Thought I would take a look at how our performances compare with our rivals over the 14 matches since we started to struggle for goals on 17th November. It's even uglier than I had feared. The sooner the better would be a good time to start to change this unimpressive run:
..............0 goals 1.....2.....3.....4.....5.....Total
Hibs............6.....7.....1..................... .......9
Hearts.........5.....5.....4...................... ....13
Aberdeen.....6.....3.....4.....1.................. ..14
Dundee........6.....5.....1.....1............1.... ..15
Saint J.........4.....5.....3.....2...................17
Ross Co.......2.....7.....3.....1......1............20
Killie............1.....6.....6.....1............. .......21
Saint M........3.....3.....5.....2.....1.............23
Well............3.....4.....2.....3......1.....1.. ....26
ICT.............2.....4.....3.....4......2........ ....28
D Utd..........1.....4.....3.....5......1.....1..... .34
Sorry I should have explained. The top line is the number of goals scored in a game. The figures per club are the number of matches in which they've scored that number of goals. It's easiest to explain in terms of Hibs (unfortunately)
Over 14 matches we have scored 0 goals in 6 games, 1 goal in 7 games, and 2 goals in 1 game, for a total of 9 goals scored in 14 games.
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10-02-2013 12:43 PM #1Testimonial Due
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Since the rot started...
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That table may suggest a lack of goals overall, but doesn't take results into account, does it? For example, one of those games where we "only" scored one goal was a 1-0 win over Celtic.
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Eh? Please explain
Ah now I get it.Last edited by Scouse Hibee; 10-02-2013 at 12:57 PM.
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I don't think things like this are very helpful. You are taking one aspect of our performances over a selected period. You need to look at the whole picture to get an accurate assessment of were we are. I do agree though that we need to start scoring more goals and I think we will Originally Posted by Nailrod
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does the 6 mean--played 6? and scored or won 7?? what is the 1? and 9 is points, is it? Originally Posted by Nailrod
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It just shows how much we've relied on Leigh Griffiths for the first part of the season. Now that he currently doesn't have his golden boots on, we're struggling big time for goals. Originally Posted by Nailrod
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We've been playing far too deep since the goal rot and even although we've gotten away with it in a few of our games, it's been fairly bleak overall.
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It doesn't make impressive reading - but is pretty meaningless without an equivalent in the goals against and more importantly, the points gained categories. Originally Posted by Nailrod
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Not disagreeing that we need to be scoring more - even if only for entertainment purposes - but for the purposes of measuring progress against last season's prolonged flirt with relegation it's results that are the most important factor.
Of course results should also improve if we score more goals so I too hope to see more of a goal threat for the remainder of the season. Maybe the recent addition of a couple of attack minded midfielders will make the difference - hopefully starting on Monday!
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The numbers in the table show how many goals we've scored in how many games since the 17th of November. Originally Posted by monktonharp
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We've had 6 game's where we've scored 0 goals, 7 games where we've scored 1 goal and only 1 game where we've scored 2 goals.
The "9" is the total number of goals we've scored out of those 14 games.
Dundee Utd have scored nearly 4x as many goals over that period!
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OP edited to explain. Originally Posted by monktonharp
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Statistics eh.
In that time Dundee Utd have scored 16 goals in games they haven't won and scored 5 of their goals in one game against Stranraer in the cup.
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Thank goodness somebody came along to explain that it's actually a bad idea to score lots of goals... Originally Posted by PatHead
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I don't see where people are saying that scoring goals is a bad thing but where comparing statistics, you need to compare them to something tangible. I, like most on here would take a 1-0 win over a 6-6 draw of 5-4 defeat anytime. Stats can be misinterpreted and manipulated any way you like. Originally Posted by Nailrod
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Good work but doesn't really mean much.
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It's purely goals scored and shows that in the last 14 games Hibs have scored zero 6 times, 1 goal 7 times and a brace on 1 occasion - totalling 9. Originally Posted by monktonharp
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To complete the analysis for Hibs at least over the same period Hibs have conceded as follows:
Clean sheets - 6
Conceded 1 - 5
Conceded 3 - 3 times
Total - 14 conceded
As for results, in the league we have Won 2 Drawn 4 Lost 6 - not good enough! - while in the Cup we have eliminated Hearts and Aberdeen (great stuff!)
To sum up, over the last 14 games, defensively we've not been bad at all - probably better than average. But as the OP points out we have hit a severe goal drought and it is hurting us in the league. PF has managed to make a couple of what look like good signings in an attempt to address this - will it be enough? Well I suppose we'll soon find out!
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Kind of agree that stats can be twisted any way you want to see them. Originally Posted by PatHead
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Two things stick out for me:
1. Our total, 9 in 14 games is poor.
2. Killie in the cup upcoming, one game they have failed to score in the last 14 and in half they have scored twice. Somethings gotta give!
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Points tally over the last 11 league games.
Motherwell WDWWWLWDLWL = 20 points
Inverness LWWWDWDDWLL = 18 points
St Mirren WDDLWDWDLWD = 17 points
Ross County DLLDLWWDWDW = 16 points
St Johnstone DWLDDLDDWLW = 14 points
Dundee Utd LWDLDLDWLDW = 13 points
Hearts DLWDWLDLWDL = 13 points
Kilmarnock LLWDWDDLDLW = 12 Points
Hibernian LWLLDLWDDDL = 10 points
Aberdeen LLLWLWDLDLD = 9 Points
Dundee LLDLLLLDDLL = 3 points
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Where did I say its a bad thing to score goals? Was it good when we scored 6 against Motherwell but never won. All I am pointing out is that you have to have balance. Statistics can be twisted too easily. Originally Posted by Nailrod
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If I wanted I could say only 1 league defeat in our last 5 or negatively say 1 win in last 5 league games.Last edited by PatHead; 10-02-2013 at 01:50 PM.
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A win tomorrow puts us joint second.
Mon the Hibs.
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Which looks great if you ignore the 2 games in hand that Motherwell and ICT will have. Originally Posted by danhibees1875
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Can you do it for the same number of games before the "rot" started for the sake of balance for whatever it is you are trying to achieve and maybe put them together to get a bigger picture?
The only stat I really care about at the moment is league position and cup run. Thanks.
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You're determined to shoot down any positivity eh? Originally Posted by Hibercelona
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Both teams will not win both games. Its that sort of league. Originally Posted by Hibercelona
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A bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bush amigo. Originally Posted by Hibercelona
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Mon the Hibs.
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My apologies for pointing out a statistic. Originally Posted by Mikey
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Ahem - I think you'll find that's called the League Table Originally Posted by greenlex
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Actually, they can't. Otherwise it would be possible to prove that Dundee are not the only team who have taken fewer than the ten league points we've gathered over the corresponding 12 league matches. Originally Posted by PatHead
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They can be twisted by limiting the size of your survey. I could give a more accurate reflection of how things are going its called the league table
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I could give an even more accurate reading than the league table. You could take all our league placings throughout history and work out the average for each club. Originally Posted by lord bunberry
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Statistics can drastically change, depending on how far you're willing to look back.
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Our current league placing is higher than it's been in recent years yet you still won't acknowledge that there's been any progress. Originally Posted by Hibercelona
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How would irrelevant data from previous seasons paint a more accurate picture of how this season is going? Originally Posted by Hibercelona
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