Charles Green accuses other clubs of using EBTs - are Hibs one of them?

[Mikeystewart]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/footbal...ign=sportsound

When he says two other clubs use EBTs Im assuming he means legally? as opposed to illegal use of EBTs within the rules of the Scottish game.

Or maybe his definition of legal is different from everyone else in Scotland

Any cost cutting measure sounds like something Rod would do , dojy or not....

[Peevemor]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/footbal...ign=sportsound

When he says two other clubs use EBTs Im assuming he means legally? as opposed to illegal use of EBTs within the rules of the Scottish game.

Or maybe his definition of legal is different from everyone else in Scotland

Any cost cutting measure sounds like something Rod would do , dojy or not....

I reckon Celtc & HoMoFC

[Pretty Boy]

Sure Celtic admitted using one to pay Juninho.

Think there was a change in the board room and it was stopped though.

[Mikeystewart]

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Could we be stripped of our titles?

Wouldn't be surprised if they gave us some.

[PatHead]

Celtic owned up to it with the Brazilian guy they signed from Middlesboro a number of years ago. I understand they adopted the contract he was on at Middlesboro but re-negotiated as they weren't convinced EBTs were legal. They informed SFA so dual contracts weren't a problem. This will be the smokescreen coming up now from the press to make the old Rangers not look so bad...........we weren't the only ones doing it.

The big difference is they lied about what they were doing by not presenting the contract to the SFA.

All that will happen is they will ban Craig Whyte from football again and maybe say David Murray was a naughty boy in a Monty Python kind of way.

[down-the-slope]

Not Hibs - Chairmain gave categorical NO when posed question if we had

[Stevie Reid]

Charles Green is fast becoming my number one most hated figure in Scottish football, which is saying something. Any chance of the Rangers returning as anything other than the vile institution that they were previously disappeared when he took over - all arrogance, zero humility, and seeking to punish other clubs for wanting Rangers dealt with fairly and properly for their significant crimes.

They are a perfect match, unfortunately. I could see there being serious bother between fans when they eventually return to the SPL, and then they will well and truly have dragged us back to the dark ages.

A chance for real progress missed, sadly.

[brog]

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Charles Green is fast becoming my number one most hated figure in Scottish football, which is saying something. Any chance of the Rangers returning as anything other than the vile institution that they were previously disappeared when he took over - all arrogance, zero humility, and seeking to punish other clubs for wanting Rangers dealt with fairly and properly for their significant crimes.

They are a perfect match, unfortunately. I could see there being serious bother between fans when they eventually return to the SPL, and then they will well and truly have dragged us back to the dark ages.

A chance for real progress missed, sadly.

He's only there to make money. The more he portrays Rangers as being unfairly attacked, the more the deluded respond & the more tickets/merchandise they buy! It's working for him so far so he's unlikely to change his tack.
PS, I agree 100% with your comments.

[Stevie Reid]

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He's only there to make money. The more he portrays Rangers as being unfairly attacked, the more the deluded respond & the more tickets/merchandise they buy! It's working for him so far so he's unlikely to change his tack.
PS, I agree 100% with your comments.

And I with yours - I know what his game is, it's just so sad that playing to a gallery of (largely) bigotted **** bag idiots is such a guaranteed money spinner.

It's so transparent too, even more depressing.

[Stevie Reid]

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And I with yours - I know what his game is, it's just so sad that playing to a gallery of (largely) bigotted **** bag idiots is such a guaranteed money spinner.

I didn't realise that s-c-u-m was a no go!

[Caversham Green]

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Charles Green is fast becoming my number one most hated figure in Scottish football, which is saying something. Any chance of the Rangers returning as anything other than the vile institution that they were previously disappeared when he took over - all arrogance, zero humility, and seeking to punish other clubs for wanting Rangers dealt with fairly and properly for their significant crimes.

They are a perfect match, unfortunately. I could see there being serious bother between fans when they eventually return to the SPL, and then they will well and truly have dragged us back to the dark ages.

A chance for real progress missed, sadly.

In case anyone's in any doubt, he's lying (again) when he talks about other clubs using EBTs. He won't name them because any club he named would immediately be able to show he was wrong. Celtc were the only other SPL club to use them and that was for a single player and they came clean about it unlike his squalid little fourth-tier club.

As with so many people involved with Rangers/Sevco, the man is a mine of misinformation.

[StevieC]

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"Who Else Used The EBT's ....

I suggest you take a look at the CV of Campbell Ogilvie .. the guy that knows nothing about EBT's

[J-C]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/footbal...ign=sportsound

When he says two other clubs use EBTs Im assuming he means legally? as opposed to illegal use of EBTs within the rules of the Scottish game.

Or maybe his definition of legal is different from everyone else in Scotland

Any cost cutting measure sounds like something Rod would do , dojy or not....

Not so much the use of EBT's, more the fact they were used in an illegal fashion by not paying the correct tax on them.

[Kaiser1962]

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Celtic owned up to it with the Brazilian guy they signed from Middlesboro a number of years ago. I understand they adopted the contract he was on at Middlesboro but re-negotiated as they weren't convinced EBTs were legal. They informed SFA so dual contracts weren't a problem. .

Dual contracts are regarded as malpractice by both UEFA and FIFA so its pretty certain that the SFA said no. The Celtic situation was fundamentally different from the scheme Rangers implemented.

While the SPL may have no authority over the Newco they most certainly have over the Oldco and the trophies it apparently won while under the auspices of the SPL, as well as the legitamacy of the Oldco's operations whilst affil;iated to the SPL. There is no doubt the SFA, whose rules were breached, have authority over both.

Green, by accepting membership of the SFL, is now contracted to accept the decisions and authority of the SFA in all football related matters. He has already taken them to court once which will not have gone unnoticed by UEFA hence the methodicall process we are witnessing unfold. Slowly and surely we are getting to the endgame step by slow step.

I would like to think this will reach a point where this moves out of the football arena and into that of a criminal investigation as millions of pounds have been denied to the exchequer through a vehicle which is, to all intents and purposes, a tax scam, a tax scam that Rangers couldnt even operate correctly. There are many questions that need to answered.

[Billy Whizz]

There's been a rumour around for a while, that Hearts paid Skacel this way

[Mikey]

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Not Hibs - Chairmain gave categorical NO when posed question if we had

Hibs certainly didn't.

[WindyMiller]

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There's been a rumour around for a while, that Hearts paid Skacel this way

IIRC this was brought up when his wife/partner took him to court.

[lapsedhibee]

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IIRC this was brought up when his wife/partner took him to court.

What was that for? Causing her mental anguish by passionately snogging Paul Hartley at the PBS in front of a TV audience of 400,000 and another handful at the match?

[greenginger]

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IIRC this was brought up when his wife/partner took him to court.

Skacel latest visit to the Courts was over his agents claim for a percentage of the contract negotiated between the player and the club. It was stated Skacel's contract registered with the SPl was for £3000 per week but the agent was looking at his percentage being calculated on nearly twice that amount.

The case is still on-going at Edinburgh Sherrif Court and was continued again last week.

[The Falcon]

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Dual contracts are regarded as malpractice by both UEFA and FIFA so its pretty certain that the SFA said no. The Celtic situation was fundamentally different from the scheme Rangers implemented.

While the SPL may have no authority over the Newco they most certainly have over the Oldco and the trophies it apparently won while under the auspices of the SPL, as well as the legitamacy of the Oldco's operations whilst affil;iated to the SPL. There is no doubt the SFA, whose rules were breached, have authority over both.

Green, by accepting membership of the SFL, is now contracted to accept the decisions and authority of the SFA in all football related matters. He has already taken them to court once which will not have gone unnoticed by UEFA hence the methodicall process we are witnessing unfold. Slowly and surely we are getting to the endgame step by slow step.

I would like to think this will reach a point where this moves out of the football arena and into that of a criminal investigation as millions of pounds have been denied to the exchequer through a vehicle which is, to all intents and purposes, a tax scam, a tax scam that Rangers couldnt even operate correctly. There are many questions that need to answered.

If some guy on Jobseekers had fiddled a small fraction of what these singularly wealthy individuals have they would be heading straight for jail. In Billy Dodds' case somebody, somewhere creamed over £100k and, to date, they have gotten away with it scot free. I understand sentencing guidelines suggest amounts greater than £5k warrant a custodial sentence.

This is the real scandal here, not whether or not some football rules have been broken.

[Stevie Reid]

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If some guy on Jobseekers had fiddled a small fraction of what these singularly wealthy individuals have they would be heading straight for jail. In Billy Dodds' case somebody, somewhere creamed over £100k and, to date, they have gotten away with it scot free. I understand sentencing guidelines suggest amounts greater than £5k warrant a custodial sentence.

This is the real scandal here, not whether or not some football rules have been broken.

Add to that the fact that Billy Dodds is still employed by the BBC despite being exposed as a blatant liar, and you have another ridiculous scenario. You would think the fact that he is patently too stupid to understand the situation, and has demonstrated that in the articles that we has been involved in since the scandal broke, would also be a worry for the corporation, who emply him for his 'wisdom'.

[EskbankHibby]

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Charles Green is fast becoming my number one most hated figure in Scottish football, which is saying something. Any chance of the Rangers returning as anything other than the vile institution that they were previously disappeared when he took over - all arrogance, zero humility, and seeking to punish other clubs for wanting Rangers dealt with fairly and properly for their significant crimes.

They are a perfect match, unfortunately. I could see there being serious bother between fans when they eventually return to the SPL, and then they will well and truly have dragged us back to the dark ages.

A chance for real progress missed, sadly.

Wholeheartedly agree with the above. Listened to his interview this morning on Radio scotland and a more odious, thick individual you would struggle to find.


Humility is just something other people have as far as he is concerned, in fact he's not even sure he wants a return into the SPL - seriously.

That's right, 3 successive promotions to, eh, stay in division one.

[LeighLoyal]

If anything Green's newco are even more cretinous than Whyte and Sir Skinty's oldco. Should we be surpirsed though?

[VickMackie]

Celtic used an ebt once to pay off the remainder of juninho's contract after he was no longer wanted. Whilst this may have saved both some tax, a few hundred grand at most iirc, it was not systematic and not did it include a dual contract.

[jimmy-adjovi]

Hibs were involved in an illegal ebt scheme that secured the services of left-back stalwart Roland Edge

[Mikey]

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Hibs were involved in an illegal ebt scheme that secured the services of left-back stalwart Roland Edge

Go on then

[The_Sauz]

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Hibs were involved in an illegal ebt scheme that secured the services of left-back stalwart Roland Edge

EBT for a loan deal

[Mikey]

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EBT for a loan deal

I'm looking forward to the explanation too

[The_Sauz]

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I'm looking forward to the explanation too

I was waiting on the punchline

[Beefster]

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Hibs were involved in an illegal ebt scheme that secured the services of left-back stalwart Roland Edge

He was worth every single penny too.