Cairney Substituion

***Fergus52*** · 03-01-2013 08:43 PM

I am normally one of Fenlons biggest supporters, however I found this substitution baffling.

He's our main creative threat and had just played the best pass of the match to put Doyle through, made no sense at all IMO.

I was happy to see Spoony coming on, but it should have been for one of the three central midfielders.

**Andy74** · 03-01-2013 08:45 PM

He was rubbish tonight and Wotherspoon was an improvement.

***hibee_girl*** · 03-01-2013 08:46 PM

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He was rubbish tonight and Wotherspoon was an improvement.

He had one good pass when he was on and it just so happened to be in the minute before he was subbed.

**Humo** · 03-01-2013 08:47 PM

What baffles me is Fenlon's consistent playing of Doyle against celtic he had 2 great chances he misses them both and again against hearts i would much rather kept cairney on and taken of doyle or put sproule on for doyle later on in the game

***Heisenberg*** · 03-01-2013 08:47 PM

That pass was all he did though. He's looked a different player in the past few weeks, reluctant to go passed a man and always playing back the way. Hope the break does him good and he comes back fresh on the 19th.

***NorthNorfolkHFC*** · 03-01-2013 08:48 PM

Taking Cairney off is inexcusable!! He is the only one that goes forward. Why keep Claros, Deegan and Taiwo on? Fenlon just needed to change tactics to accommodate Cairney and Griffiths but he again showed his tactical ineptitude.

**Andy74** · 03-01-2013 08:48 PM

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What baffles me is Fenlon's consistent playing of Doyle against celtic he had 2 great chances he misses them both and again against hearts i would much rather kept cairney on and taken of doyle or put sproule on for doyle later on in the game

Aye. Who'd keep playing one of top scorers in the SPL?

***Fergus52*** · 03-01-2013 08:48 PM

I still feel against their defence going to a 442 would have made more sense, with Spoony, Cairney, Doyle and Griffiths all on the pitch.

**~~Judas Iscariot~~** · 03-01-2013 08:48 PM

His ONLY positive contribution all game was the pass to Doyle early in the 2nd half, other than that he done nowt..

Quite right to hooked at that time

***Fergus52*** · 03-01-2013 08:49 PM

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Aye. Who'd keep playing one of top scorers in the SPL?

I know, some hibs fans seem desperate to create scapegoats. Doyle has consistently been one of our better performers this season.

***hibee_girl*** · 03-01-2013 08:49 PM

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That pass was all he did though. He's looked a different player in the past few weeks, reluctant to go passed a man and always playing back the way. Hope the break does him good and he comes back fresh on the 19th.

He's looked knackered the past few games

**inglisavhibs** · 03-01-2013 08:50 PM

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I am normally one of Fenlons biggest supporters, however I found this substitution baffling.

He's our main creative threat and had just played the best pass of the match to put Doyle through, made no sense at all IMO.

I was happy to see Spoony coming on, but it should have been for one of the three central midfielders.

4-5-1 didn't work at all. Our three central midfielders were ineffective to say the least. Taking Cairney off beggars belief! A good point but a dreadful performance. Thank god we have a good back four and goalkeeper.

***FitbaFolkKen*** · 03-01-2013 08:50 PM

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Taking Cairney off is inexcusable!! He is the only one that goes forward. Why keep Claros, Deegan and Taiwo on? Fenlon just needed to change tactics to accommodate Cairney and Griffiths but he again showed his tactical ineptitude.

I thought he looked tired, the pitch was heavy and that would make it hard for Cairney. Normally he is one of our more positive threats but I think he made the right move as Wotherspoon had a positive impact.

**PeeJay** · 03-01-2013 08:51 PM

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I am normally one of Fenlons biggest supporters, however I found this substitution baffling.

He's our main creative threat and had just played the best pass of the match to put Doyle through, made no sense at all IMO.

I was happy to see Spoony coming on, but it should have been for one of the three central midfielders.

Was surprised to see Cairney go off - Taiwo would have been my choice...

**Devilstorment** · 03-01-2013 08:52 PM

should have been deegan or taiwo to come off in my opinion. but I think both of those are defensive midfielders and the idea must have been to have been attacking mind for attacking mind.

**SkintHibby** · 03-01-2013 08:53 PM

Fenlon took the simple view that a substitiution was required and he looked to hook the poorest player on the park at the time. Good call from him IMHO.

Likewise later on with Stevenson.

**Hibs90** · 03-01-2013 08:53 PM

Wotherspoon wasn't much of an improvement. Cairney was honking until that pass though.

***easty*** · 03-01-2013 08:53 PM

Cairney did nowt tonight, it was right to take him off.

**SkintHibby** · 03-01-2013 08:54 PM

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should have been deegan or taiwo to come off in my opinion. but I think both of those are defensive midfielders and the idea must have been to have been attacking mind for attacking mind.

Deegan?

You serious!!!!

***easty*** · 03-01-2013 08:57 PM

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Deegan?

You serious!!!!

Deegan was decent, I thought so anyway.

**Devilstorment** · 03-01-2013 09:03 PM

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Deegan?

You serious!!!!

Maybe i was blinded by the quality football on display but i never really saw much out of him today.

**stoneyburn hibs** · 03-01-2013 09:05 PM

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Fenlon took the simple view that a substitiution was required and he looked to hook the poorest player on the park at the time. Good call from him IMHO.

Likewise later on with Stevenson.

Yes my thoughts too

**Paisley Hibby** · 03-01-2013 09:05 PM

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4-5-1 didn't work at all. Our three central midfielders were ineffective to say the least. Taking Cairney off beggars belief! A good point but a dreadful performance. Thank god we have a good back four and goalkeeper.

Agree

I thought we were completely overrun in midfield when Cairney went off. Once Stevenson came on for Taiwo we improved again.

FWIW I think we were set up to play defensively and hit on the break as Hearts can't score to save themselves. Not pretty but it nearly worked.

**Tyler Durden** · 03-01-2013 09:06 PM

Hibs entire midfield was very poor, including Cairney. However at least he's shown he is capable of creating, as he did with the pass of the match.

I'd have preferred us to move him central but Fenlon was obviously set on being defensive and sitting in for a 0-0.

Claros has been average at best in 4 or 5 derbies now and personally I won't miss him. Better putting our budget towards Liam Craig IMO, more likely to impact this type of game.

***Golden Bear*** · 03-01-2013 09:07 PM

Was Taiwo on the pitch in the second half? I think the point is that the entire midfield were all much the same so did it really matter who was substituted.?

**~~Peevemor~~** · 03-01-2013 09:14 PM

Some of the posts on this thread are mind-boggling.

Cairney wasn't having one of his better games and, even on a good day, he's not the fastest.

Spoony was far more likely to do something on the break (because if we were going to score it was going to come from that) and, as he has shown a few times this season, he can produce the odd goal from nothing.

Exactly the right substitution IMHO.

***Danderhall Hibs*** · 03-01-2013 09:14 PM

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Hibs entire midfield was very poor, including Cairney. However at least he's shown he is capable of creating, as he did with the pass of the match.

I'd have preferred us to move him central but Fenlon was obviously set on being defensive and sitting in for a 0-0.

Claros has been average at best in 4 or 5 derbies now and personally I won't miss him. Better putting our budget towards Liam Craig IMO, more likely to impact this type of game.

100%. We need to find a way of getting him central so he can pick passes - strange sub i thought.

Stevenson made a difference when he came on for Taiwo.

***Danderhall Hibs*** · 03-01-2013 09:17 PM

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Some of the posts on this thread are mind-boggling.

Cairney wasn't having one of his better games and, even on a good day, he's not the fastest.

Spoony was far more likely to do something on the break (because if we were going to score it was going to come from that) and, as he has shown a few times this season, he can produce the odd goal from nothing.

Exactly the right substitution IMHO.

I see what you're saying but he's the type of player that can do something from nothing. If Wotherspoon was to come on for i'd have liked Cairney to go central and Taiwo/Claros to have come off.