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    Response from the Board

    Here's the not-so detailed reply I received from the board to an Email I sent in on Sat night. No wonder how club is in the mess it is currently...


    Well, how refreshing that you are so interested in what the fans(the people who pay YOUR wages) have to say that all you can muster in response to my comments is this pathetic one-liner!!!

    No wonder attendances are dropping like a stone and we have just posted our first financial loss in years!!!!

    To say I am disgusted at your response would be a massive understatement, it certainly makes me wonder if I should continue to stump up my hard-earned cash to support a club that shows such little interest in it's support!!!


    Hi
    Thanks for your feedback. Your points are noted and thanks for taking the time to send them in.

    Fife



    Dear Mr Hyland,

    I find myself typing this Email to you, just back from yet another hapless performance and yet another home defeat.

    So, here we are in mid-October and ONE solitary point off the bottom of the SPL.

    I was all for giving Colin Calderwood more time at the start of the season but come on enough is enough. The man clearly doesn't have a clue what his best line-up is, he constantly plays players out of their natural position and above all he has us playing a brand of football that would make your eyes bleed. Meanwhile the likes of Motherwell, Kilmarnock and St Mirren, I am sure you will agree, much smaller clubs than us with a lower fanbase, are playing attractive exciting football.

    I for one have had enough of spending my hard-earned cash every week to watch this absolute rubbish. £22 and yet the Motherwell goalie could have take the afternoon off, for all he had to do.

    You asked us to stand up and be counted, well now it's your turn. For god's sake act now before it's too late, we are already down to crowds of 8500, does that not tell you something?

    Mr Calderwood now has one of the WORST records of any Hibs manager, and his year in charge has been utterly miserable for everyone concerned. Probably even himself, as clearly he does not want to be here, his manner on the touchline every Sat tells me that.

    As a board of directors, you made a massive mistake in the summer not accepting the compensation offered to let this clown go and you are now paying a heavy price for that mistake, as are we the paying public.

    I really don't know how much longer I am prepared to stump up cash that I can ill afford in these difficult times to watch that rubbish week in week out...

    You may have given us a lovely stadium and training complex, but for want of a better phrase, the team on the park are c##p!!!! And that is solely Mr Calderwood's responsibility. His record is appalling and in any other walk of like he would have been dismissed quite some time ago!!!

    A very disgruntled fan
    (Judging by today's attendance, 1 of 1000's)


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    thats shocking

    What a joke of a response from the board. I myself emailed them a few weeks ago.....read on

    Dear David

    Thanks for your email and your points are noted and some responses below:

    Reducing ticket prices does not increase attendances. Even free tickets do not fill the stadium, as Green Day demonstrated last season. It does however, reduce revenue for the Club, and investment in the team. What does increase attendances is a winning and entertaining team, and that is what we are focused on building.

    Working with Colin I can easily dispel any myths that he is engineering an exit from the Club, despite what the conspiracy theorists propound. We have never doubted his commitment or dedication to the job in hand, despite the unsettling summer, and Colin remains a thoughtful and intensely focused professional who wants to succeed in the game, and to think otherwise is ridiculous.

    The Board address and interact with the supporters regularly as I thought you would know and understand – whether it is by email or on the phone daily, I am engaging with and listening to supporters. We recently ran an in-depth survey asking for supporter feedback; I wrote to all season and lapsed season members asking them for their views. Scott and myself are regularly on Hibernian TV providing updates. The Chairman, Scott, Jamie and myself are regularly in Behind the Goals on a Matchday. I doubt there is a Board in the SPL that is as accessible as we are, and as tuned in to supporter opinion. Meeting with any supporter, protester or otherwise is just part of an ongoing open door policy we already employ, it doesn’t take the threat of a protest for us to engage.

    Thanks again for writing in and hope to see you at Motherwell tonight, supporting the team.

    All the best

    Fife


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    From: D Logan [mailto:]
    Sent: 19 September 2011 18:54
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    Dear Sirs

    I am writing to you to voice my concern over the clear negativity surrounding our football club. I have held a season ticket for 5 years in total on and off and have been a supporter since I was 5 (I am now 30). By my reckoning I haveinvested 5-8k in Hibernian through gate receipts, merchandise and other means. Whilst I have never assumed we would reach the dizzy heights of European football every year and I also admire the youth policy we have, I do feel the following issues need to be addressed immediately.

    1. Entry prices - we currently have capacity to house 20,500 I believe. As it stands the average ticket is 20-something pounds. Our average attendance in the region of 9k per game. Would it surely not be worthwhile addressing the policy and giving the fans something back in terms of a reduction in costs until our fortunes get better? ER is fast becoming soul-less which leaves me emotionally drained given that the stadium had so much character in its day. I also believe a very apparent gap is opening between the board and the people who keep the club running. If this gesture was extended it would perhaps go someway to building a bridge. The board has hard and often unpopular decisions to make, for this you have my utmost respect though the fans will soon be demanding we 'sack the board'. I dont believe that should or will ever happen but can we do something about the relationship?

    2. The Manager (CC). I recently met CC during a corporate day at ER and whilst he strikes me as a very pleasant, polite and professional fellow - I am concerned at how passive he is becoming with our fortunes. The question that strikes me during CC's frank critiques of the players failings is 'what have we progressed in under Colin's tenure? I am not asking this question of you though I do wonder if Colin would be comfortable answering. On paper I believe we have a very competent squad though perhaps a little short on experience. What is apparent though is that in practise, the squad falls very short of any permissible standard pertaining to our club. Our style is unimaginative and frightenedat best. At worst it is so below par that the fans simply do not wish to see it anymore.

    3. Fans morale - The general consensus on forums seems to be that CC does not care anymore and is engineering his departure. Apparently CC wanted to go down south in the summer and this request was not granted. Whilst I dont believe a professional should ever do such a thing, we all know that football is strange game. Can I ask if the board is aware of this rumour and if so what should be done to address it? This surely cannot sit well with stakeholders of the club?? Can CC not address the media stating his desire to progress and set some targets for the season? HMFC's board make wild promises of SPL trophies and splitting the old firm - we have not yet been told what CC's objectives are. We must be aiming higher than fight for SPL survival.

    If these issues are not addressed soon, I fear the 'long term view' you have for the club will be a void issue given that supporters in the short term have lost all interest and completely disillusioned by the club.

    I therefore urge the board to please come forward and address the fans. Fyfe has stated that protestors will be met to discuss the clubs views and opinions...my question is...why are we waiting for a reaction to this? Why isnt the board pro-actively assisting the manager who clearly has your backing by appeasing fans and striking a dialogue with us??

    I am a Hibs fan whether I like it or not... my father saw to that!! I love my club dearly and though defeats will inevitably happen, I feel we have for the most part been modestly successful. I now have a niece who wishes to come with our group to ER and we have said that this wont happen for the foreseeable. The negativity (in whatever form that is) is chasing people away...surely this cant continue.

    My heartfelt thanks to you for all your efforts in an unenviable position. I trust that as responsible shareholders and SUPPORTERS of our grand old club, you will act accordingly.


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    I got quite a detailed response the last time I emailed, it's not really fair to expect that they'll give a lengthy reply to everything. Hopefully their time is being spent making managerial inquires.

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    I also got response and a phone call from Fyffe. Surely you can't expect respect when you describe the club manger as a clown in correspondence to the board. Constructive criticism always gets a better response than an out and out attack

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucky View Post
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    I also got response and a phone call from Fyffe. Surely you can't expect respect when you describe the club manger as a clown in correspondence to the board. Constructive criticism always gets a better response than an out and out attack
    I would agree with that and I don't expect anyone from the club to spend time crafting replies to what could amount to 100s of complaints on a weekly basis? If you stick the boot in then don't expect a great response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucky View Post
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    I also got response and a phone call from Fyffe. Surely you can't expect respect when you describe the club manger as a clown in correspondence to the board. Constructive criticism always gets a better response than an out and out attack

    My thought exactly, I reply to many a complaint and if I had read that I would have thought the writer was a clown and binned it!

    Just my opinon on the letter and not an attack on the poster before anyone goes off on one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee View Post
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    My thought exactly, I reply to many a complaint and if I had read that I would have thought the writer was a clown and binned it!

    Just my opinon on the letter and not an attack on the poster before anyone goes off on one
    Your comments have been noted, thanks for writing in!
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    constructive criticism

    I hear the point on constructive criticism - I too was very conscious to keep my comments as diplomatic as I could - equally i dont want fife emailing all day - he has bigger fish to fry.

    What I will say though is the board need to welcome feedback - I always accpt any I receive provided its constructive.

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    What a joke of a response from the board. I myself emailed them a few weeks ago.....read on

    Dear David

    Thanks for your email and your points are noted and some responses below:

    Reducing ticket prices does not increase attendances. Even free tickets do not fill the stadium, as Green Day demonstrated last season. It does however, reduce revenue for the Club, and investment in the team. What does increase attendances is a winning and entertaining team, and that is what we are focused on building.

    Working with Colin I can easily dispel any myths that he is engineering an exit from the Club, despite what the conspiracy theorists propound. We have never doubted his commitment or dedication to the job in hand, despite the unsettling summer, and Colin remains a thoughtful and intensely focused professional who wants to succeed in the game, and to think otherwise is ridiculous.

    The Board address and interact with the supporters regularly as I thought you would know and understand – whether it is by email or on the phone daily, I am engaging with and listening to supporters. We recently ran an in-depth survey asking for supporter feedback; I wrote to all season and lapsed season members asking them for their views. Scott and myself are regularly on Hibernian TV providing updates. The Chairman, Scott, Jamie and myself are regularly in Behind the Goals on a Matchday. I doubt there is a Board in the SPL that is as accessible as we are, and as tuned in to supporter opinion. Meeting with any supporter, protester or otherwise is just part of an ongoing open door policy we already employ, it doesn’t take the threat of a protest for us to engage.

    Thanks again for writing in and hope to see you at Motherwell tonight, supporting the team.

    All the best

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    Well, well. If ever there was a reason to sack a manager its this one. I challenge any of the Board members who read this to try and justify when and where the current manager has even attempted to put an entertaining team on the park.

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    Well, well. If ever there was a reason to sack a manager its this one. I challenge any of the Board members who read this to try and justify when and where the current manager has even attempted to put an entertaining team on the park.
    I'm sure he's attempting to put an entertaining team out, it just appears to be outwith his capabilities.
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    interesting

    quite interesting to hear the views on fifes repsonse.

    What would you all say is the percentage of Hibs fans who want CC oot?

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    I'm more disappointed in the naivety of our supporters than the responses from management

    Surely we can do better than email?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shearer1981 View Post
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    quite interesting to hear the views on fifes repsonse.

    What would you all say is the percentage of Hibs fans who want CC oot?
    Well there's a wee straw poll somewhere on here saying around 89-90%.

    I'd be interested to hear what the players think.

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    I'm more disappointed in the naivety of our supporters than the responses from management

    Surely we can do better than email?
    A pie embargo, bovrilov cocktails and some harsh songs?

    Personally, I think a petition, signing a very simple no-frills, no-demands statement of no confidence in the Chairman and Manager be handed in at the AGM on the 8th November would be the way to go.

    I'll even throw in the wording for free:

    We the undersigned have no confidence in the Chairman and Manager of Hibernian FC.

    Print the sucker off (include large sections of the Calendar signing thread) and get someone to give it to the top table at the AGM. A thousand plus signatures ought to spell it out clearly enough. At the moment, it's just rage on websites and boos in the stands. When it's sitting in front of you in crayon with the scrawls of real people, it should make you wonder whether its worth carrying on the pretence that they know what they're doing...

    You can set it up quite easily on a website like this: http://www.petitiononline.co.uk/

    A few volunteers collecting real signatures over the next couple of home games is probably more impressive than circulating something that people can add to anonymously/electronically though if we're needing it by the AGM, an online one with a good number of signatures would do nicely.

    In reality - how many signatures would be doing well? A couple of thousand I'd say, would be very good going.

    This is all purely "for example" - I'm happy enough to bitch from my sofa because it's more comfortable and I don't have to do anything.

    Apart from that, booing in the stands and refusing to buy merchandise.
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    Here's the not-so detailed reply I received from the board to an Email I sent in on Sat night. No wonder how club is in the mess it is currently...


    Well, how refreshing that you are so interested in what the fans(the people who pay YOUR wages) have to say that all you can muster in response to my comments is this pathetic one-liner!!!

    No wonder attendances are dropping like a stone and we have just posted our first financial loss in years!!!!

    To say I am disgusted at your response would be a massive understatement, it certainly makes me wonder if I should continue to stump up my hard-earned cash to support a club that shows such little interest in it's support!!!


    Hi
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    Dear Mr Hyland,

    I find myself typing this Email to you, just back from yet another hapless performance and yet another home defeat.

    So, here we are in mid-October and ONE solitary point off the bottom of the SPL.

    I was all for giving Colin Calderwood more time at the start of the season but come on enough is enough. The man clearly doesn't have a clue what his best line-up is, he constantly plays players out of their natural position and above all he has us playing a brand of football that would make your eyes bleed. Meanwhile the likes of Motherwell, Kilmarnock and St Mirren, I am sure you will agree, much smaller clubs than us with a lower fanbase, are playing attractive exciting football.

    I for one have had enough of spending my hard-earned cash every week to watch this absolute rubbish. £22 and yet the Motherwell goalie could have take the afternoon off, for all he had to do.

    You asked us to stand up and be counted, well now it's your turn. For god's sake act now before it's too late, we are already down to crowds of 8500, does that not tell you something?

    Mr Calderwood now has one of the WORST records of any Hibs manager, and his year in charge has been utterly miserable for everyone concerned. Probably even himself, as clearly he does not want to be here, his manner on the touchline every Sat tells me that.

    As a board of directors, you made a massive mistake in the summer not accepting the compensation offered to let this clown go and you are now paying a heavy price for that mistake, as are we the paying public.

    I really don't know how much longer I am prepared to stump up cash that I can ill afford in these difficult times to watch that rubbish week in week out...

    You may have given us a lovely stadium and training complex, but for want of a better phrase, the team on the park are c##p!!!! And that is solely Mr Calderwood's responsibility. His record is appalling and in any other walk of like he would have been dismissed quite some time ago!!!

    A very disgruntled fan
    (Judging by today's attendance, 1 of 1000's)
    I read your post the other day and thought that this is the kind of response you'd get. You can't go spouting words like crap and calling people clowns and expect a measured reply from the club. A lesson learned perhaps?

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    is this the email address club@hibernianfc.co.uk?

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    Well there's a wee straw poll somewhere on here saying around 89-90%.
    I'd be interested to hear what the players think.
    Polls need to be taken with a pinch of salt because supporters will ultimately base their opinion on results. How many rants did you see on the message board after the 5 game unbeaten run, the win against St Johnstone and 10 goals in 4 games?

    What supporters dont see is what is going on at the training centre, how players are responding, what the manager is discussing with the board and whether general improvements are being made.

    If a customer phoned me and told me to sack an engineer because he'd not done a very good job I sure as hell would do it based on their opinion, when I could see for myself how he was performing day in day out.

    Supporters can rant as much as they want but it's the guys that can see what is happening on a daily basis that will be in the best position to decide what action needs to be taken.


    Oh .. and I agree with the other poster .. if I received an email like the one in the OP I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have wasted too much time putting together a response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StevieC View Post
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    Polls need to be taken with a pinch of salt because supporters will ultimately base their opinion on results. How many rants did you see on the message board after the 5 game unbeaten run, the win against St Johnstone and 10 goals in 4 games?

    What supporters dont see is what is going on at the training centre, how players are responding, what the manager is discussing with the board and whether general improvements are being made.

    If a customer phoned me and told me to sack an engineer because he'd not done a very good job I sure as hell would do it based on their opinion, when I could see for myself how he was performing day in day out.

    Supporters can rant as much as they want but it's the guys that can see what is happening on a daily basis that will be in the best position to decide what action needs to be taken.


    Oh .. and I agree with the other poster .. if I received an email like the one in the OP I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have wasted too much time putting together a response.
    Fitba people ken whit's goin' oan....

    Yes - polls on h/net, the internet in general are totally unreliable. 89-90% of people who responded with a view about the situation... said CC should go.

    I also agree - a ranting email sent to the board probably won't get far. General, measured comments about the entertainment on display from the perspective of a paying customer/mug are, I would say, fair game though a personal response is a nice touch and not necessarily something to be expected. On the one hand, customer engagement which seems to focus on things other than the dire performance on the field - the evidence that is staring us in the face - is one of my annoyances with the club, on the other hand clearly there is an attempt to ask questions and listen even if it is about a particular subject only.

    I think the fans have got a right to be hacked off. Seeing your bit there about the five game run and a couple of good wins together is also about context and perspective. If I have a few bad days at work but over the piece, I'm a good employee, I wouldn't expect to be sacked for it. If I only have a few good days at work, in amongst generally poor performance then I think we both know what I would expect to happen...
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    Quote Originally Posted by steakbake View Post
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    Fitba people ken whit's goin' oan....
    I'm glad somebody does.

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    If I have a few bad days at work but over the piece, I'm a good employee, I wouldn't expect to be sacked for it. If I only have a few good days at work, in amongst generally poor performance then I think we both know what I would expect to happen...
    But what if during the first six months of your employment you are unable to work to your full capability because you had to waste time tidying up the mess that the previous (sacked) employee left behind?
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    In fairness looking back perhaps it wasn't wise to use the words "clown" and c##p", however I am angry at what is happening to the club I love and support and don't feel that passion is being shown by our manager, the board or the current playing staff. I also raised a number of valid points and concerns, none of which were answered...

    Surely at this time you would expect our board to do everything possible to try and keep what's left of the fanbase on side???

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevieC View Post
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    Polls need to be taken with a pinch of salt because supporters will ultimately base their opinion on results. How many rants did you see on the message board after the 5 game unbeaten run, the win against St Johnstone and 10 goals in 4 games?
    Oh for ****s sakes, where are your standards for Hibernian football club?

    DRAWING AGAINST TEAMS WE SHOULD BE BEATING IS NOTHING TO CELEBRATE, AND SCORING GOALS MEANS NOTHING IF YOU'RE CONCEDING AS MANY.

    ****s sakes, can we PLEASE look at what we were achieving just a handful of seasons ago and make a stand for where our football club SHOULD be?

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    I'm glad somebody does.



    But what if during the first six months of your employment you are unable to work to your full capability because you had to waste time tidying up the mess that the previous (sacked) employee left behind?
    Ok so from when CC came in, we can write off his first 6 months. Forgetting that there was a window halfway through that. So this year - finally - the team is his own and we can really judge him on his results from now!

    No wait: we weren't ready and he wasn't sure over the summer, so let's start counting from after the January window... etc etc.

    If a company hires me and the previous person has left a mess, they're paying me to use my expertise to get it fixed, not rely on it as an excuse in exchange for an easy ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucky View Post
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    I also got response and a phone call from Fyffe. Surely you can't expect respect when you describe the club manger as a clown in correspondence to the board. Constructive criticism always gets a better response than an out and out attack
    I sent a detailed email to the board (see below) last week. I like to think I was constructive and intelligent in my points. I got a response and called Fife. While it was good of him to take the time to speak to me, I was dissapointed in the conversation. I felt like I was an iritant, and that Fife went through the motions. I didn't feel any of my points were properly addressed, or that there was an effort to understand what would get me back.

    I wasn't going to post my email, but as there is already a thread, ach, why not. Apologies for the length of it.

    "Dear Hibs Board,

    I haven't written to the club before, but I feel now is the time to raise what I feel are valid concerns, in what I hope is a constructive manner.

    I am 25, and until two years ago had been a season ticket holder for 8 years. For those 8 years Hibs were a main part of my life, win lose or draw I would be at Easter Road, and wherever money permitting I would travel to away games. I feel it is important to try and portray some of the reasons why I decided not to renew after 8 years. It is fair to say that in my teens and early twenties I had more expendable cash and less commitments as I do now, and the older I have got the more my priorities in life have changed and Hibs have been displaced to certain degrees by the likes of family and property. However these are just factors, not the sole reasons. The money is of course important, especially at this time, but it is the time that matters more to me than the costs of football. For the last two seasons I had a season ticket I stopped enjoying going to Hibs matches, and come 5pm I'd feel I had wasted an afternoon that could have been better spent. I even stopped attending season ticket games. There was no fight in the team, no fitness, no organisation, nothing to relate to or get behind. That, not necessarily results, is what caused me not just to drift away, but to actually go as far as to feel much apathy towards Hibs. Which is where I am now. At first I felt guilty for not renewing, but as time has passed I have come to realise I have nothing to feel guilty about and I have no obligation to spend money on something I no longer enjoy or feel is far from value for money. An upturn in fortunes and results isn't the quick fix to get me back, what would get me back permanently is a complete transformation with a lot of aspects I'll cover below, but to start with the team being organised, fit and a feeling that win lose or draw they put a shift in worthy of earning their wage.

    I feel I have some genuine points and that I should give you the chance to respond to, or even challenge.

    I am not sure what the long term strategy of the board is. It is all very well saying success on the park, and qualification for Europe is the aim, but under Mowbray you were very happy to talk about "upward spirals" and even wrote a 5 year plan. Those 5 years are up now, I would like to see the points of a five year plan from now and how you plan to stop the "downward spiral" we are currently in. Personally, it feels like, to a large degree, you were happy to ride the crest of the Mowbray wave, but now all we get is sound bites, not a structured plan.

    I would also like to know why we haven't taken the positive aspects of former managers and implemented them.

    Collins - he hired a French fitness coach. The results of this being the fittest Hibs squad I have ever seen. We certainly gained extra point(s) simply through being fitter than the opposition and finishing games strongly.

    Mixu - he had us organised, and hard to break down, particularly against the top 6.

    Yogi - He had good contacts which allowed us to sign players of the calibre of Anthony Stokes and Liam Miller.

    I appreciate each manager has his own way of doing things, however, that is, to me anyway, 3 universal points that are applicable regardless of who is in charge - fitness, organisation and scouting network. As a fan, it may not be as simple as applying aspects A, B and C. However, why have we not been as successful in these aspects after since each of these managers left? To me, these are 3 parts of the infrastructure are as important, if not more so, than a manager.

    Do we not have budget for specific coaches, e.g. a fitness coach, a defensive coach etc? Is it down to the manager to hire what staff he wants? If so, can you not make a strong case to suggest these aspects would help the manager?
    Why have no Hibs team been as fit as Collins team, which trained on public parks before the training centre?
    Does the Hibs scouting network need revamped? I appreciate the loss of John Park was a big loss, but we have missed out on lots of quality players that were within our budget, particularly from the lower leagues - e.g. Robert Snodgrass, Graham Dorrans, Leigh Griffiths, Kevin McDonald, James McCarthy, James McArthur etc. Dundee Utd have done very well in recent years from the lower leagues, Mario Gomez, Danny Swanson, Prince Buaben, to name but a few. Under Mowbray you could see that the policy was to look at young players from a higher level who we could polish up and sell on, David Murphy, Dean Shiels etc. Currently we appear to be signing experienced players on shorter term contracts.

    The last point I have is about the youth at Hibs. It is unreasonable to expect that we would see the same crop as the "golden generation" coming through at the same time, but we don't appear to be having the same success with youth as we were once renowned for. In recent season the likes of Booth, Wotherspoon and Hanlon have come through. All 3 are talented, and should be first team players for years to come, however, the progress of each has stalled, and in some cases started to regress. I don't want to point the finger at the likes of Calderwood, that is a different argument altogether, one of which I have made an effort to stay clear off as my points are about more than who the current manager may be. We have everything in place to be producing youngsters, and when they come through, the facilities to help them improve. I would be interested to hear how you feel the youth set up is doing, and the progressing of current first team players?

    I hope I have come across in a constructive manner and appreciate you taking the time to read and respond. I have stayed clear of a lot of the current gripes by fans, the current management, finances, budgets, the player revolt/Collins etc. I have an opinion on these, but the point of this email is to discuss what I feel are more fundamental issues, rather than what are, in some cases, more knee jerk reactions.

    Thank You,

    Tam"
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    Pretty sad that we are all happy to hide behind our keyboards but when offered the chance to talk face to face with the club we run for cover.

    It's all very well writing letters, emails and petitions but they will be completeley ineffective in bringing about the changes we seek.

    It's like our supporters genuinely do not care enough for the future of our football club to get off our lazy backsides and go the extra mile.

    Pathetic!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elephant Stone View Post
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    I got quite a detailed response the last time I emailed, it's not really fair to expect that they'll give a lengthy reply to everything. Hopefully their time is being spent making managerial inquires.
    Agreed I would hope they have bigger and better things to be doing than reply to everyone who is annoyed and has a hotmail account. I would suggest providing one reply opens the flood gates to an expectation that email users can become weekly pen "friends" with the board. I am sure they are more aware of the whole situation than the fans, and what they can and cant do in terms of "incentivising" people to be supporters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H18SVG View Post
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    I too have sent an electronic mail message to the board and await a response.

    Dear Mr Hibs.
    I am so far up myself I thought I should e-mail you to point out your failings. While I have never run a football club I know that anyone with half a brain, I include myself in this number, can do so by reading glasgow based papers.
    I also know how to manage better than Mr Manager at Hibs because I once read a Janet and John book.
    So far this season attendances have fallen on average by two thousand compared to last seasons end. I feel I can speak on behalf of each and every one of these non attendees that the solitary reason they have turned their back on my club that you own is Mr Manager.
    Every other club in the world has improved while we are in decline, a situation which cannot, must not and cannot be allowed to continue.
    There is a law in Leithshire that no other club is allowed to score more goals than us in any game or even beat us never mind win.

    I await a detailed response on the actions you intend to take to improve the present debacle.


    PS
    If you have sacked Mr Manager already, please feel free to use this in six months.

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    Is this how our 500K board earn their crust? Replying to emails and returning calls to quite rightly p'd off supporters....

    Tells me they've too much time on their hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smurf View Post
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    Is this how our 500K board earn their crust? Replying to emails and returning calls to quite rightly p'd off supporters....

    Tells me they've too much time on their hands.
    You'd rather they ignored the emails and calls? You don't think this is how they're earning their crust, do you? This is something that they need to be doing at the moment, but it will be a very small part of what they are earning their money from.
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    You'd rather they ignored the emails and calls? You don't think this is how they're earning their crust, do you? This is something that they need to be doing at the moment, but it will be a very small part of what they are earning their money from.
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