The Final Straw?

[green glory]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15324347.stm

Judging by CC's comments here, it's starting to look like there's a split opening up between the manager and the players, espcially when you consider GOC looking for guidance from the bench on Saturday and not getting any. I think I've been very patient, and I've supported CC up till now, but enough's enough.

Generally they have been getting better (very slowly) since the Hearts game, notwithstanding the defeat at Ibrox. Maybe Saturday was just a glitch and they'll be back on track this Saturday in Paisley. But if not, and we have to suffer a third consecutive defeat (looking likely with St Mirren's current form) then for me, time's up.

Think I'd be happy with BB taking over as manager, he's got the required commitment and fire. Michael O'Neill is being headhunted by Dundee united, Hibs should be getting into the race for him. How about Danny Lennon? I'd take him in a minute, although not sure what his contractual obligations are.

If they can't get a win under their belts on Saturday, with 2 games following against Celtic we could be looking at 5 consecutive defeats since the Rangers game. SURELY that would be enough to justify sacking him, no matter what his contract says.

I'll be there on Saturday dude! I'm watching you! Last chance.

[blackpoolhibs]

"We didn't play, because we were scared of playing. We didn't get anywhere near putting any pressure on them

At least he can see part of the problem, although he never mentioned haveing a back 4 so slow they have to sit far too deep, that bring the problem of the forwards not getting enough support. He also forgot to mention the lack of any player with an ounce of creativity, a player who can dictate the game, drive the team forward, a leader.

He's a clown, HE SPRAFFS MORE ***** THAN YOGI EVER DID.

[Dr Jimmy]

Thought it was strange to see o'connor run straight down the tunnel at full time on Sat. Didn't look too happy .

[hibsbollah]

O'Connor and Richie Towell looked furious at FT. Ivan was being abused by a fat clown in the east and ivan stared him down, and looked peed off throughout. Pallsons coupon is as grim as his current form.

There are splits in that dressing room, and a few dont want to be here, its as clear as day.

[blackpoolhibs]

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O'Connor and Richie Towell looked furious at FT. Ivan was being abused by a fat clown in the east and ivan stared him down, and looked peed off throughout. Pallsons coupon is as grim as his current form.

There are splits in that dressing room, and a few dont want to be here, its as clear as day.

Ivan did not have the best of games, but in his defence he did get injured in the very first minute, and was told to play deeper to mark Humphreys, a job he did reasonably well.

He had to do that job, as we dont have one defender at the club with pace that would trouble Jarko Wiss. We dont have a right back or a left back apart from Booth either, why Colin?

[greenlex]

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"We didn't play, because we were scared of playing. We didn't get anywhere near putting any pressure on them

At least he can see part of the problem, although he never mentioned haveing a back 4 so slow they have to sit far too deep, that bring the problem of the forwards not getting enough support. He also forgot to mention the lack of any player with an ounce of creativity, a player who can dictate the game, drive the team forward, a leader.

He's a clown, HE SPRAFFS MORE ***** THAN YOGI EVER DID.

Nonsense. Yogi would have been proud of his boys And said he could ask no more.

[IWasThere2016]

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Nonsense. Yogi would have been proud of his boys And said he could ask no more.

While smiling like a deluded halfwit

[blackpoolhibs]

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Nonsense. Yogi would have been proud of his boys And said he could ask no more.

Yogi talked some crap, we could all see that. Although even Alex Ferguson never slaughters his players in public, and says that kind of phrase, when every fan can see its bollox.

You can bet your last penny its different off camera.

[blackpoolhibs]

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While smiling like a deluded halfwit

There's not much smiling now with your man in charge. When will this clown ever take Hibs to 4th, and give us europe?

[Seveno]

O'Connor worked hard in the first half and tried his bets to get the midfield to press Motherwell higher up the pitch. All to no avail.


No wonder he was p***ed off.

[IWasThere2016]

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There's not much smiling now with your man in charge. When will this clown ever take Hibs to 4th, and give us europe?

I doubt he will, G. I have my doubts now and have repeatedly stated he must start winning games.

But months on I won't be greetin' about him

[Albion Hibs]

A reasonable statement from CC, I can see a lot of sense in it and I would agree with it. At times during the first half a few in the midfield looked to be hiding and making out like they were interested in getting the ball.

I think at lot of our players probably prefer to play away from home at the moment, and I think most teams probably focus on keeping the ball for the first 10/15 mins even in deep areas because they know that even after that amount of time a section of the fans will begin losing the plot and get on our own players backs.

[MotherSuperior]

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"We didn't play, because we were scared of playing. We didn't get anywhere near putting any pressure on themAt least he can see part of the problem, although he never mentioned haveing a back 4 so slow they have to sit far too deep, that bring the problem of the forwards not getting enough support. He also forgot to mention the lack of any player with an ounce of creativity, a player who can dictate the game, drive the team forward, a leader.He's a clown, HE SPRAFFS MORE ***** THAN YOGI EVER DID.

I think we had to sit deep against motherwell, as we would have been punished with balls over the top to that speed merchant Humphrey's. We did pose more of an attacking threat in the second half, but to be honest they even had the better chances in that half as well. You're right tho the defence is terrible, we leak goals if we push up or sit deep, so what can we do? New defenders are a priority whoever is in charge in January.

[IWasThere2016]

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A reasonable statement from CC, I can see a lot of sense in it and I would agree with it. At times during the first half a few in the midfield looked to be hiding and making out like they were interested in getting the ball.

I think at lot of our players probably prefer to play away from home at the moment, and I think most teams probably focus on keeping the ball for the first 10/15 mins even in deep areas because they know that even after that amount of time a section of the fans will begin losing the plot and get on our own players backs.

And that is unacceptable - regardless if home or away. You have to want the ball and want to make things happen.

[blackpoolhibs]

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I think we had to sit deep against motherwell, as we would have been punished with balls over the top to that speed merchant Humphrey's. We did pose more of an attacking threat in the second half, but to be honest they even had the better chances in that half as well. You're right tho the defence is terrible, we leak goals if we push up or sit deep, so what can we do? New defenders are a priority whoever is in charge in January.

Yes i agree about Humphrey, and thats why Sproule was probably a lot quieter than we'd have all liked him to be. Although when you have a team passing the ball around the back and midfield without any pressure, you do have to squeeze the game. FFS this was Motherwell, not rantic. Sitting so deep invites the opposition on to you, fine and dandy if you have the pace to exploit that on the break. We dont though, and we cant keep the ball anyway due to having nobody with enough quality to create in the middle of the park.

[Albion Hibs]

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And that is unacceptable - regardless if home or away. You have to want the ball and want to make things happen.

Agree completely. On more than a few occassions Palsson stayed back like he could not be ersed, and Scott and Osborne ran into spaces convieniently behind opposition players and started waving their arms around like they wanted the ball. Our CF need to take some responsibility for not dropping in and helping out, if they have an extra man, one of them needs to come back in when they have the ball, school boy stuff.

[blackpoolhibs]

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I doubt he will, G. I have my doubts now and have repeatedly stated he must start winning games.

But months on I won't be greetin' about him

Yet its funny how or why you are not greetin about this one, strange eh?

[IWasThere2016]

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Yet its funny how or why you are not greetin about this one, strange eh?

[blackpoolhibs]

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No idea why you are so confused, you were getting stuck right into hughes long before and after he went, yet hardly a wimper at this one. Thats whats strange.

[truehibernian]

Garry looked across to the bench after 20 minutes on Saturday and asked for the staff to encourage the team to push up. He got no reaction and quite rightly looked to the sky.

First half we played two very similar holding type players (Towell and Osbourne) who seemed content to spray passes side to side instead of having the confidence to take the ball forward and the man on. Scott offered nothing on the right, and whenever Palsson received the ball he near always turned inside and played a square pass (either because he was not confident, or at times Scott was posted missing on that side).

GOC was having to continually drop deeper (as was Agogo) to collect and turn. This meant when a decent pass or cross was put in, our attackers were playing catch up.

Second half we played better, (not hard) our midfield had a bit more urgency, and despite losing the ball cheaply a couple of times, both Osbourne and Wotherspoon were committed to going forward at any opportunity. That position DW played is his best position, although he did drop too deep for me latterly.


What annoyed me more than anything was that when Well took the ball, they played 'heads up', facing forward, and every pass meant something (Hibs having to think, defend, run).

Our passes were really needless..............Stack to Palsson to O'Hanlon to Murray to Stack..........always five passes that really didn't get anywhere. Pointless possession. In a sense, that was what irritated Mixu so much and why he was misunderstood when he said he wanted more direct football. Playing on the edge of your own box leads to disaster, especialy in the SPL where players are simply not good at retaining possession. Look at Killie first half when they humped us...........they were suicidal at times there.

Slow defenders, fearful midfielders, good strikers...........that is Hibs at present. Easy to beat, easy to gauge, easy to read. The midfield needs mixed up a little and to be frank, I wouldn't be against recalling Smith for left back, playing Boothy (once fit) at left midfield, and trying Palsson, Thornhill and Osbourne in midfield. With Griffiths and GOC up top.

Next window...........someone to excite in the middle please, and please please please...........a real no nonsense, experienced, loud mouthed, could hear him shouting in Lochend centre half !

[Stevie Reid]

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A quick look back shows that it was 1 April 2010 when you decided that Yogi wasn't the man for Hibs, the day after we had suffered our 9th league defeat of the season in our 31st SPL game. Yet here we are having been defeated 6 times in our first 9 league games, with CC's latest defeat taking him one ahead of Hughes in number of defeats suffered in 9 less games played (overall records), and all you can say is that we need to start winning games.

It is strange, regardless of any blame that you attach to unworkable legacies and the building of the new stand.

[Stevie Reid]

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Garry looked across to the bench after 20 minutes on Saturday and asked for the staff to encourage the team to push up. He got no reaction and quite rightly looked to the sky.

First half we played two very similar holding type players (Towell and Osbourne) who seemed content to spray passes side to side instead of having the confidence to take the ball forward and the man on. Scott offered nothing on the right, and whenever Palsson received the ball he near always turned inside and played a square pass (either because he was not confident, or at times Scott was posted missing on that side).

GOC was having to continually drop deeper (as was Agogo) to collect and turn. This meant when a decent pass or cross was put in, our attackers were playing catch up.

Second half we played better, (not hard) our midfield had a bit more urgency, and despite losing the ball cheaply a couple of times, both Osbourne and Wotherspoon were committed to going forward at any opportunity. That position DW played is his best position, although he did drop too deep for me latterly.


What annoyed me more than anything was that when Well took the ball, they played 'heads up', facing forward, and every pass meant something (Hibs having to think, defend, run).

Our passes were really needless..............Stack to Palsson to O'Hanlon to Murray to Stack..........always five passes that really didn't get anywhere. Pointless possession. In a sense, that was what irritated Mixu so much and why he was misunderstood when he said he wanted more direct football. Playing on the edge of your own box leads to disaster, especialy in the SPL where players are simply not good at retaining possession. Look at Killie first half when they humped us...........they were suicidal at times there.

Slow defenders, fearful midfielders, good strikers...........that is Hibs at present. Easy to beat, easy to gauge, easy to read. The midfield needs mixed up a little and to be frank, I wouldn't be against recalling Smith for left back, playing Boothy (once fit) at left midfield, and trying Palsson, Thornhill and Osbourne in midfield. With Griffiths and GOC up top.

Next window...........someone to excite in the middle please, and please please please...........a real no nonsense, experienced, loud mouthed, could hear him shouting in Lochend centre half !

Probably the only positive from the weekend was DW's performance in midfield (even though he did have a couple of bad moments) - hopefully his confidence can return and he can begin to utilise his considerable attributes.

[IWasThere2016]

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No idea why you are so confused, you were getting stuck right into hughes long before and after he went, yet hardly a wimper at this one. Thats whats strange.

I was talking about greetin' months after he's away as you have done with Yogi

Re CC - looks like he will be away soon .. which given as the results aren't coming is the correct decision.

I couldnae care who manages Hibs - but they have to be up to the job.

[IWasThere2016]

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A quick look back shows that it was 1 April 2010 when you decided that Yogi wasn't the man for Hibs, the day after we had suffered our 9th league defeat of the season in our 31st SPL game. Yet here we are having been defeated 6 times in our first 9 league games, with CC's latest defeat taking him one ahead of Hughes in number of defeats suffered in 9 less games played (overall records), and all you can say is that we need to start winning games.

It is strange, regardless of any blame that you attach to unworkable legacies and the building of the new stand.

See above. Yogi wasn't up to the job .. looks that way for CC also - I have been more patient as CC inherited a shambles. Yogi didn't - he created one Ask RP.

Although we are better off than last season we are nowhere near an acceptable position so the manager should go unless there's a very quick upturn. When CC goes, the Boardroom needs change also.

[Stevie Reid]

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See above. Yogi wasn't up to the job .. looks that way for CC also - I have been more patient as CC inherited a shambles. Yogi didn't - he created one Ask RP.

Although we are better off than last season we are nowhere near an acceptable position so the manager should go unless there's a very quick upturn. When CC goes, the Boardroom needs change also.

CC may have inherited a shambles but having been given huge scope to give the entire squad a makeover, he's just created an even bigger one. It's even more obvious that CC isn't up to the job than it was with Hughes.

[IWasThere2016]

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CC may have inherited a shambles but having been given huge scope to give the entire squad a makeover, he's just created an even bigger one. It's even more obvious that CC isn't up to the job than it was with Hughes.

Matter of opinion .. but CC needs wins or it has to be ta-ta. Hopefully with RP closely behind him.

[Stevie Reid]

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Matter of opinion .. but CC needs wins or it has to be ta-ta. Hopefully with RP closely behind him.

It's pretty much a matter of fact now, really - CC has managed Hibs for 9 less games than Hughes did, and if Calderwood were to win 8 of those and draw one, his record still wouldn't be as good as Hughes'.

Hopefully Petrie will not be involved in the next appointment.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Matter of opinion .. but CC needs wins or it has to be ta-ta. Hopefully with RP closely behind him.

CC needs wins, but Hughes needed punting. mare faces than the town hall clock.

[IWasThere2016]

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CC needs wins, but Hughes needed punting. mare faces than the town hall clock.

See previous posts re inheriting a shambles. Should be too difficult to understand

[blackpoolhibs]

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See previous posts re inheriting a shambles. Should be too difficult to understand

There was no shambles, this is a shambles. If you are telling me we are better now than when he took over, you have never seen this team play.