There's a player in there..

[Planet Hibs]

Sick of hearing this about our players...what's wrong with them showing us they are decent players!

[francobaresi]

Maybe because on Saturday it proved that they aren't....

[Hibercelona]

Our problem is signing over-rated losers with attitude problems.

We always seem to sign players that have had an attitude problem elsewhere.

I'd much rather we signed players that weren't as highly rated but were determined to give it their all in every game.

But that just doesn't seem to be our way.

[Planet Hibs]

I would also make us train full time from 9 till 5, none of this off to the bookies at 12 nonsense, sure there is lots they can do other than fitness throughout the day

[Hibercelona]

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I would also make us train full time from 9 till 5, none of this off to the bookies at 12 nonsense, sure there is lots they can do other than fitness throughout the day

Thats another thing that frustrates me.

Is there any other club in the SPL that just lets their players go at lunch time?

Whats that all about? Seriously?

These guys are on 2-5k a week, but seem to only train a few hours here and there.

Players must love coming to hibs for a jolly.

[Planet Hibs]

Exactly, sure things like tactics, DVD of opposition, helping under 19s, getting out into community such as schools hospitals ect could be done to strengthen ties

[blackpoolhibs]

While we will always be on the look out for players for the future, and that should always continue.

I agree, i'm fed up with the kind of player who needs time to adjust, or needs better players beside them. Just sign better players who are good enough in their own rights to play SPL football at the level Hibs should be playing.

[Hibercelona]

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While we will always be on the look out for players for the future, and that should always continue.

I agree, i'm fed up with the kind of player who needs time to adjust, or needs better players beside them. Just sign better players who are good enough in their own rights to play SPL football at the level Hibs should be playing.

My favourite phrase is "giving them time to gel".

We seem to be the only club that require this and never seem to achieve it either.

Where as other clubs have players working their socks off more or less instantly.

[alfie]

Sorry to bring THEM up at this sensitive time, but the one that sticks in my mind that didn't need time to adjust, or gel with the team, or get up to speed with the SPL was Mark de Vries.

Good players are good players, no matter what league or team they are playing in.






And then I go and shoot myself in the foot by thinking of Hanlon, who was pash until McPake came along...

...maybe there is more to this football management lark than I thought.

[Planet Hibs]

And can we please start playing players in their specialist positions, yes we need flexibility but on the odd game not consistently!

[patlowe]

I think in our current position we are forced to go looking for guys with ability that have possibly not yet reached their potential for whatever reason (see Beuzelin, Murphy, Shiels). However, in recent years we've signed up guys that clearly have ability but lack the desire or mental strength to ever be a real success (see L.Miller, Thornhill, Soares). Finding that balance is clearly difficult and is probably down to luck in some cases.

For the most part, Mowbray was the only boss we've had in recent years that seemed to have the ability to really get an insight into the character of players and whether they truly wanted to improve and reach their potential. Hopefully Fenlon can do the same this summer!

[stu in nottingham]

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'There's a player in there'

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My favourite phrase is "giving them time to gel".

My favourite is 'will do us a job'.

I tend to cringe whenever I hear these types of phrases repeated.

They usually indicate that the player is probably, but not necessarily, not up to it.

It's not a hard and fast rule but often the best acquisitions 'hit the ground running' as they say!

[cabbageandribs1875]

my fav is "he's a confidence player" cracks me up that one

[HibsMax]

Rather then being out partying on Saturday night they should have been back at East Mains, or somewhere, and going over the tape of the game. You know, like professionals. If not on Saturday night then at the very least on Sunday. I don't know that they didn't do that but that doesn't stop me from assuming they didn't...and I feel quite confident in that unbased assumption.

[Hainan Hibs]

One that stands out for me was Edwin De Graaf's piss poor performances being a result of everyone else being rubbish and not him.

[RIP]

We sign too many players that have failed elsewhere

Temp manager signs temp player

When's the last time you looked at a Hibs team and got the feeling that that was YOUR team out there

Me - not since the CIS final

Still - like turkeys voting for Christmas we carry out shouting - New Manager Please!! - More Signings Please!!

[HibsMax]

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My favourite phrase is "giving them time to gel".

We seem to be the only club that require this and never seem to achieve it either.

Where as other clubs have players working their socks off more or less instantly.

To be fair, I believe players do need time to gel...but that should take little more than a week or so.


NFL is arguably a more complicated game than "soccer" in terms of learning the playbook, and new players need time to learn the different plays, but when new players join your team you always hear about how hard they work to learn the different plays. If they don't work hard it shows up VERY quickly as they blow their covers or run wrong routes e.g., if the QB throws the ball long and outside but you run short inside and cutback, EVERYONE can see your mistake....and they don't like it. It takes some players longer than others, and some players fail, but they try. That's the very least I would expect out of a professional. Another thing, depending on the coach, players can be severely punished for screwing up, something that I don't think happens to our players. For example, say you're a running back and you fumble the ball once or twice in a game, that could be you dropped for the rest of the game, maybe even the following week. There just seems to be much less tolerance for mediocrity.




Last night I thought of a plan. The idea came after reading someone's (sorry, forget who) post about Hibs training consisting of running up Arthur's seat every morning followed by the sand dunes in the afternoon. How about when we get our new team assembled we send them to boot camp? I'm being serious. Send them to the army and have these guys put through their paces for a couple of weeks. Not just to work on physical fitness but their discipline as well. I personally think that's a fantastic idea. :D

[pentlando]

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Thats another thing that frustrates me.

Is there any other club in the SPL that just lets their players go at lunch time?

Whats that all about? Seriously?

These guys are on 2-5k a week, but seem to only train a few hours here and there.

Players must love coming to hibs for a jolly.

I would be surprised if many clubs don't have their players in for half a day. If you train a team from 9-5 each day you'll burn them out. I would prefer to see players go visit local schools and help raise Hibs profiles in their afternoons off, however if you ask players to devote all day to the club when other teams are not their not going to sign for you.

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I would be surprised if many clubs don't have their players in for half a day. If you train a team from 9-5 each day you'll burn them out. I would prefer to see players go visit local schools and help raise Hibs profiles in their afternoons off, however if you ask players to devote all day to the club when other teams are not their not going to sign for you.

I'll put my hand up and say I know nothing about what it means to be a football player. I agree that training hard all day, everyday is not a good thing but are there not variations on training? Can the guys not work on things on the pitch that are less labour intensive? Tactics for example? Do they go through tape of previous games and work on things that went wrong?

If what you say in your last sentence is true then I find that disappointing. Players will shy away from clubs that want them to work for their place in the team? Wow. Sounds like we don't want that sort of player in the first place.

[Hibercelona]

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I would be surprised if many clubs don't have their players in for half a day. If you train a team from 9-5 each day you'll burn them out. I would prefer to see players go visit local schools and help raise Hibs profiles in their afternoons off, however if you ask players to devote all day to the club when other teams are not their not going to sign for you.

Hibs will never raise their profile until they start winning more games. (particularly more derbies) Sending a crop of losers to schools to promote the club is sending out the wrong message.

Think about it.

You say to a kid, you can either follow Hibernian (a team that lays down to their rivals and vastly under-achieves), or you can follow Hearts (a team that dominates derbies, regardless of the players Hibs put out)

Who are they more likely to follow?

Like I say, if we want to promote the club the right way, it starts on the pitch.

[pentlando]

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I'll put my hand up and say I know nothing about what it means to be a football player. I agree that training hard all day, everyday is not a good thing but are there not variations on training? Can the guys not work on things on the pitch that are less labour intensive? Tactics for example? Do they go through tape of previous games and work on things that went wrong?

If what you say in your last sentence is true then I find that disappointing. Players will shy away from clubs that want them to work for their place in the team? Wow. Sounds like we don't want that sort of player in the first place.

I completely agree that footballers should put in at least as much work as other full time workers, so 32 hours or so per week. However my point is that can you imagine trying to sell that to an in demand player? Imagine...

Hibs offer - 3K per week, 32 hours training per week
Another club - 3K per week, 12-14 hours training per week

Assuming any rational person is subject to this offer, what would they choose? Barring some loyalty to Hibs, they would be off their head to put in twice the amount of time to a side for the same (monetary) payment. The point is that if we want players to be putting in more effort and being made to double their training schedule then it has to be a wider change within football, not just at Hibs. Otherwise players will be put off signing for the club.

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Hibs will never raise their profile until they start winning more games. (particularly more derbies) Sending a crop of losers to schools to promote the club is sending out the wrong message.

Think about it.

You say to a kid, you can either follow Hibernian (a team that lays down to their rivals and vastly under-achieves), or you can follow Hearts (a team that dominates derbies, regardless of the players Hibs put out)

Who are they more likely to follow?

Like I say, if we want to promote the club the right way, it starts on the pitch.

That's a bizarre comment IMO. So you believe that Hibs should not be engaging with the local community until they win games? Is that how it works? I think when Hibs are struggling as a club is the best time to be promoting the club, as fans will come regardless if Hibs are winning regularly.

It's also not all about making kids choose to follow either Hibs or Hearts. It's about giving back to the community. Imagine you're 7/8 years old and Leigh Griffiths and Lewis Stevenson come down to help take your P.E. class. I know I'd be over the moon, even if it was Hearts players at that age you're still in awe about the guys who are on your T.V every week.

The pitch is the one area that the club has not got total control over, engaging with the local community is somewhere they have 100% control so lets start there. In the run up to the Cup Final a few of the players were out and about meeting fans. Doyle at Asda, McPake and Mark Brown were at an opticians and there was a couple of signing sessions at the clubstore. This shouldn't just happen in the run up to the cup final, but should be an essential part of a footballers career.

[superfurryhibby]

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Thats another thing that frustrates me.

Is there any other club in the SPL that just lets their players go at lunch time?

Whats that all about? Seriously?

These guys are on 2-5k a week, but seem to only train a few hours here and there.

Players must love coming to hibs for a jolly.

I agree that training should be full time. Christ almighty, If I, as a fairly keen amateur player, was able to improve my weaker foot by sheer bloody minded sticking at it then surely a "pro" can look to address weaknesses in their games!

[truehibernian]

Young lads at the SFA Academies are out in the morning and in the afternoon. Admittedly they are in the school environment too, but they get taught tactics, healthy eating/diet needs, social media, etc. All the football training is geared towards technique and skills based.

If it's good enough for growing kids, it's good enough for adults. Pros are spoon fed, lack appreciation of their surroundings and their clubs. I've heard horror stories, one I may add about a previous Hibs legend, not having the capacity to pay bills because 'he thought the club did that for him' and living off pizzas being delivered.

In in the morning doing sharpness and technique, bit of lunch, wee bit of tactics or going over previous game, light warm down and/ or set pieces in the afternoon. Break up the week with team outing whether its golf, karting, paintball etc.....

Lunch together too.

[Hibercelona]

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That's a bizarre comment IMO. So you believe that Hibs should not be engaging with the local community until they win games? Is that how it works? I think when Hibs are struggling as a club is the best time to be promoting the club, as fans will come regardless if Hibs are winning regularly.

It's also not all about making kids choose to follow either Hibs or Hearts. It's about giving back to the community. Imagine you're 7/8 years old and Leigh Griffiths and Lewis Stevenson come down to help take your P.E. class. I know I'd be over the moon, even if it was Hearts players at that age you're still in awe about the guys who are on your T.V every week.

The pitch is the one area that the club has not got total control over, engaging with the local community is somewhere they have 100% control so lets start there. In the run up to the Cup Final a few of the players were out and about meeting fans. Doyle at Asda, McPake and Mark Brown were at an opticians and there was a couple of signing sessions at the clubstore. This shouldn't just happen in the run up to the cup final, but should be an essential part of a footballers career.

If I was a 7/8 school kid and one of them turned up at my school, i'd be absolutely livid with them.

Kids aren't daft, even they know a loser when they see one.

If a failure came up to me and tried to give me advice on how to be successful, I'd tell them to shut right up.

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I agree that training should be full time. Christ almighty, If I, as a fairly keen amateur player, was able to improve my weaker foot by sheer bloody minded sticking at it then surely a "pro" can look to address weaknesses in their games!

I agree too, but can Hibs really be the 1st club to insist on players training full time? Nobody would sign for us when other clubs continue to offer the status quo. Look at the fuss John Collins training methods kicked up for an example. It needs to be a wider culture change in football, rather than just at Hibs.

[Hibercelona]

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I agree too, but can Hibs really be the 1st club to insist on players training full time? Nobody would sign for us when other clubs continue to offer the status quo. Look at the fuss John Collins training methods kicked up for an example. It needs to be a wider culture change in football, rather than just at Hibs.

Players at other clubs clearly do train longer and harder, as it shows when we play them on the pitch.

Which team looked far fitter on saturday?

You think they train with the same amount of time and effort that Hibs do?

[pentlando]

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If I was a 7/8 school kid and one of them turned up at my school, i'd be absolutely livid with them.

Kids aren't daft, even they know a loser when they see one.

If a failure came up to me and tried to give me advice on how to be successful, I'd tell them to shut right up.

It appears we were very different as children. Let's get something right, the Hibs squad failed in the Scottish Cup Final. That does not mean they can all be called 'losers' and 'failures' in general. If they were truly failures, me and you would not be on a Hibs forum talking about them, because they wouldn't have made it in professional football.

[pentlando]

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Players at other clubs clearly do train longer and harder, as it shows when we play them on the pitch.

Which team looked far fitter on saturday?

You think they train with the same amount of time and effort that Hibs do?

Any evidence of this claim would be useful. The only unfit player on the park IMO was Gary O'Connor, who's been notorious for his fitness issues this season. Hearts were galvanised by both their performance and the fact they played 10 men the whole second half. Fitness was not an issue on Saturday. As for the effort at training I don't think anyone can answer that apart from the players.

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It appears we were very different as children. Let's get something right, the Hibs squad failed in the Scottish Cup Final. That does not mean they can all be called 'losers' and 'failures' in general. If they were truly failures, me and you would not be on a Hibs forum talking about them, because they wouldn't have made it in professional football.

Could you really picture somebody like Garry O'Connor going into a school and giving children advice on healthy eating and staying away from drugs?

Do you honestly think kids would listen?

Kids listen to heros, not people that get themselves in the papers because they were in a drunking brawl last satuday, or where caught in possession of class A drugs.

We haven't had a hero at the club in many years. Kids aren't going to listen to Hibs players until they start conducting themselves properly on and off the pitch.