EURO 2012 Draw

[Mikey]

Presumably it's on TV somewhere tomorrow given that the eventual winners, England, are involved?

[Hibee87]

bbc 2 tomorrow morning i think maybe about 11ish. i mind seeing it in the tv guide the other night

[Mikey]

11-ish eh? So they should get to the draw part at around 2pm

Ta.

Presumably it's seeded and all that??

[Kammy1875]

It's on SSN @ 5pm.

[Kammy1875]

Also on BBC 2 from 1645

And yes, here are the pots....

Pot 1: Spain, Netherlands, Poland*, Ukraine*.
Pot 2: Germany, Italy, England, Russia.
Pot 3: Croatia, Greece, Portugal, Sweden.
Pot 4: Denmark, France, Czech Republic, Republic of Ireland

[dwlt]

1645 GMT, BBC Two/online, according to their website. The draw's supposed to start at 6pm European time, but who knows?

[SteveHFC]

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It's on SSN @ 5pm.

**** Off. I won't get to see it

As i will be heading to Fir Park.

[Mikey]

I might watch from 11am anyway to build up the excitement

Pot 1 looks keek. They'll all be praying for Poland and Ukraine.

[SteveHFC]

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Also on BBC 2 from 1645

And yes, here are the pots....

Pot 1: Spain, Netherlands, Poland*, Ukraine*.
Pot 2: Germany, Italy, England, Russia.
Pot 3: Croatia, Greece, Portugal, Sweden.
Pot 4: Denmark, France, Czech Republic, Republic of Ireland

Spain
Germany
Portugal
France

Please

[Kammy1875]

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**** Off. I won't get to see it

As i will be heading to Fir Park.

Good man, I'll be in Glasgow about 5

[Kammy1875]

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Spain
Germany
Portugal
France

Please

Followed by

Holland
England
Croatia
Ireland

Please

[SteveHFC]

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Followed by

Holland
England
Croatia
Ireland

Please

England will end up getting Poland, Greece and Czech Republic

[Makaveli]

Is it really fair that the co-hosts are in Pot 1 when they're the two lowest-ranked sides in the tournament?

IMO hosts should be in whichever pot they would be in if they weren't hosting; they've already had the benefit of not having to qualify and have home advantage to boot.

[Kammy1875]

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England will end up getting Poland, Greece and Czech Republic

And still baws up

In fact Poland Ireland and England could cause riots so I'm up for that

[Kammy1875]

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Is it really fair that the co-hosts are in Pot 1 when they're the two lowest-ranked sides in the tournament?

IMO hosts should be in whichever pot they would be in if they weren't hosting; they've already had the benefit of not having to qualify.

Yes, because it gives the best chance of keeping national interest in the Tourny if they qualify.

[SteveHFC]

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And still baws up

In fact Poland Ireland and England could cause riots so I'm up for that

[Makaveli]

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Yes, because it gives the best chance of keeping national interest in the Tourny if they qualify.

National interest is hardly relevant to the question of fairness. Germany and Italy would have a right to feel aggrieved at potentially facing Spain or Holland whilst two weaker nations enjoy an easier draw.

Should UEFA go the whole hog and give the hosts dubious refereeing decisions for the same reason, like FIFA did in '34 and '02?

[CyberSauzee]

VC offering a group of debt special on the draw

"Ireland to be drawn in the same group as - Spain, Italy and Greece 55/1"

[Kammy1875]

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National interest is hardly relevant to the question of fairness. Germany and Italy would have a right to feel aggrieved at potentially facing Spain or Holland whilst two weaker nations enjoy an easier draw.

Should UEFA go the whole hog and give the hosts dubious refereeing decisions for the same reason, like FIFA did in '34 and '02?

It might not be completely fair but everyone knew the rules, it's already unfair to see the playoffs to ensure the big countries make it. Let the small ones have there fun, they are hosting after all.

[Greentinted]

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National interest is hardly relevant to the question of fairness. Germany and Italy would have a right to feel aggrieved at potentially facing Spain or Holland whilst two weaker nations enjoy an easier draw.

Should UEFA go the whole hog and give the hosts dubious refereeing decisions for the same reason, like FIFA did in '34 and '02?

And indeed in 1960-bloody-6.

[Kammy1875]

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And indeed in 1960-bloody-6.

France 98 also

[KdyHby]

Spain
Italy
Greece
ROI

Group of debt

[SteveHFC]

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Spain
Italy
Greece
ROI

Group of debt

[AlbertK86]

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Also on BBC 2 from 1645

And yes, here are the pots....

Pot 1: Spain, Netherlands, Poland*, Ukraine*.
Pot 2: Germany, Italy, England, Russia.
Pot 3: Croatia, Greece, Portugal, Sweden.
Pot 4: Denmark, France, Czech Republic, Republic of Ireland

Spain
England
Portugal
France

Sorry Wayne yiz'll be on yer way before you are allowed to get involved


GIRUY England

[Spudster]

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VC offering a group of debt special on the draw

"Ireland to be drawn in the same group as - Spain, Italy and Greece 55/1"

Is that not 4 X 4/1 bets (624/1)?

[HibeeMG]

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Is that not 4 X 4/1 bets (624/1)?

Is it not 3 x 3/1 bets? (64/1 then).

Still not good value though.

[NOLA]

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France 98 also

what dubious refereeing went france's way like?

[Craig_in_Prague]

Hoping Scotland ever qualify for finals is becoming almost as tiresome as the Scottish Cup for hibs......not quite, but getting there - as time goes on, it seems less and less likely.

and for the next world cup, we have a negative twonk in charge, so where's the 2016 Euros' ?....our next chance to qualify...

[Cameron1875]

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Hoping Scotland ever qualify for finals is becoming almost as tiresome as the Scottish Cup for hibs......not quite, but getting there - as time goes on, it seems less and less likely.and for the next world cup, we have a negative twonk in charge, so where's the 2016 Euros' ?....our next chance to qualify...

France i think.

[PeeJay]

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Hoping Scotland ever qualify for finals is becoming almost as tiresome as the Scottish Cup for hibs......not quite, but getting there - as time goes on, it seems less and less likely.

and for the next world cup, we have a negative twonk in charge, so where's the 2016 Euros' ?....our next chance to qualify...

France it is and 24 teams will be involved in the groups stages - so maybe a chance for Scotland??