Pfa scotland calls for hearts intervention

***H18sry*** · 08-12-2011 03:23 PM

http://pfascotland.co.uk/2011/news/p...-intervention/

**WindyMiller** · 08-12-2011 03:28 PM

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http://pfascotland.co.uk/2011/news/p...-intervention/

Shocking way to treat any workers, the associations should at least be mediating.

***Spike Mandela*** · 08-12-2011 03:29 PM

Finally the blue touch paper has been lit but our lumbering institutions will take so long to do anythingi it could be a slow burn.

**Andy74** · 08-12-2011 03:29 PM

Perhaps the players should complain first?

**~~Saorsa~~** · 08-12-2011 03:29 PM

Well why don't those that are unhappy grow a pair and put in complaints.

**BEEJ** · 08-12-2011 03:30 PM

There is however a growing anger, frustration and a feeling of isolation amongst the players. Our members ask for the governing bodies to intervene and help resolve this matter. The governing bodies have an obligation to the integrity of the game in this country and it is imperative that from this aspect our members are paid.

Until the players themselves lodge a complaint, why should anyone else intervene?

“The situation is that one of our top clubs is in a poor position. All parties, including the SPL and SFA, are needed to help the club through this difficult period and ensure that there is a future for Hearts. Our members have certainly played their part; they would welcome support from elsewhere within the game.”

Unbelievable!

Why have some to provide a safety net for others financial irresponsibility?

**~~Hibercelona~~** · 08-12-2011 03:31 PM

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Shocking way to treat any workers, the associations should at least be mediating.

It would seem that they are far more concerned about their beloved Hearts than they are in ensuring that proper procedures are taken to ensure that players contracts are legally fulfilled.

***Spike Mandela*** · 08-12-2011 03:32 PM

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Perhaps the players should complain first?

As with most disputes it is better to let the union raise the issue than go it alone.

**Sir David Gray** · 08-12-2011 03:38 PM

I can't believe that none of the players have put in a complaint yet.

It's clear they have some serious financial problems at the club just now and it's not certain that those players who haven't been given their wages yet, will be paid anytime soon.

If it was me, I would be offski.

***Spike Mandela*** · 08-12-2011 03:40 PM

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I can't believe that none of the players have put in a complaint yet.

It's clear they have some serious financial problems at the club just now and it's not certain that those players who haven't been given their wages yet, will be paid anytime soon.

If it was me, I would be offski.

I suspect this statement has been made with full support of the players, but why single themseves out?

**~~Hibercelona~~** · 08-12-2011 03:40 PM

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I can't believe that none of the players have put in a complaint yet.
It's clear they have some serious financial problems at the club just now and it's not certain that those players who haven't been given their wages yet, will be paid anytime soon.

If it was me, I would be offski.

It's because most of these players are fully aware that they're being paid well beyond their worth (when they actually get paid).

Some of them will be lucky to get a quarter of what they're on now at any other club, even if that club does pay them on time.

***PatHead*** · 08-12-2011 03:50 PM

fair point about the players possibly getting injured. Doubt Hearts have paid their Bupa subscription either. If Hibs hadn't taken Yantorno under their wing when Gretna went under I am sure he would have struggled to get fit again. It is people's livliehoods at stake hear. Must admit if I was in their position I would need guarantees thet they would pay for any treatment before training, far less playing

SFA/SPL should get involved as it is making Scottish Football a laughing stock

**WindyMiller** · 08-12-2011 04:00 PM

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As with most disputes it is better to let the union raise the issue than go it alone.

Correct.
That's why the unions were formed.
To protect workers from selfish and brutal management.

**~~PaulSmith~~** · 08-12-2011 04:00 PM

Again though underlying tone is that the very future of Hearts is in question right now.
It is not inconceivable that Hearts cease to be within the next couple of months.

**WindyMiller** · 08-12-2011 04:01 PM

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Again though underlying tone is that the very future of Hearts is in question right now.
It is not inconceivable that Hearts cease to be within the next couple of months.

Don't get my hopes up.

**~~Kammy1875~~** · 08-12-2011 04:05 PM

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Again though underlying tone is that the very future of Hearts is in question right now.
It is not inconceivable that Hearts cease to be within the next couple of months.

I'm going to ask Santa that's it's after the 2nd then

**~~PaulSmith~~** · 08-12-2011 04:10 PM

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Don't get my hopes up.

Any business with zero cash flow to pay basics like wages is already on life support.

Any other liability due over the festive period will see them close for business IMO.

**Lofarl** · 08-12-2011 04:14 PM

God forbid

***matty_f*** · 08-12-2011 04:14 PM

Sergio pleaded with the players not to complain after the last non-payment. The players have been warned by the Lithuanian player(s?) what Vlad is capable of if he feels that they are being troublemakers, hence the reason they are reluctant to make formal complaints.

I don't envy their situation one little bit, and to be honest the players deserve some credit for biting the bullet as they're essentially acting in the club's best interests by keeping schtum about it all. That's despite the idiots on cutback.co.uk labelling half of them wage-thieves and dead-wood. Talk about gratitude!

I think the PFA have been sensible here, they're publicly calling for action without it being detrimental to their members' positions at Hearts.

Something needs to be done, and IMHO the Yams should be docked points for it - it's completely unacceptable to offer contracts and sign players knowing full well that those contracts can't be honoured.

**~~Saorsa~~** · 08-12-2011 04:18 PM

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Any business with zero cash flow to pay basics like wages is already on life support.

Any other liability due over the festive period will see them close for business IMO.

what a shame that would be

**~~PaulSmith~~** · 08-12-2011 04:18 PM

http://m.guardian.co.uk/football/201...l&type=article

Now up another notch

**~~PaulSmith~~** · 08-12-2011 04:22 PM

Regarding PFA Scotland statement on Hearts: Scottish FA would be appeal body so cannot 'intervene'. SPL will release short statement soon.

This is from the SFA, looking forward to the SPL statement...

**~~Phil D. Rolls~~** · 08-12-2011 04:25 PM

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Any business with zero cash flow to pay basics like wages is already on life support.

Any other liability due over the festive period will see them close for business IMO.

They'll be praying for good weather.

**~~MSK~~** · 08-12-2011 04:29 PM

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Again though underlying tone is that the very future of Hearts is in question right now.
It is not inconceivable that Hearts cease to be within the next couple of months.

Originally Posted by PaulSmith

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Any business with zero cash flow to pay basics like wages is already on life support.

Any other liability due over the festive period will see them close for business IMO.

You almost twanged my heart strings there ....ALMOST !!!!

**monktonharp** · 08-12-2011 04:31 PM

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Any business with zero cash flow to pay basics like wages is already on life support.

Any other liability due over the festive period will see them close for business IMO.

hope that would not mean auchinleck torag...........er, Talbot get a bye.

***Kaiser1962*** · 08-12-2011 04:32 PM

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Any business with zero cash flow to pay basics like wages is already on life support.

Any other liability due over the festive period will see them close for business IMO.

Correct. Although I suspect the UK's festive holiday's may enable them to limp into January.

But you are totally getting the wrong end of the stick. Vlad has plenty money and could pay if he wanted to, he just doesn't want to. The players who are not being paid are not good enough for Hearts and this is a cunning way to get them off the books. Its all smoke and mirrors.

Apparently.

**~~Hibercelona~~** · 08-12-2011 04:32 PM

I hope they go bust on Christmas Day.

**monktonharp** · 08-12-2011 04:35 PM

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I hope they go bust on Christmas Day.

the best christmas ever in the whole of the universe/galaxy etc etc

***Jim44*** · 08-12-2011 04:36 PM

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Again though underlying tone is that the very future of Hearts is in question right now.
It is not inconceivable that Hearts cease to be within the next couple of months.

Much as I would love to see them wiped off the face of the earth, I honestly don't think there is the remotest possibility of this ever happening. If they were a 'minnow' club, I think they would be left to peter out but I reckon that things will come to such a head that the SPL, SFA, Players union, EDC, and possibly even UEFA will gather ranks and create a situation allowing Romanov to step away with no great financial loss. Hearts will be taken over by a consortium and will remain in the SPL as a going concern. There may be some temporary demise in their status but strings will be pulled to allow them to survive relatively unscathed. Sounds like anathema to us Hibbies but the best we can hope for is to see them squirm while the process evolves.