East Mains, what do we get from it?

[oldbiker]

I watch the youth players coming back from East Mains and getting out of their mini bus, they look tired but fit so that would bode well you hope.

Pity they then dump their mcdonalds wrappers and greggs bags on the street.

Shows a total disregard for the professionalism of the club or the badge they wear.

Thought that nutrition and healthy eating would be high on the agenda rather than junk food and bo^^%s to the environment.

Must be me getting old but nae wonder we are in a state

Rant over

[At The Edge]

on a different note, i see the young Livi players quite regular in Livi centre with the Greggs diet, maybe its whats in just now for young players, 2 steak bakes and a french fancie before they head back down to the ground!

it does make you wonder if they have any thought for their diet, the guys at my work are probably more careful with their diet and they only go to the gym to workout/keep fit.

[Mikeystewart]

helps us attract a higher standard of player

[muzzhfc]

i love it how people point the finger at EM. surely its more down to the manager bringing in/releasing players, training regimes (or lack of), managers commitment to the club in pre season (or lack of). i think, with a decent pre season and a few good signings we will soon forget about the "jynx" of EM

[BroxburnHibee]

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on a different note, i see the young Livi players quite regular in Livi centre with the Greggs diet, maybe its whats in just now for young players, 2 steak bakes and a french fancie before they head back down to the ground!

it does make you wonder if they have any thought for their diet, the guys at my work are probably more careful with their diet and they only go to the gym to workout/keep fit.

Many moons ago I was the Head Chef at ER and I tried to give the players mince pies for lunch

McLeish didn't take it too kindly though and told me so. His quote?........

"I wouldn't mind so much but Basher wouldn't know when to stop"

[Captain Trips]

East Mains is only as good as the players you sign, it is a place to train and will not really ever make us any better IMO of course, the club needed a dedicated place to train, East Mains is OTT for us.

[greenlex]

I thought the players ate at East Mains? Two Square meals a day etc. Lots of goodness etc.

[oldbiker]

Its the attitude that is being instilled though.

Maybe auld Jock Wallace had the right idea with the gullane sands.

Jock Stein knew when the players were on the bevvy.

Most important for me its the pride in the badge, club ethos thing, I would have given anything to do what they do but lacked the talent but I am a thousand times more professional and proud of my Service than these laddies are o the club.

Still I suppose they are in training to fill Gary O's jersey rather than his boots

[Scouse Hibee]

Unbelievable! The club builds its own training facility and people are for ever moaning about it..............It's called progress FFS, if we had done nowt the accusation would have been that we have stood still, no ambition blah blah blah. We ridicule the Jambos for using Riccarton, sharing it with students then slag our own purpose built facility!

Why don't we invite the Jambos to share East Mains it will make them ****** also won't it?????

We will get from East Mains exactly what we put into using it!

[Pretty Boy]

It's not East Mains that's the problem.

The problem is the lack of quality and bad attitudes of some of the players using it.

[ManBearPig]

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Unbelievable! The club builds its own training facility and people are for ever moaning about it..............It's called progress FFS, if we had done nowt the accusation would have been that we have stood still, no ambition blah blah blah. We ridicule the Jambos for using Riccarton, sharing it with students then slag our own purpose built facility!

Why don't we invite the Jambos to share East Mains it will make them ****** also won't it?????

We will get from East Mains exactly what we put into using it!

agree whole heartedly this is progress just not quick enough for SOME folk. Its excellent and one of the few things we have to be proud of at the moment. It WILL provide dividends but it will take TIME.

[SloopJB]

A bus?

[Perspective]

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I watch the youth players coming back from East Mains and getting out of their mini bus, they look tired but fit so that would bode well you hope.

Pity they then dump their mcdonalds wrappers and greggs bags on the street.

Shows a total disregard for the professionalism of the club or the badge they wear.

Thought that nutrition and healthy eating would be high on the agenda rather than junk food and bo^^%s to the environment.

Must be me getting old but nae wonder we are in a state

Rant over

Don't know whether it's their diet or littering that bothers you most but I'm in total agreement.

Mark Wotte talked recently about seeing the diet of one of Scotland's youth teams first-hand and being appalled. An enlightened approach to nutrition is basic and should be drummed into them at an early age. Also remember comments a wee while ago from David Wotherspoon that he'd only just started to cook properly and that he'd usually just microwave whatever was in the freezer.

Depressing. You get out what you put in. Can't imagine players with career longevity like Paolo Maldini shovelled steak bakes down their throat.

Might seem like a minor issue given all our problems just now but it's symptomatic of a wider malaise at the club.

[Craig_in_Prague]

Where do Utd, Well and St J all train? Just curious.

[Albion Hibs]

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i love it how people point the finger at EM. surely its more down to the manager bringing in/releasing players, training regimes (or lack of), managers commitment to the club in pre season (or lack of). i think, with a decent pre season and a few good signings we will soon forget about the "jynx" of EM

Its not down to east mains, the manager, the board or any jynx for me. It is 100% down to the individual, these kids are what 14-16, easily old enough to know far better, and if they dont it will be them that pays the price. They will end up being yet another punter standing in a boozer 10 years on drolling in some birds ear about how he could have been a footballer if X, Y and Z did not happen.

The club, a barn and a changing room can only do so much. If these kids dont have the brain to let them get there then they wont.

As for east mains, it is an excellent facility, we might not be getting anything from it just now, but over time we will. One or two good players and it plays for itself. We are no worse of for having it that is for sure.

[Scouse Hibee]

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Where do Utd, Well and St J all train? Just curious.

The University of St Andrews Sports Centre is also the base for Scottish Premier League team Dundee United, who train on the pitches and use the fitness suites. Not sure about the other two.

[blindsummit]

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Don't know whether it's their diet or littering that bothers you most but I'm in total agreement.

Both bother me, but littering is one of my pet peeves and is a scourge of modern Scotland, in fact the whole UK. No one seems to have any respect for their environment. To me, how can you say you are proud to be from somewhere then chuck your chip wrapper on the road. Should be a hanging offence! Rant over.

[Pretty Boy]

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Its not down to east mains, the manager, the board or any jynx for me. It is 100% down to the individual, these kids are what 14-16, easily old enough to know far better, and if they dont it will be them that pays the price. They will end up being yet another punter standing in a boozer 10 years on drolling in some birds ear about how he could have been a footballer if X, Y and Z did not happen.

The club, a barn and a changing room can only do so much. If these kids dont have the brain to let them get there then they wont.

As for east mains, it is an excellent facility, we might not be getting anything from it just now, but over time we will. One or two good players and it plays for itself. We are no worse of for having it that is for sure.

Exactly.

I read an interview with Novak Djokovic recently. He put his transition from nearly man to world number one down to a radical change in diet and complete cessation of alcohol use. He commented that the change in his energy levels was unbelievable.

I can't imagine too many top athletes in other sports enjoy a weekly McDonald's and a few pints on a Saturday.

It must be a culture thing. Le Guen tried to change it at Rangers and Collins did likewise at Hibs. Look at the reaction they both got. Seems to me too many are only too happy to pick up a wage at the end of the week and don't have the drive to better themselves. That's the problem of the individual, not a training centre.

[oldbiker]

The facilities at East Mains are great and like all great universities, colleges and academic institutions its not the facilities that deliver its the students and what they become.

If the professionalism being shown by the youth players is what we are going to get then its a total waste of money.

Its not just the littering (which does annoy me and most folk) or the bad habits of Scottish footballers in food and alcohol and drugs. It's that whole don't give a toss thing, these guys potentially could earn millions and make our club better (god knows we need that) and they dinnae care.
I wonder how many steak bakes and big macs with milk shakes Chris Hoy shoved down his throat to win golds??

Ach well I'm away for a "pie on a roll" and see if I can get between the sticks on Saturday, even at 56 I at least meet the dietary ethos if nothing else.



Still if we win the Cup this year I will buy them all a steak bake

[Spike Mandela]

We the fans get absolutely nothing from EM.

The players and tha management team however do. It gives them a base to work from, simple as that. Good players or bad that's all it is.

The management and the players will tell you it's essential. For me mini bussing around Edinburgh to train in dog poo ridden public parks wouldn't make this tean any better or worse.

It's an irrelavence but we are stuck with it so no point complaining.

[Glasgow Hibee]

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Don't know whether it's their diet or littering that bothers you most but I'm in total agreement.

Mark Wotte talked recently about seeing the diet of one of Scotland's youth teams first-hand and being appalled. An enlightened approach to nutrition is basic and should be drummed into them at an early age. Also remember comments a wee while ago from David Wotherspoon that he'd only just started to cook properly and that he'd usually just microwave whatever was in the freezer.

Depressing. You get out what you put in. Can't imagine players with career longevity like Paolo Maldini shovelled steak bakes down their throat.

Might seem like a minor issue given all our problems just now but it's symptomatic of a wider malaise at the club.

I agree completely. Hibernian have an investment in these players and their bodies and should be insisting on good nutrition, at least when they are under our control (at training). This is just part of instilling pride and a professional attitude. Being a young professional sportsman is more than putting ina a few hours training each day. They should feel as if they are athletes and should be encouraged to look after their bodies so they can have a long and successful career.

And if they are not willing to adopt that attidue they should be ditched.

[Albion Hibs]

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Exactly.

I read an interview with Novak Djokovic recently. He put his transition from nearly man to world number one down to a radical change in diet and complete cessation of alcohol use. He commented that the change in his energy levels was unbelievable.

I can't imagine too many top athletes in other sports enjoy a weekly McDonald's and a few pints on a Saturday.

It must be a culture thing. Le Guen tried to change it at Rangers and Collins did likewise at Hibs. Look at the reaction they both got. Seems to me too many are only too happy to pick up a wage at the end of the week and don't have the drive to better themselves. That's the problem of the individual, not a training centre.

I would think him, and every other sports person that is at the top of the top of their game is the same. In modern sport I dont think any athlete can get away with it. I read a decent book recently which pashed all over the theory that talent is borne but instead comes through nothing other than commitment and practice.

Part of the problem is no doubt the fear in scotland that throwing away a youngster due to attitude is like throwing away potential money, we cant buy young talent alas we have to hold on to anything that resembles it, so we can punt it on when someone comes sniffing.

That said the club seems to have clamped down on the youngsters walking around the stand on game day with pies and pizzas, they need to apply the same around the ground and dare i say it get someone inspiration to come in and talk to these boys every once in a while.

[mca]

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on a different note, i see the young Livi players quite regular in Livi centre with the Greggs diet, maybe its whats in just now for young players, 2 steak bakes and a french fancie before they head back down to the ground!

I can back that up as i was in the queue for a happy meal for me and my kid yesterday in livi - and about 6 young squad lads joined the queue and i thought to myself - where is the rest of the young team - then i remembered - there is 3 mcdonalds and 3 greggs in livi center !!!

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Both bother me, but littering is one of my pet peeves and is a scourge of modern Scotland, in fact the whole UK. No one seems to have any respect for their environment. To me, how can you say you are proud to be from somewhere then chuck your chip wrapper on the road. Should be a hanging offence! Rant over.

one of the things i hate to see at easter road is all the litter blowing about the park during the game ... its disgusting..

[Matt92]

It seems at the moment all they are getting from it is a good room to play pool and FIFA in.

However, It should not be underestimated how important good training facilities are. All the best teams in every league of the world have the best facilities. We have a good infrastructure, superb actually.

The key difference new facilities bring is for the Youth Academy. By having good facilities, we can attract youth players who's key requirement is development: therefore it is very important where they are developed. By allowing them to play almost whenever they want on full sized pitches that are very high quality, with numerous gym equipment and various other tools at their disposal, we can aid their development. This allows them to develop into wee gems and benefit our club sustainably. This hopefully will bear fruits in years to come.
For now the only problem we may have is attracting outside of edinburgh youth due to our league position. Apart from that any prospective Youth players will see us as prime location; best place for development in Scotland.

East Mains will work out.

[Craig_in_Prague]

Maybe players need a manager they can look up to and be inspired from.. A guy thats played at a pretty high level and worked hard all his career. Perhaps even he could still be rather fit and even have a 6 pack.... Oh wait a min.

[mca]

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Maybe players need a manager they can look up to and be inspired from.. A guy thats played at a pretty high level and worked hard all his career. Perhaps even he could still be rather fit and even have a 6 pack.... Oh wait a min.

Someone with a 6 pack...



Think half the young teams have the wrong idea - and are working on the wrong kind of six-pack a night tho....

[500miles]

Depends what particular type of training they had been doing. A Pizza Slice from Greggs, or a Steak Bake is actually a pretty good source of recovery nutrients in the aftermath of high intensity and physically competative cardio - fats, carbohydrates as well as proteins. When it comes to post-workout nutrition, not all pizzas are created equally. While a slice of poor quality pizza may slow your progress, a pizza with the right ingredients (Domino's Pizzas come under this category.) can help you recover after a workout without adding unnecessary calories. For instance, pizza made on a whole wheat or thin crust, topped with tomato sauce, sauteed vegetables and lean chicken can make for a healthy alternative that still satisfies your post-workout deficit for carbs, proteins and fats.

Basically, if you sit on your arse in an office and eat a steak bake, you're not getting the benefit from "junk food". Junk food itself is a misleading and misused term - most foods containing high levels of fats, or sugars are useful to those who's profession or routine demands them. It's a question of balance. A guy who just ran a marathon is going to benefit a hell of a lot more from a thin crust chicken and veg pizza than someone who's sat in the house playing Fifa.
Of course, if you spot Garry O'Connor tucking into a deep fried mars bar, then there's no jusitification.

Signed, a former 20st fatty who just done a 5 minute mile on a whim prior to his usual 2 hour work out.

[500miles]

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I would think him, and every other sports person that is at the top of the top of their game is the same.

Apart from the fastest man in the world.

[ekhibee]

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I would think him, and every other sports person that is at the top of the top of their game is the same. In modern sport I dont think any athlete can get away with it. I read a decent book recently which pashed all over the theory that talent is borne but instead comes through nothing other than commitment and practice.

Part of the problem is no doubt the fear in scotland that throwing away a youngster due to attitude is like throwing away potential money, we cant buy young talent alas we have to hold on to anything that resembles it, so we can punt it on when someone comes sniffing.

That said the club seems to have clamped down on the youngsters walking around the stand on game day with pies and pizzas, they need to apply the same around the ground and dare i say it get someone inspiration to come in and talk to these boys every once in a while.

I'm in a bit of a quandary about East Mains really. If it is the attitude of the players that is the problem then I don't really see what facilities would make a difference if the attitude remains the same, and it makes EM a pretty redundant thing to have. However the quality of players is important too-If this facility helps improve the ability or quality of individuals then it is a very worthwhile thing to have. Still waiting to see a noticeable difference in the fitness levels of the 1st team considering they must use this facility at least twice a week, but as I haven't seen the youngsters playing for a while, maybe they are reaping the benefits. In any case, like it or not, we have it now, so it seems a pity to waste a superb facility like this, and, having been round it, there seems to be little excuse for not taking advantage of the excellent fitness room and playing pitches, while maybe spending a little less time in the games/recreation room. Then again, maybe I'm just being a bit cynical.

[GreenCastle]

On the subject of food and club standards - can someone explain to me why Hibs don't feed players after games? Any reply except cost will be allowed