Sean Welsh

[EVENTUALLY]

When is this guy going to get a chance?

He's featured on the bench recently beside Scott, Towell, Murray, Sodjie and Palsson who have all had an opportunity to go on or start a match during the last 3 games.

Welsh was an excellent winning U19 captain, good passer, tackler and only bad injuries has prevented him progressing. But given some of the poor efforts of his aforesaid teammates in recent games as well as those from the likes of Galbraith and Hart he must surely be given some game time to see what he can do.

I have seen Welsh only 3 times and that was when the u19 team won the double but he was a standout and in my view much more accomplished than David Wotherspoon.

FWIW i'd also throw in Stanton as well. He is exactly what we are crying out for in terms of creativity and while he is slight he has great feet and tons and tons of natural ability.

[Wotherspiniesta]

Eventually

[Albion Hibs]

Part of me says he is due a chance. The larger part of me says he has been at hibs for a long time now, and under 3/4 managers none of them have fancied him enough to put him in which tells a bit of a story.

[Wotherspiniesta]

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Part of me says he is due a chance. The larger part of me says he has been at hibs for a long time now, and under 3/4 managers none of them have fancied him enough to put him in which tells a bit of a story.

I'm inclined to agree with that, but can he be much worse than what our midfield offer currently? We've got to have the worst midfield in the league. They create nothing, don't protect our defence, and have about 4 goals between the lot of them.

Slightly off topic, but I'd definately start Martin Scott against the yams. He was really unlucky to be left out in the tynecastle game after scoring 2 very good goals in the cup midweek. At least he's not afraid to have a pop at goal.

[Albion Hibs]

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I'm inclined to agree with that, but can he be much worse than what our midfield offer currently? We've got to have the worst midfield in the league. They create nothing, don't protect our defence, and have about 4 goals between the lot of them.

Slightly off topic, but I'd definately start Martin Scott against the yams. He was really unlucky to be left out in the tynecastle game after scoring 2 very good goals in the cup midweek. At least he's not afraid to have a pop at goal.

I dont know about that, the fact he has never appeared does speak volumes. I dont think I would drop him in for the derby but there is no point having him around if he is not going to get a chance.

It would appear we have both been involved in finishing off this years mulled wine, as I am about to agree with you. I thought Scott was decent against Dundee Utd, won a bit in the air and when out wide he put a decent ball into the box. As you say he does have a good strike on him, what has disappointed to me since the aberdeen game is he seems to be focused on winning it and putting it out wide.

Given our current position, how short we are on goals, and how other teams have no real requirement to defend, I would be telling him and others to shoot on sight.

[Beefster]

Maybe, based on his performances in training and bounce games, he doesn't deserve a chance?

[Franck Stanton]

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Part of me says he is due a chance. The larger part of me says he has been at hibs for a long time now, and under 3/4 managers none of them have fancied him enough to put him in which tells a bit of a story.

Albion, normally I would agree with your comment, however on this occassion feel it doesn't fit the circumstances , the lad is only, what 19 or 20yrs and whilst he has had 3/4 managers it is only now[ish] that he could realistacally be considerer to be of an age/stature to be considered for the first team.

[BEEJ]

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Maybe, based on his performances in training and bounce games, he doesn't deserve a chance?

So he's just been selected to warm the bench then - not once, but five or six times now?

I think if any of these games had been going our way there may have been the relative freedom to bring the lad on for the last 15 minutes or so. When we are chasing the game or grimly holding on for a point, that is not the ideal time to bring on a youngster to make their senior debut.

[Billy Whizz]

I'd like to have seen him given some sort of run out. Be interesting to see if he keeps his place on the bench once the "loan" players return

[Teuchter Hibbie]

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I'm inclined to agree with that, but can he be much worse than what our midfield offer currently? We've got to have the worst midfield in the league. They create nothing, don't protect our defence, and have about 4 goals between the lot of them.

Slightly off topic, but I'd definately start Martin Scott against the yams. He was really unlucky to be left out in the tynecastle game after scoring 2 very good goals in the cup midweek. At least he's not afraid to have a pop at goal.

the fact that several managers (despite the fact one of them was CC) have consistently left him out/not rated him highly enough to warrant a start imo speaks volumes. Having said that, I'd be inclined to give him a shot based on the potential he showed at u19s, and the fact that he can surely do no worse that what currently passes for a midfield.

Definitely agree with you re Martin Scott, one of the few players with a bit of fight and aggression about him (as Sean Welsh will testify), and has the potential to be a 5-10 goal a season midfielder. Assuming Osbourne is fit for the derby, I'd like to see those two in central midfield, with perhaps Booth/Stevenson and Wotherspoon/Sproule on the wings.

[bingo70]

The fact that he has never been fit is why he's never played! If we're looking into it though I'd say that despite his injuries managers keep giving him contracts speaks volumes about his ability.

Hes just returning from injury this season but I agree he's got to get a chance soon, if he's really worse than towell in midfield then he needs to get binned pronto

[Beefster]

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So he's just been selected to warm the bench then - not once, but five or six times now?

I think if any of these games had been going our way there may have been the relative freedom to bring the lad on for the last 15 minutes or so. When we are chasing the game or grimly holding on for a point, that is not the ideal time to bring on a youngster to make their senior debut.

He's not been put on IIRC so it would appear so. We need three or so under-21 players in the squad so he may be on the bench to met the rules.

[woody47]

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The fact that he has never been fit is why he's never played! If we're looking into it though I'd say that despite his injuries managers keep giving him contracts speaks volumes about his ability.

Hes just returning from injury this season but I agree he's got to get a chance soon, if he's really worse than towell in midfield then he needs to get binned pronto

Agree with this. Saw him a few times playing and he just seemed to stroll through games. Didn't get rattled and actually looked to play a ball to one of his team mates. Always in control and looking for the ball. Really hope that his injuries are now at the back of him and he goes on to prove he has real ability.

[down-the-slope]

in the last 3 years he is the best player i have seen in a Hibs shirt at any level (watched U19's a fair bit)......real shame the way he got injured so soon after getting contract after U19 winning season. I saw him as future Hibs captain...we are crying out for his ability in the current team...I hope its just a case of protecting him rather than injury having taken away some of his ability

[Jonnyboy]

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in the last 3 years he is the best player i have seen in a Hibs shirt at any level (watched U19's a fair bit)......real shame the way he got injured so soon after getting contract after U19 winning season. I saw him as future Hibs captain...we are crying out for his ability in the current team...I hope its just a case of protecting him rather than injury having taken away some of his ability

Indeed. He reminds me of a young Pat Stanton

[Cropley10]

How much of a pre-season did he get under his belt, in this, his first, senior season?

That might actually 'speak volumes'?

[PeterboroHibee]

Find it very strange that he seems to get on the bench nearly every week yet hasnt had a game yet (as far as Im aware?). Was he not fairly highly rated by previous managers, but just fairly unlucky with injuries?

Id like to see him get a chance, whether off the bench or starting. Our midfield is so weak that its worth at least a shot, noones really put in a position to claim a starting position (apart from probably Osbourne) so its up for grabs, and everyone deserves a chance.

[matty_f]

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in the last 3 years he is the best player i have seen in a Hibs shirt at any level (watched U19's a fair bit)......real shame the way he got injured so soon after getting contract after U19 winning season. I saw him as future Hibs captain...we are crying out for his ability in the current team...I hope its just a case of protecting him rather than injury having taken away some of his ability

Same here. Used to love watching him for the 19's. He and Booth were the standouts from the double team. I was sitting watching the game on Wednesday and was scratching my head wondering why there isn't a place in that side for Welsh.

[Cropley10]

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Same here. Used to love watching him for the 19's. He and Booth were the standouts from the double team. I was sitting watching the game on Wednesday and was scratching my head wondering why there isn't a place in that side for Welsh.

Well, could it have anything to do with him returning from quite a bad injury??

[matty_f]

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Well, could it have anything to do with him returning from quite a bad injury??

Wouldn't have thought so by now, unless the injury has set him back ability-wise, which is possible.

The fact he's getting on the bench and is training the same as everyone else, and featuring in bounce games would suggest that it's not a fitness issue.

[Cropley10]

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Wouldn't have thought so by now, unless the injury has set him back ability-wise, which is possible.

The fact he's getting on the bench and is training the same as everyone else, and featuring in bounce games would suggest that it's not a fitness injury.

OK thanks, which going by this thread - and a few folk in the know - means he's actually not going to make it, which means - by extension I think - that we should look to get rid of him ASAP.

Only on Hibs.net is a young player written off before he even makes his senior debut.

[Billy Whizz]

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OK thanks, which going by this thread - and a few folk in the know - means he's actually not going to make it, which means - by extension I think - that we should look to get rid of him ASAP.

Only on Hibs.net is a young player written off before he even makes his senior debut.

Most of the posts on this thread have been about giving him a chance, not writing him off

[Cropley10]

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Most of the posts on this thread have been about giving him a chance, not writing him off

Really? 2 (good U19 player) + 2 (on the bench but not playing) = 4 not good enough... seems to be the jist of it. "Speaks volumes" I've read.

I think he's a cracking player and I actually have confidence that Pat will give him his debut at the right time.

[BEEJ]

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I think he's a cracking player and I actually have confidence that Pat will give him his debut at the right time.

Having been on the fringes for so long, maybe he'll start against Cowdenbeath?

[PeterboroHibee]

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Really? 2 (good U19 player) + 2 (on the bench but not playing) = 4 not good enough... seems to be the jist of it. "Speaks volumes" I've read.

I think he's a cracking player and I actually have confidence that Pat will give him his debut at the right time.

I cant really see anyone who has said he isnt good enough, but rather wondering why he hasnt had an opportunity yet? How can a player be written off when he hasnt played?

I hope he is a good player, and if it is a case of easing him in gently then fair enough, but he has been on the bench for a while now and I, like most it would seem, would like to see what he can do at this level, even if it is a small cameo appearance at the end of a game.

[Eyrie]

The problem is that we haven't been in a position to bring on a youngster for 15-20 minutes experience at the end of a game because we've either been clinging on for a point or already losing, neither of which is an ideal situation.

I'd like to see him told that he will be given a minimum of three games as a starter in the one position so that there is less pressure on him if he makes a mistake. We have a gaping hole at RB regardless of who is played there, so that would be the position I'd try him in.

[matty_f]

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The problem is that we haven't been in a position to bring on a youngster for 15-20 minutes experience at the end of a game because we've either been clinging on for a point or already losing, neither of which is an ideal situation.

I'd like to see him told that he will be given a minimum of three games as a starter in the one position so that there is less pressure on him if he makes a mistake. We have a gaping hole at RB regardless of who is played there, so that would be the position I'd try him in.

That's a good point as well. The thing with Welsh that he has ahead of Stevenson and Wotherspoon, is that he is capable of dictating the pace of the game better than them, and is the sort of player that could help us get a grip of the midfield and actually create some chances.

[down-the-slope]

Of the players we have he would be best with Lewis in the centre with Ozzy ahead of them. He has a range of passing and is also a strong tackler who is decent in the air (played CH when U19 had injuries - and played football from the back there looking comfortable)...but can we please start playing players in their best position...CM for him.

Those 3 would be a stronger more creative and less soft option than we have been seeing....

..............................Brown

Towel ............Hanlon ........Stephens .......Booth

.................Welsh........ Lewis

........Spoony........ Ozzy.......... Scott

.........................Griffiths


This is the team that i would like to see playing when fit given the limitations of our current squad (I'm assuming no GOC soon otherwise when fit could argue for him up top and Griffiths on left)

[TrinityHibs]

I would hold off bringing him in until the team starts to show a bit of form. What we dont need is another young player being slaughtered because the team is performing poorly.

[Franck Stanton]

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Of the players we have he would be best with Lewis in the centre with Ozzy ahead of them. He has a range of passing and is also a strong tackler who is decent in the air (played CH when U19 had injuries - and played football from the back there looking comfortable)...but can we please start playing players in their best position...CM for him.

Those 3 would be a stronger more creative and less soft option than we have been seeing....

..............................Brown

Towel ............Hanlon ........Stephens .......Booth

.................Welsh........ Lewis

........Spoony........ Ozzy.......... Scott

.........................Griffiths




This is the team that i would like to see playing when fit given the limitations of our current squad (I'm assuming no GOC soon otherwise when fit could argue for him up top and Griffiths on left)

Good team IMO as well, looks a much stronger m/f than recent ICT game, if only we could start wit this side in Derby, we would maybe have a wee half-chance. Would also have the luxury of bringing on Doyle if Griffiths tires/plys badly