Obviously, given my location, I don't get to see too many games, but I have to ask the question, what happened to the 3-5-2 formation? Was it only a success because of Sauzee, or is this something that could be re-implemented?
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Thread: 3-5-2
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22-03-2013 10:01 PM #1
3-5-2
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22-03-2013 10:20 PM #2This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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22-03-2013 10:40 PM #3This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Man City have flirted with it a few times this season as has Wigan, it allows for a more attack minded team with the wing backs as wingers, the team plays with either 5 in middle or 5 in attack.
On their day Wigan are one of the best teams in the league with this system, unfortunately they tend to blow hot and cold, as players have to be disciplined in their positioning, Barca have also adopted this system this season.
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22-03-2013 10:43 PM #4
I loved the 3-5-2 with Sauzee, but it only works if you have someone like Sauzee, ie a class player who can pick out passes from the back. I think players like Wotherspoon and Booth might have benefitted if we had been able to play that system now as I think wingback would have been their best positions for us.
Unfortunately because so may teams play boring 4-5-1 systems now, there is no point in having, in effect, three central defenders, as you don't need that many. But I'd love to see Fenlon experiment with the formation (and players' positions) instead of persisting with the current system, which is way too reliant on Griffiths.
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23-03-2013 01:42 AM #5This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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23-03-2013 09:45 AM #6
We played it for a few matches post-split the season we won the cup and I thought it worked pretty well.
Boozy went back into sweeper and was excellent although he did get sent off against the Huns.
I remember zemmama playing almost in a "free role" between the 2 CMs and 2 strikers where I thought he looked great.
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23-03-2013 10:15 AM #7This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Very true, at the moment we don't have real wide men as such, Wotherspoon is slow and continually comes inside and Done is a loanee who aint very good.
With the squad we have at the moment I'd go with a narrow side maybe 4-1-2-1-2 or 4-1-3-2, this gives you freedom to control the midfield and flip from attack to defence fairly quickly.
As has said a 3-5-2 only works when against a team that plays with 2 up front, most teams go with 1, so a back four is then norm.
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23-03-2013 11:25 AM #8
I doubt 352 will ever be successful in the SPL, where the normal tactic of choice is the long diagonal ball pumped into the corners, which is exactly the 352's weak point. As has already been said, its all about personnel. Hibs play 451 because its the best formation for the players we have.
Its quite popular in Italy, a few serie A teams and the national team use it.
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23-03-2013 11:52 AM #9
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RB************CH************CH***************LB
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RW******************AM**********************LW
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A more attacking 4-5-1 could prove more fruitful. Above is an example which allows for a huge amount of triangular passing moves between positions. This gives a lot of options for each player in their positions as there should always be a passing option available. It's allverycomplex to explain the movement of positions where you still retain the triangular patterns of passing options but hopefully you can visualise it for yourself.
This style is very much on the deck, however there are longer options available from the back as long as the wingers and striker and AM create the space for it.
Whilst I loved the 3-5-2 days I believe that the 4-5-1 can be exciting if deployed in an attacking, on the deck way. The triangles are key to it all
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25-03-2013 04:19 PM #10
All formations have pros and cons. With any of them, if you are stronger in one area of the park, you'll be weaker in another.
Across world football, 4-5-1 or 4-4-2 have taken over. I think this has something to do with the athleticism of modern players, where the full backs can push up or defend as needed. Football is now played at a faster pace than even a decade ago.
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25-03-2013 04:24 PM #11This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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25-03-2013 04:43 PM #12
At the moment, we could play a 0-10-0 formation and still be out crowded in midfield.
I think switching between 4-5-1 when defending and 4-3-3 when attacking works best for us at the moment. But the wing play really needs to improve, as its been very poor lately.
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25-03-2013 05:13 PM #13This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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26-03-2013 07:21 AM #16
Kevin Thomson playing as a sweeper behind Hanlon & McPake perhaps?
We managed it before with the unorthodox fullbacks of Uli Laursen and Archie Lovell remember
....................Williams
...................Thomson
..............McPake Hanlon
Wotherspoon..................McGivern
.......Robertson Claros Taiwo
................Doyle Griffiths
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26-03-2013 07:28 AM #17This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
With your team there, Wotherspoon has severe lack of pace and work ethic and you'd miss McGivern strength in the defensive side of things, maybe Booth as a wingback would be better.
A good 3-5-2 needs 3 quick strong CH's, McPake and Hanlon lack pace, McGivern would do though.
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