lost he would have been crucified!! He went for it and had we scored first who knows what may have happened!!

i agree m8, i was saying this last night.Thomson kept drifting inside leaving McGivern v 2. Overall though with a half fit Sparky their movement of their front 2, commons etc was far superior to ours and they deserved their win.

[skipster7]

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Griffiths should not have played at all.

dont know about that, he was desperate to play and the form hes been in would always have started, even at 80% hes still our biggest threat. him being absent would have deflated the team and the support imo.

[Speedway]

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My view on this is that Celtic's tactics of hunting down whichever Hibs player had the ball pretty much stymied any hopes of throwing everything at them

Which they were both more than fit and fast enough to do very effectively, including two men on Harris through the first half.

[bingo70]

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My view on this is that Celtic's tactics of hunting down whichever Hibs player had the ball pretty much stymied any hopes of throwing everything at them

Lot of over analysing about formations etc when basically you've just summed it up in three lines imo.

[Wotherspiniesta]

Its easy to say we should have thrown everything at them. But Celtic were 2 goals up. They're the best team in the league, with the best defence in the league. When they got 2 nil up, they did what all good teams do. Keep their shape, defend well, press the ball when you can and play counter attacking football. We were maybe a little slow in possesion at times for our liking, but when you've got a wall of players in front of you, its hard to pick defence splitting passes.

I think with the amount of possesion we had and the amount of encouragement the team were getting, if we'd got a little break in front of goal we could have taken the game to extra time, but it was a helluva lot to ask.

I was proud of our performance yesterday. The players can feel proud of their cup run. We were just beaten by a better, more clinical football team.

[Northernhibee]

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Griffiths should not have played at all.

You can only imagine the reaction on here if he hadn't played. Not saying that you're wrong or that he should have played, but really I think PF would have been under a lot more fire had Sparky not been involved.

[Hibercelona]

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Once we were 2-0 down we were needing a minor miracle. You go throwing the kitchen sink at them and you might get lucky. Against that Celtc side with their pace and quality (not brilliant but a lot higher a level than us) you are far more likely to concede on the counter attack. I didn't like losing 3-0 but I sure as hell didn't want to see them getting caned by 4, 5 or more. Sure, he could have made the subs earlier and Griffiths was done well, well before he was taken off.

I think what a lot of people are struggling with is accepting that this Hibs team was always a very, very long shot to beat that Celtc team in the final. No amount of wishing it otherwise changes that.

I don't know about anyone else but I've had enough of the utter 5hite rooted in Calderwood's reign and I'm more than willing to wait while Fenlon continues rebuilding the team and the squad as long as we continue to see improvement.

Put it another way, I can cope with yesterday as long as I believe that this manager can get us to another final at a time when we are ready to win it. Right now I do believe that.

You're right, we needed a minor miracle to get back from being 2-0 down. But the minor miracle was never going to happen without taking risks.

We just didn't seem to be prepared to take any risks at the "fear" of conceding more goals.

I thought the fear factor was something we were working towards stamping out? But it still seems to be very much alive at the club and I can't help but feel great disappointment about it.

I know Celtic are a far stronger side than we are and I can accept losing to them when they're at the very top of their game. But I didn't feel that Celtic had to work that hard for their goals. They just seemed to come far too easily.

[Jonnyboy]

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You're right, we needed a minor miracle to get back from being 2-0 down. But the minor miracle was never going to happen without taking risks.

We just didn't seem to be prepared to take any risks at the "fear" of conceding more goals.

I thought the fear factor was something we were working towards stamping out? But it still seems to be very much alive at the club and I can't help but feel great disappointment about it.

I know Celtic are a far stronger side than we are and I can accept losing to them when they're at the very top of their game. But I didn't feel that Celtic had to work that hard for their goals. They just seemed to come far too easily.

So given the various points of view regarding your concerns, who are you actually blaming?

[Hibercelona]

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So given the various points of view regarding your concerns, who are you actually blaming?

It's not about trying to play the blame game. I'm not trying to point the finger at any person/people in particular.

What angers me is the overall mentality that it's better to shut up shop in a Scottish Cup final after 30 minutes, because we're 2 goals down and are afraid of being humiliated.

I don't think any other club in the league would have done that. It frustrates me that it just seems to be the norm for us. Yet people wonder why we never win the thing.

As the saying goes. If you do the same thing 1000 times over, you'll get the same result 1000 times.

Well we seem to do the same thing over and over again.