SPL average points totals

[JeMeSouviens]

Actually, if you look at the SPL over it's lifetime ranked by points per game, it comes out pretty closely correlated to spending power with Hibs punching more or less where our weight should be.

1  Celtic      2.347
2  Rangers     2.225
3  Hearts      1.481
4  Hibernian   1.285
5  Kilmarnock  1.263
6  Aberdeen    1.248
7  Motherwell  1.239
8  I CT        1.203
9  Dundee U    1.201
10 St J        1.149

[Peevemor]

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Actually, if you look at the SPL over it's lifetime ranked by points per game, it comes out pretty closely correlated to spending power with Hibs punching more or less where our weight should be.

1  Celtic      2.347
2  Rangers     2.225
3  Hearts      1.481
4  Hibernian   1.285
5  Kilmarnock  1.263
6  Aberdeen    1.248
7  Motherwell  1.239
8  I CT        1.203
9  Dundee U    1.201
10 St J        1.149

Surprising and interesting.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Actually, if you look at the SPL over it's lifetime ranked by points per game, it comes out pretty closely correlated to spending power with Hibs punching more or less where our weight should be.

1  Celtic      2.347
2  Rangers     2.225
3  Hearts      1.481
4  Hibernian   1.285
5  Kilmarnock  1.263
6  Aberdeen    1.248
7  Motherwell  1.239
8  I CT        1.203
9  Dundee U    1.201
10 St J        1.149

What is it over the last 10 years?

[Part/Time Supporter]

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What is it over the last 10 years?

Since the SPL started (1998).

The cumulative points total for Hibs is a bit lower than the likes of Aberdeen, Killie and Motherwell because of the "great adventure" season.

[Kaiser1962]

Actually we are one place above where we should be as 5th biggest spenders and Killie, in 5th, are 6th biggest spenders. Aberdeen, 4th biggest spenders, are the losers here.

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Actually, if you look at the SPL over it's lifetime ranked by points per game, it comes out pretty closely correlated to spending power with Hibs punching more or less where our weight should be.

1  Celtic      2.347
2  Rangers     2.225
3  Hearts      1.481
4  Hibernian   1.285
5  Kilmarnock  1.263
6  Aberdeen    1.248
7  Motherwell  1.239
8  I CT        1.203
9  Dundee U    1.201
10 St J        1.149

[1875Hibees]

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Actually we are one place above where we should be as 5th biggest spenders and Killie, in 5th, are 6th biggest spenders. Aberdeen, 4th biggest spenders, are the losers here.

We are the 4th biggest spenders mate. The figures came out last year I think.

[Kaiser1962]

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We are the 4th biggest spenders mate. The figures came out last year I think.

Aberdeen regularly pay more. Last season Aberdeen spent £5m on wages and we spent £4.1m. We paid £4.8m in 2010-2011 and Aberdeen paid £5.1m that season. 09-10 we paid more than them (£4.8m as opposed to the Dons £4.6m) but then you have to go back to 01-02 the last time our wage bill was bigger than theirs. Since 00-01 Aberdeen have paid wages totalling £60.7m and we have paid £52.8m over that period.

PS The Yams wages spend over the period was £97.2m and their income over the same period was also £97.2m. Well done them as profitability beckons.

[1875Hibees]

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Aberdeen regularly pay more. Last season Aberdeen spent £5m on wages and we spent £4.1m. We paid £4.8m in 2010-2011 and Aberdeen paid £5.1m that season. 09-10 we paid more than them (£4.8m as opposed to the Dons £4.6m) but then you have to go back to 01-02 the last time our wage bill was bigger than theirs. Since 00-01 Aberdeen have paid wages totalling £60.7m and we have paid £52.8m over that period.

According to this we paid more in 2010 and Aberdeen paid more in 2009

[Part/Time Supporter]

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According to this we paid more in 2010 and Aberdeen paid more in 2009

Aye, that's the one year in the last 10 where the Hibs wage bill was larger than Aberdeen. And then, only slightly larger.

[1875Hibees]

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Aye, that's the one year in the last 10 where the Hibs wage bill was larger than Aberdeen. And then, only slightly larger.

Im not having a go mate. I dont understand why we dont consistantly pay more than they do but thats another argument lol. I guess thats why they are having to get rid of 11 players. Even when they do pay more it is only slightly.

[The Falcon]

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Aberdeen regularly pay more. Last season Aberdeen spent £5m on wages and we spent £4.1m. We paid £4.8m in 2010-2011 and Aberdeen paid £5.1m that season. 09-10 we paid more than them (£4.8m as opposed to the Dons £4.6m) but then you have to go back to 01-02 the last time our wage bill was bigger than theirs. Since 00-01 Aberdeen have paid wages totalling £60.7m and we have paid £52.8m over that period.

PS The Yams wages spend over the period was £97.2m and their income over the same period was also £97.2m. Well done them as profitability beckons.

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According to this we paid more in 2010 and Aberdeen paid more in 2009

That just verifies what the man said. Season "09-10" ending in 2010. Thats how I read it anyway.

[Kaiser1962]

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Im not having a go mate. I dont understand why we dont consistantly pay more than they do but thats another argument lol. I guess thats why they are having to get rid of 11 players. Even when they do pay more it is only slightly.

Aberdeen bring in more money than we do.

[1875Hibees]

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Aberdeen bring in more money than we do.

How is that?

[1875Hibees]

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Aberdeen bring in more money than we do.

I really cant see how that is true considering that we have had higher attendances for the last 10 years plus

[Kaiser1962]

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How is that?

2011-2012 Aberdeen's income was £8.3m and ours was £6.9m.

[1875Hibees]

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2011-2012 Aberdeen's income was £8.3m and ours was £6.9m.

Where does that income come from? Considering that we have bigger attendances that them for the last 10 years plus.

[Kaiser1962]

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I really cant see how that is true considering that we have had higher attendances for the last 10 years plus

Ever so slightly. Since 2000-2001 a total 2,508,006 wheras 2,468,589 have watched matches at Pittodrie. Incidentally Hibs only passed Aberdeens total midway through 2010-2011 when Aberdeens home attendances fell away dramatically.

[Kaiser1962]

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Where does that income come from? Considering that we have bigger attendances that them for the last 10 years plus.

The accounts do not break it down specifically although last year (2011-2012) Aberdeen had a few player sales (Aluko, Foster and Grimmer) and included their shop for the first time.

[1875Hibees]

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Ever so slightly. Since 2000-2001 a total 2,508,006 wheras 2,468,589 have watched matches at Pittodrie. Incidentally Hibs only passed Aberdeens total midway through 2010-2011 when Aberdeens home attendances fell away dramatically.

But we have had a bigger average attendance than them ever since the 2005 season. It may seem to you as if I am arguing with you mate but honestly im not lol. I was just asking the question of, if what you said is true and Aberdeen had a bigger income last year, how is that considering we are the bigger club and we have had higher attendances than them for years now?

[1875Hibees]

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The accounts do not break it down specifically although last year (2011-2012) Aberdeen had a few player sales (Aluko, Foster and Grimmer) and included their shop for the first time.

Ah! I didnt take into account player sales. My bad mate.

[matty_f]

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But we have had a bigger average attendance than them ever since the 2005 season. It may seem to you as if I am arguing with you mate but honestly im not lol. I was just asking the question of, if what you said is true and Aberdeen had a bigger income last year, how is that considering we are the bigger club and we have had higher attendances than them for years now?

Would also depend on average ticket price. For example, I think last year the average price per game for Hibs' season ticket holders was only £12 IIRC.

[Part/Time Supporter]

Moved out from the Liam Craig thread because this was getting way off topic.

I think in the past Aberdeen have tended to have a bit more corporate income than a typical SPL club because of the oil industry. Although I suspect that has fallen away as well due to their lack of achievement in recent years decades.

[Kaiser1962]

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But we have had a bigger average attendance than them ever since the 2005 season. It may seem to you as if I am arguing with you mate but honestly im not lol. I was just asking the question of, if what you said is true and Aberdeen had a bigger income last year, how is that considering we are the bigger club and we have had higher attendances than them for years now?

2008-2009 Aberdeen had a slightly higher attendance than us although we have had slightly better than them lately. As I said over 11 seasons there is only a difference of around 40k punters between us and them. Maybe they sell less concessionary seasons than we do or maybe they give less tickets away away than us. I know we give a way a few. They also are a one city team and there is a lot of money in Aberdeen whereas some local companies in Edinburgh look to sponsor both or none in fear of alienating a proportion of their customers.

Pure speculation but traditionally Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen are all pretty evenly matched with, prior to Vlad, Aberdeen usually perform better, on a financial front at least. They are reliant on Milne, however, for maintaining their banking facilities.

[Kaiser1962]

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Moved out from the Liam Craig thread because this was getting way off topic.

I think in the past Aberdeen have tended to have a bit more corporate income than a typical SPL club because of the oil industry. Although I suspect that has fallen away as well due to their lack of achievement in recent years decades.

Well done.

[1875Hibees]

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2008-2009 Aberdeen had a slightly higher attendance than us although we have had slightly better than them lately. As I said over 11 seasons there is only a difference of around £40k punters between us and them. Maybe they sell less concessionary seasons than we do or maybe they give less tickets away away than us. I know we give a way a few. They also are a one city team and there is a lot of money in Aberdeen whereas some local companies in Edinburgh look to sponsor both or none in fear of alienating a proportion of their customers.

Pure speculation but traditionally Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen are all pretty evenly matched with, prior to Vlad, Aberdeen usually perform better, on a financial front at least. They are reliant on Milne, however, for maintaining their banking facilities.

No doubt about it that Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen are all similar ish sized clubs, but we are bigger than Aberdeen.