Super Caldo v Def Duffmeister

[Dashing Bob S]

One for the statisticians - when will Caldo's record officially become worse than than the Duffster's?

[bawheid]

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One for the statisticians - when will Caldo's record officially become worse than than the Duffster's?

Duffy managed Hibs for 48 games and won 10. Calderwood has managed Hibs for ten games less and has won 10.

However, Calderwood's Hibs have lost 22 times, only once less than Duffy's side.

At the moment, their records are comparable. It will be very interesting to see what the stats say in 10 games time, when they'll have managed Hibs for the same number of matches.

A huge two months for Calderwood.

[hibsbollah]

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Duffy managed Hibs for 48 games and won 10. Calderwood has managed Hibs for ten games less and has won 10.

However, Calderwood's Hibs have lost 22 times, only once less than Duffy's side.

At the moment, their records are comparable. It will be very interesting to see what the stats say in 10 games time, when they'll have managed Hibs for the same number of matches.

A huge two months for Calderwood.

Hmmm. So Calderwood needs to amass 10 points out of the next 10 games to leap over Duffy's legendary managerial record, say 3 wins 1 draw 6 defeats.

This is a great challenge. Lets hope the players and fans get behind him as we plan for this great assault on history. Its a tall order, but if you don't aim for the moon you'll never reach the stars. Or something.

[easty]

I always wished we would get a manager who was only slightly better than Duff Jimmy. So come on CC let's get those 3 wins and a draw. Prove that dreams do come true.

[iwasthere1972]

Duffy's league record for Hibs against the Yams.

1/1/1997 Lost 4-0
15/3/1997 Lost 1-0
8/11/1997 Lost 2-0
1/1/1998 Drew 2-2

Played 4 Won 0 Lost 3 Drew 1 For 2 Against 9

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Calderwood's league record for Hibs against the Yams.

7/11/2010 Lost 2-0
1/1/2011 Lost 1-0
3/4/2011 Drew 2-2
28/8/2011 Lost 2-0

Played 4 Won 0 Lost 3 Drew 1 For 2 Against 7

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Calderwood wins on goal difference.

[bawheid]

I'm sensing sarcasm...

[woodyloon]

If we sre using comparisions....

Were Hibs not top of the SPL after 7 or 8 games before going into freefall and being relegated against Dundee United I think.

And if my memory is correct we beat Celtic on the opening day of the season, Chic Cheeko scoring the winner.

[Captain Trips]

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Hmmm. So Calderwood needs to amass 10 points out of the next 10 games to leap over Duffy's legendary managerial record, say 3 wins 1 draw 3 defeats.

This is a great challenge. Lets hope the players and fans get behind him as we plan for this great assault on history. Its a tall order, but if you don't aim for the moon you'll never reach the stars. Or something.

Indeed, exciting times ahead this is what it is all about. I had always hoped to see a challenge of this magnitude.

[HibeeMG]

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Hmmm. So Calderwood needs to amass 10 points out of the next 10 games to leap over Duffy's legendary managerial record, say 3 wins 1 draw 3 defeats.

This is a great challenge. Lets hope the players and fans get behind him as we plan for this great assault on history. Its a tall order, but if you don't aim for the moon you'll never reach the stars. Or something.

What are we getting out of the other 3 games?

[hibsbollah]

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What are we getting out of the other 3 games?

Dammit . Cannae count. See edit.

[Stevie Reid]

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If we sre using comparisions....

Were Hibs not top of the SPL after 7 or 8 games before going into freefall and being relegated against Dundee United I think.

And if my memory is correct we beat Celtic on the opening day of the season, Chic Cheeko scoring the winner.

Premier Division

Hibernian

2 – 1

Celtic

Easter Road, Edinburgh

3 August 1997

Premier Division

Dundee United

1 – 1

Hibernian

Tannadice Park, Dundee

17 August 1997

Premier Division

Hibernian

4 – 0

Kilmarnock

Easter Road, Edinburgh

23 August 1997

Premier Division

Hibernian

0 – 1

Heart of Midlothian

Easter Road, Edinburgh

30 August 1997

Premier Division

Hibernian

5 – 2

Dunfermline Athletic

Easter Road, Edinburgh

13 September 1997

Premier Division

Motherwell

1 – 1

Hibernian

Fir Park, Motherwell

20 September 1997

Premier Division

Hibernian

1 – 1

St. Johnstone

Easter Road, Edinburgh

27 September 1997

12 points and one defeat from first 7 SPL games - the next game was the 4-3 home game against Rangers where we were 3-1 just after half time up and destroying them, before capitulating after we missed a great chance to go 4-1 up a(was a Rangers team including Gascoigne, Laudrup, Albertz, Negri).

This was undoubtedly the defining moment of Duffy's management career at Hibs, we went into absolute freefall after this winning only once more in his remaining 16 games.

[Stevie Reid]

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Premier Division

Hibernian

2 – 1

Celtic

Easter Road, Edinburgh

3 August 1997

Premier Division

Dundee United

1 – 1

Hibernian

Tannadice Park, Dundee

17 August 1997

Premier Division

Hibernian

4 – 0

Kilmarnock

Easter Road, Edinburgh

23 August 1997

Premier Division

Hibernian

0 – 1

Heart of Midlothian

Easter Road, Edinburgh

30 August 1997

Premier Division

Hibernian

5 – 2

Dunfermline Athletic

Easter Road, Edinburgh

13 September 1997

Premier Division

Motherwell

1 – 1

Hibernian

Fir Park, Motherwell

20 September 1997

Premier Division

Hibernian

1 – 1

St. Johnstone

Easter Road, Edinburgh

27 September 1997

12 points and one defeat from first 7 SPL games - the next game was the 4-3 home game against Rangers where we were 3-1 just after half time up and destroying them, before capitulating after we missed a great chance to go 4-1 up a(was a Rangers team including Gascoigne, Laudrup, Albertz, Negri).

This was undoubtedly the defining moment of Duffy's management career at Hibs, we went into absolute freefall after this winning only once more in his remaining 16 games.

What's also interesting to note it you go to this page, is our attendances (go to 'show' at the end of every result): -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997%E2%80%9398_Hibernian_F.C._season

They held up really pretty well, even when we were struggling badly. I know that there was fresh hope after we got McLeish on board, but even before that the numbers at ER were decent. There will be no such support should we continue in this downward trajectory this season.

[Arch Stanton]

I must say I'm mightily impressed with the way the dozen or so anti-CC crowd have been able to look like they are a cast of thousands - with that kind of dedication you should all be working in call centres - the same script over and over with a few variations to make it all sound natural.

And, of course, if anyone tries to take you off course by making other points then just get back on script pronto - done like professionals!

On the downside though one does have to wonder just what is the point of all the frenzied negativity - given that we all know CC will be in the job for a while yet (with even a poll to prove that) - are people really so very desperate to deny CC the chance to make a go of things in his own way?

btw I'm not just targeting the OP on this - there seems to be a fair choice of threads which are subtly renamed clones of other ones.

[allezsauzee]

No comparison. Duffy is the worst manager we've ever had.

[HibeeMG]

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Dammit . Cannae count. See edit.

Yep, that's how I thought it might've gone!

[delbert]

This truly is like comparing two jobbies to see which is the smelliest !!

[Arch Stanton]

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This truly is like comparing two jobbies to see which is the smelliest !!

I wouldn't know.

[easty]

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This truly is like comparing two jobbies to see which is the smelliest !!

Would you call that taking the poopsie challenge?

[Dinkydoo]

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Would you call that taking the poopsie challenge?

That post has just made my day.

[majorhibs]

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I must say I'm mightily impressed with the way the dozen or so anti-CC crowd have been able to look like they are a cast of thousands - with that kind of dedication you should all be working in call centres - the same script over and over with a few variations to make it all sound natural.

And, of course, if anyone tries to take you off course by making other points then just get back on script pronto - done like professionals!

On the downside though one does have to wonder just what is the point of all the frenzied negativity - given that we all know CC will be in the job for a while yet (with even a poll to prove that) - are people really so very desperate to deny CC the chance to make a go of things in his own way?

btw I'm not just targeting the OP on this - there seems to be a fair choice of threads which are subtly renamed clones of other ones.

Should that no be the dozen or so pro-CC crowd - incidentally while on about stats - how many now have you & hibsmax totalled in defending "CC"?

[CabbageBoy]

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No comparison. Duffy is the worst manager we've ever had.

His team played football that p!sses all over the rubbish played under CC. At least they tried to entertain, and had a few decent results.

[Dashing Bob S]

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I must say I'm mightily impressed with the way the dozen or so anti-CC crowd have been able to look like they are a cast of thousands - with that kind of dedication you should all be working in call centres - the same script over and over with a few variations to make it all sound natural.

And, of course, if anyone tries to take you off course by making other points then just get back on script pronto - done like professionals!

On the downside though one does have to wonder just what is the point of all the frenzied negativity - given that we all know CC will be in the job for a while yet (with even a poll to prove that) - are people really so very desperate to deny CC the chance to make a go of things in his own way?

btw I'm not just targeting the OP on this - there seems to be a fair choice of threads which are subtly renamed clones of other ones.

I really don't think you're being fair there sir, but if you could just hold the line a second or two while we transfer you to another thread where one of our other posters will be pleased to deal with your inquiry...

[Sir David Gray]

Duffy's overall record;

P-46
W-8
D-15
L-23

Win %-17%
Loss%-50%

Calderwood's overall record;

P-38
W-10
D-6
L-22

Win %-26%
Loss %-58%

Duffy's league record;

P-39
W-7
D-12
L-20

Win %-18%
Loss%-51%
Points per game-0.8

Calderwood's league record;

P-35
W-9
D-5
L-21

Win%-25%
Loss%-60%
Points per game-0.9

We've already lost a far higher percentage of games under Calderwood than we did under Duffy but we would need to fail to win in our next 13 matches before our win percentage would become worse under Calderwood than it was under Duffy.

If we lose our next 4 games, our points per game stats will be worse under Calderwood.

All things considered, there's really not a lot between Duffy and Calderwood but Calderwood's not quite statistically as bad.

[Captain Trips]

I think that CC at this moment has a close record to one of our worst managers and this comparison is what 12/13 years on since Duffy really does indicate a severe problem at ER.

Since Duffy our off the field activity has changed dramatically and probably for better, we have had highs and lows but we remain very inconsistant, the last few years have seen a lot of managers come and go with a 4th place finish once in last 5 seasons which this far down the line is totally unacceptable.

Maybe some managers have not had enough time but IMO this board have had plenty of time to have Hibs in right place, if they are sacking managers after 18mths due to not getting the desired football results why are the board still in place whom have overseen a once in 5 year top 4 finish with a 10th place in there too, the football side of the business is a failure IMO and it has been failing long before CC arrived and continues now.

[Cool_Hand_Luke]

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His team played football that p!sses all over the rubbish played under CC. At least they tried to entertain, and had a few decent results.

At least there was a few goals scored as well. When was the last time we scored more than 1,2 or 3 in a (league) game?

[Wheat Hound]

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At least there was a few goals scored as well. When was the last time we scored more than 1,2 or 3 in a (league) game?

Under CC we have scored 3 against Rangers and no more than 2 goals in any other spl game. A truly disgraceful record that speaks volumes in itself notwithstanding the dreadful amount of losses and the fact we're bottom of the spl for the first time in a while.

[nortonhibby]

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Duffy's overall record;

P-46
W-8
D-15
L-23

Win %-17%
Loss%-50%

Calderwood's overall record;

P-38
W-10
D-6
L-22

Win %-26%
Loss %-58%

Duffy's league record;

P-39
W-7
D-12
L-20

Win %-18%
Loss%-51%
Points per game-0.8

Calderwood's league record;

P-35
W-9
D-5
L-21

Win%-25%
Loss%-60%
Points per game-0.9

We've already lost a far higher percentage of games under Calderwood than we did under Duffy but we would need to fail to win in our next 13 matches before our win percentage would become worse under Calderwood than it was under Duffy.

If we lose our next 4 games, our points per game stats will be worse under Calderwood.

All things considered, there's really not a lot between Duffy and Calderwood but Calderwood's not quite statistically as bad.

Yes we all know this but and a big but to throw into the mix no one ever came in for the Duffster half way through his rein and offered hard cash to take him down south.

RP As we al know is cash driven, in his head he must have thought he was on to a winner with CC.

The fact that NF Tried to get him as well as CH At Birmingham i think confued RPs Judgement.

If these approaches had not happened IMO CC would be gone by now.

RP Has staked everything on CC Delivering what TM Did for us and RP Will see it all the way its him or us now he will either win a watch will RP or get the can CC Is his lifeline.

Good luck RP you are going to need it.

[Sir David Gray]

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At least there was a few goals scored as well. When was the last time we scored more than 1,2 or 3 in a (league) game?

The last time we scored more than once in a single game was the last derby of last season (2-2), which was in April. We've gone 14 games in a row with only scoring, at best, one goal per game.

We only scored three goals in a single game on two occasions last season. The 3-0 win at Ibrox and the 3-2 win at Fir Park on the opening day of last season.

The last time we scored more than 3 goals in a game was the infamous 6-6 game at Fir Park at the end of the 09/10 season.

The last time we scored more than two goals in a league game at Easter Road was in January 2010, when we beat Hamilton 5-1. We've played 29 league games at Easter Road since that match.

[nortonhibby]

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The last time we scored more than once in a single game was the last derby of last season (2-2), which was in April. We've gone 14 games in a row with only scoring, at best, one goal per game.

We only scored three goals in a single game on two occasions last season. The 3-0 win at Ibrox and the 3-2 win at Fir Park on the opening day of last season.

The last time we scored more than 3 goals in a game was the infamous 6-6 game at Fir Park at the end of the 09/10 season.

The last time we scored more than two goals in a league game at Easter Road was in January 2010, when we beat Hamilton 5-1. We've played 29 league games at Easter Road since that match.

Does RP go to all the games ? does he see what we are seeing ? the mind boggles

[Makaveli]

Without wanting to be negative for its own sake, it's worth bearing in mind that CC has had a higher proportion of games against other gash sides. This makes his comparable record all the more frightening.

Obviously we had the bottom six - five games against the five worst sides (bar our lot) - and the SPL has two extra clubs who would have been in the 1st division in Duffy's day... so CC has had better chances to pick up points.