Í dont get to see every game granted, but running an analytical eye over the live broadcast of the Inverness game it wasn't hard to see that Ivan ws toiling a bit, confirming recent opinions gleaned from places such as here.
Now I was at Ibrox when he scored his hat trick and yes, there is no doubt that he is not the same player that he was then.
However, I think his fall from grace is exacerbated by being played on the left.
I lost count of the number of times he tried to get the ball on to his right foot to make a simple pass, wasting valuable seconds in doing so, and on more than one occasion getting caught in possession as a result.
This thread is not designed to set off a debate on the merits of otherwise of playing Ivan, but if I can see that playing him on the left is a complete and utter waste of time, why cant Fenlon?'
It may well be the case that he is deemed to be not up to much on the right hand side even, but MY Dog, I really think it IS a case of either play him on the right, or simply dont play him'at all'..playing him on the left is accomplishing nothing other than adding to everybody's frustrations, probably including Ivan's.
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02-04-2012 12:33 PM #1
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Sproule - Play him on the right - or don't play him at all
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02-04-2012 12:39 PM #2Elephant StoneLeft by mutual consent!
He's been pretty useless, whether it's because of which wing he's been or not it's hard to say but one thing is for sure, as with the strikers, he's had **** all service. Everyone knows what he's good at, give him a decent pass to run onto and he'll beat most defenders for pace, I honestly can barely remember him having one single decent weighted pass to run onto. The whole midfield is a shambles, has been for at least 2 years.
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02-04-2012 12:55 PM #4
I agree, on the right or not at all. I was one of those who thought if he still had his pace, he'd be fine back at Easter road.
Well its clear he's lost it, and that was his main asset, another waste of a wage imo, yet we dont really have anyone else who's better for that right sided midfielder position.
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02-04-2012 01:08 PM #5
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I think this is why he isn't on the right. If he isn't going to get by people to the bye line then his best chance is when he does that cutting in from the left move and then he can hit with his right. That's the only sort of threat we get from him.
I think the thought of Sproule on the right is better than the current reality.
We need wide players with trickery and pace and I hope Fenlon is looking for them. Sproule, Galbraith and Wotherspoon can all go to clear the way.
Fenlon still likes that Lithuanian guy who wasn't fit enough in Janaury I believe so he might be one option.
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02-04-2012 01:49 PM #7This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Good players are good players, and play well no matter who's next to them. Cream rises to the top, we are 11th and never even threatened a top 6 place for a reason, we are not very good individually and collectively.
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02-04-2012 01:57 PM #9Elephant StoneLeft by mutual consent!This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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And why would you put two big centre halves in the argument, when its the left backs he's not been able to get past?
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He's had plenty of decent balls to run onto, but his lack of basic skill and pace now, show him up to be what he is, a poor player, with little skill, no tricks and a poor delivery.
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02-04-2012 02:27 PM #14Elephant StoneLeft by mutual consent!This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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Then its changed to big defenders, and with Sproule not being the biggest, i'd imagine most defenders or full backs who he's more than likely be up against would probably be as big if not bigger. So going by what you say, unless Sproule gets the perfect ball, we shouldn't expect him to do much during a game?
I dont expect it anyway, he certainly could take a ball 1st time round, push it past his marker and run like the wind to put a cross in, never the best at delivering, but he did get past his marker then. Thats rarely the case now, a waste of a jersey imo.
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02-04-2012 02:43 PM #17Elephant StoneLeft by mutual consent!This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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He cant get past a player now, and where i will disagree with you is he has had plenty of times to go past players, but does not have that pace anymore. He never had a trick, or enough skill to beat a man, and with the pace gone he's just not up to it imo.
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02-04-2012 02:52 PM #19
I thought this was going to be a poll, I was ready to vote "don't play him at all".
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02-04-2012 03:51 PM #21
Not at all for me. I think we had the best of him the first time around. This time he has been a political/vanity signing that has just not paid off. Some of his showings, for whatever reasons, are just tarnishing good memories.
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02-04-2012 04:36 PM #22
I think he should be playing in the stand and not on the pitch , he brought nothing to the game yesterday , a complete waste of a jersey just now , and should never ev er be played on the left .
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02-04-2012 04:50 PM #23
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Did Fenlon comment on his desire to win and the right attitude and spirit that he brings to the team yesterday? For me that's about all he is contributing just now and whilst these attributes are lacking in some other players we need to get players for next season who have spirit but who can also still play!
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02-04-2012 04:57 PM #24
Ivan will always be one of my hero's..Great great memorys from the wee guy, BUT, Id bin him Galbraith and Wotherspoon in the summer, I just dont see what any of these players bring to the table, Bin them all and free up a wage for a Humphrey from Motherwell like sighnin in the summer.
Pains me to say it Ivan but you offer nothing whatsoever to the team. The pace which was your main asset has clearly gone im afraid.Last edited by HibbyAndy; 02-04-2012 at 05:53 PM.
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02-04-2012 06:16 PM #26
Should definatley be looking to offload Sproule along with Murray, O connor, Galbraith ,wetherspoon, O hanlon, Stack and Brown.
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02-04-2012 09:35 PM #27This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
He was always fairly one dimensional but his pace at this level still made him effective. On the left, he doesn't use it as he's always looking to get back on his right
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02-04-2012 09:42 PM #28This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Ivan needs space to play and run.
Playing on the left means he cuts in and has less space and looses the ball too easily.
Soares would be the starting right midfield if fit but seems to struggle with injury.
I like Ivan's character at the club but would see him more as an impact player off the bench next season.
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02-04-2012 11:36 PM #30
What's more worrying is Fenlon's idea to play Osbourne at right midfield. MUCH more influential at CM.
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