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**Aaron** · 15-01-2012 05:04 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/16568634.stm

**Sodje_18** · 15-01-2012 05:11 PM

GoC's penalty claim was a stone waller.

**Duffys13** · 15-01-2012 05:13 PM

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/16568634.stm

Penalty for me.

***bingo70*** · 15-01-2012 05:14 PM

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GoC's penalty claim was a stone waller.

There was no need for him to chuck himself down the way he did though, if he hadn't put his arms in the air and dived forward a couple of yards he might have got it it but all the theatrics made it look like a dive so i can see why the ref never gave it.

***Golden Bear*** · 15-01-2012 05:16 PM

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There was no need for him to chuck himself down the way he did though, if he hadn't put his arms in the air and dived forward a couple of yards he might have got it it but all the theatrics made it look like a dive so i can see why the ref never gave it.

**yorkshire hib** · 15-01-2012 05:17 PM

great turn out from hibs fans

***cabbageandribs1875*** · 15-01-2012 05:17 PM

just as i thought at the time, dunfy 1st goal should have been the keepers ball

o'connor should have got the penalty

***Zorro*** · 15-01-2012 05:18 PM

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GoC's penalty claim was a stone waller.

just watched it, and I totally agree. You could argue he shouldn't have hit the deck so dramatically, but that is not the point IMO. A definite penalty, the defender left his leg in there.

**mim** · 15-01-2012 05:28 PM

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There was no need for him to chuck himself down the way he did though, if he hadn't put his arms in the air and dived forward a couple of yards he might have got it it but all the theatrics made it look like a dive so i can see why the ref never gave it.

Added to which, he deliberately left his leg in, in the hope of contact.

***nonshinyfinish*** · 15-01-2012 05:30 PM

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There was no need for him to chuck himself down the way he did though, if he hadn't put his arms in the air and dived forward a couple of yards he might have got it it but all the theatrics made it look like a dive so i can see why the ref never gave it.

I think referees should be able to give the foul AND book the player in situations like this. O'Connor was clearly fouled, but he was also clearly guilty of simulation...penalty for Hibs, booking for Garry.

**pentlando** · 15-01-2012 05:34 PM

Am i right in thinking you can still be guilty of simulation even if you are fouled for a penalty? Looks like that's what happens with O'Connor, there is contact on almost all the occasions but for some reason he feels the need to over egg it and ends up looking like he's actually dived.

**derek0762** · 15-01-2012 05:39 PM

Canae watch them on iPhone! Argh :-(

**~~PaulSmith~~** · 15-01-2012 05:47 PM

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Am i right in thinking you can still be guilty of simulation even if you are fouled for a penalty? Looks like that's what happens with O'Connor, there is contact on almost all the occasions but for some reason he feels the need to over egg it and ends up looking like he's actually dived.

Strange as it may sounds any over exaggeration of minimal contact can see the offender getting a yellow and a free kick going the other way.

***NORTHERNHIBBY*** · 15-01-2012 05:55 PM

Would wonder if O'Connor will get any of thr 50/50 shouts for the rest of the season. That is of course dependant on whether he stays in a Hibs jersey.

***nonshinyfinish*** · 15-01-2012 05:59 PM

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Would wonder if O'Connor will get any of thr 50/50 shouts for the rest of the season. That is of course dependant on whether he stays in a Hibs jersey.

If he dons a blue jersey then he'll be getting 10/90 shouts...

***Hibs Class*** · 15-01-2012 06:07 PM

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Am i right in thinking you can still be guilty of simulation even if you are fouled for a penalty? Looks like that's what happens with O'Connor, there is contact on almost all the occasions but for some reason he feels the need to over egg it and ends up looking like he's actually dived.

No. Simulation is an offence. Exaggeration is not an offence.

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Strange as it may sounds any over exaggeration of minimal contact can see the offender getting a yellow and a free kick going the other way.

Agree that's what happens at times but it isn't right. I do think GOC exaggerates and it doesn't do him/us any favours, but that doesn't excuse referees' incompetence.

**Sas_The_Hibby** · 15-01-2012 06:14 PM

You couldn't get any more of a stonewaller, IMO.

Referees should be able to explain themselves after a game - in this case he'd be able to say either "no, it wasn't a penalty", in which case we'd know for definite that he's a prat, or "yes it was a penalty but I'm sorry I made a mistake", in which case all you could say was 'fair dos'. Not allowing refs to say anything just brings the Scottish game further into disrepute.

**weonlywon6-2** · 15-01-2012 06:14 PM

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Penalty for me.

did someone shoot oconnor from the stand as he went down a bit like john wayne in one of his classic films

***greenlex*** · 15-01-2012 06:16 PM

Stonewaller.

theatrical or not.

***SneakersO'Toole*** · 15-01-2012 06:16 PM

A couple of things,

- Although he had a couple of decent saves, Brown will never be answer in a goals. At fault for the first goal (along with Hart) and nearly conceded a 2nd with the fumbled save.

- Booth did fantasically well for our 2nd goal. He really is a threat going forward. Hopefully this is a sign of him coming back to his best.

- O'Connor incident was a stonewaller.

- For someone who hadn't played in over a month and only had 2 training sessions last week, Osbourne's drive and energy was exemplary yesterday.

**Sas_The_Hibby** · 15-01-2012 06:16 PM

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I think referees should be able to give the foul AND book the player in situations like this. O'Connor was clearly fouled, but he was also clearly guilty of simulation...penalty for Hibs, booking for Garry.

Unfortunately, most referees, and a lot of pundits and fans think you either have to give a penalty or a booking for simulation. You could, of course, give neither but that's too subtle for most officials.

**Sas_The_Hibby** · 15-01-2012 06:20 PM

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Would wonder if O'Connor will get any of thr 50/50 shouts for the rest of the season. That is of course dependant on whether he stays in a Hibs jersey.

As I've said on another thread, defenders now know they can foul O'Connor in the box anytime they like. Not only will they not give away a penalty, they'll also get the bonus of O'Connor getting a card (a red one if they foul him twice!).

I just think the level of refereeing (and assistant refereeing) in Scotland is extremely poor, with no signs of improvement.

***brog*** · 15-01-2012 06:22 PM

Some random thoughts on highlights.
1. GOC definitely a pen, ok he possibly over exaggerated a tad but that could be result of having to convince our crap refs. A ridiculous booking!
2. Conceded from 2 set pieces again, & left Hardie in yards of space for another, we must be worst team in league for this.
3. Mark Brown is not good enough. Never even left his line for a header in 6 yard box for 1st & almost fumbled them an equaliser at the death.
4. Michael Hart played a part in 1 of our goals,( also made one last week ) & cleared one off the line, not bad for a dumpling!
5. The bit where Osbourne strode forward was almost Stantonesque, or at least McGinlayish!!
6. Great support & result!"!

***PatHead*** · 15-01-2012 06:23 PM

How come their forward (Barrowman?) wasn't booked for diving when he claimed he was pushed?

**squire** · 15-01-2012 06:29 PM

What you don't see from the highlights is for the winning goal we had been in possession for 10-15 passes probing for an opening. Proper keep ball possession with a purpose and we got our reward for a bit of patience

**HIBERNIAN-0762** · 15-01-2012 06:30 PM

Have to say delighted with the 3 points but our defending at both goals was a disgrace, also Smith in goals needs to be sorted.

***brog*** · 15-01-2012 06:32 PM

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Have to say delighted with the 3 points but our defending at both goals was a disgrace, also Smith in goals needs to be sorted.

I know he played like Smith but it was Brown & he's bad enough. I'm now going to have nightmares about the 6-6 game again!!

***grunt*** · 15-01-2012 06:33 PM

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4. Michael Hart played a part in 1 of our goals...

As did Stevenson, I think, for two of the goals.

**~~PaulSmith~~** · 15-01-2012 06:58 PM

If a pen had been awarded would the SFA compliance officer look at the incident again offer Hibs a ban for O'Connor.

**Shrekko** · 15-01-2012 07:03 PM

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If he dons a blue jersey then he'll be getting 10/90 shouts...

...and the 16/90 one's!

Definite penalty- ref trying to be way to clever, and not for the first time.

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