From one of the St Johnstone Backroom Staff

[RIP]

Son Cammy's old coach phoned me tonight to fix up a friendly between son's old team and his new one Crieff Juniors. His mate runs the St Johnstone Pro Youth team. The coach is a Saints ST and he knows I'm a Hibby

I said "You got big Sheridan then" and he said straight out

"Aye you wanted to sign him and CSKA would only let him go on loan"

I said did he know that straight up. He said "Aye, just come from McDiarmid"

[HibsMax]

Source?

(yes, I'm kidding).

[Cropley10]

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Son Cammy's old coach phoned me tonight to fix up a friendly between son's old team and his new one Crieff Juniors. His mate runs the St Johnstone Pro Youth team. The coach is a Saints ST and he knows I'm a Hibby

I said "You got big Sheridan then" and he said straight out

"Aye you wanted to sign him and CSKA would only let him go on loan"

I said did he know that straight up. He said "Aye, just come from McDiarmid"

So what was that about needing an extra £50k about then (earlier today)?

[Top Pans Hibby]

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Son Cammy's old coach phoned me tonight to fix up a friendly between son's old team and his new one Crieff Juniors. His mate runs the St Johnstone Pro Youth team. The coach is a Saints ST and he knows I'm a Hibby

I said "You got big Sheridan then" and he said straight out

"Aye you wanted to sign him and CSKA would only let him go on loan"

I said did he know that straight up. He said "Aye, just come from McDiarmid"

Oh well, that's all right then. Everything is now rosy in the garden..................

[Dalianwanda]

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So what was that about needing an extra £50k about then (earlier today)?

Maybe an unsubstantiated rumour?

[smurf]

If true why did CC say what he has in the statement?

[matty_f]

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If true why did CC say what he has in the statement?

What bit doesn't add up?

My take is that once it became apparent that we weren't going to sign him as our player, we opted out of the deal. We definitely wanted him up to some point today. If what 325Easter Road is saying is true (and I have absolutely no reason to doubt him), then it makes sense.

[smurf]

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What bit doesn't add up?

My take is that once it became apparent that we weren't going to sign him as our player, we opted out of the deal. We definitely wanted him up to some point today. If what 325Easter Road is saying is true (and I have absolutely no reason to doubt him), then it makes sense.

CC said he wants players who "...want to be at Hibernian" and that he has other "...Preferred options".

On the former point if it was a case of his current club not wanting to sell him preferring to loan him how does that equate with what CC has said.

On his latter point I just don't believe him. Because it completely contradicts his recent on the record quotes on the player.

[Removed]

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CC said he wants players who "...want to be at Hibernian" and that he has other "...Preferred options".On the former point if it was a case of his current club not wanting to sell him preferring to loan him how does that equate with what CC has said.On his latter point I just don't believe him. Because it completely contradicts his recent on the record quotes on the player.

I don't believe anything Calderwood says. They've ****ed it up but think we must zip up the back.Are we seriously meant to believe that at no time Sheridan's agent never said that cska only wanted a loan deal if that is true.

[MyJo]

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CC said he wants players who "...want to be at Hibernian"

he doesnt want a player on loan that will be angling for a better move halfway through the season leaving us back at square one looking for another player in the january window which is a pain in the backside

and that he has other "...Preferred options".

Junior Agogo who will sign a permanent contract or another Loan deal that will commit for a full season?

On the former point if it was a case of his current club not wanting to sell him preferring to loan him how does that equate with what CC has said.

Preferred options doesnt have to relate to be "better players". A preferred option is a player who is willing to commit to Hibs for the full season, not a 6 month loan deal

On his latter point I just don't believe him. Because it completely contradicts his recent on the record quotes on the player.

Calderwood never said that Sheridan was a rubbish player, just that he has other options that he wanted to explore and we we're no longer interested on the terms that were being put down. Again, nothing to do with the quality of player on offer but everything to do with the structure of the deal being offered.

St Johnstone clearly didnt mind a 6 month deal while we wanted either a permanent deal or at least the full season from a loan which is where it has broken down. Nowt to do with the money being offered or the quality of the player from the sounds of it.

[matty_f]

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CC said he wants players who "...want to be at Hibernian" and that he has other "...Preferred options".

On the former point if it was a case of his current club not wanting to sell him preferring to loan him how does that equate with what CC has said.

On his latter point I just don't believe him. Because it completely contradicts his recent on the record quotes on the player.

Maybe CS wasn't keen on a permanent move as well (I presume because it would have involved a fairly sizable pay cut)? It seems to be that the goalposts have been moved by either CS or Sofia at some point in the process, and that's caused an about turn in Hibs' interest.

As to what you believe on the latter point, nothing I say will change that.

[smurf]

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Maybe CS wasn't keen on a permanent move as well (I presume because it would have involved a fairly sizable pay cut)? It seems to be that the goalposts have been moved by either CS or Sofia at some point in the process, and that's caused an about turn in Hibs' interest.

As to what you believe on the latter point, nothing I say will change that.

I admire your absolute defence of CC and the board. I'm sure on many occasions its a justified defence.

Perhaps this is one instance but looking at CC's comments this week on CS I'm sorry to completely disagree.

Would you not concede however that this pre season has been a complete public relations disaster from our club - working on the basis that our PR is with the purpose of communicating positivity to us supporters?

And I don't accept that that is caused by forums such as this as I'm finding non internet folk within the Hibs community are perhaps even more disenchanted...

[matty_f]

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I admire your absolute defence of CC and the board. I'm sure on many occasions its a justified defence.

Perhaps this is one instance but looking at CC's comments this week on CS I'm sorry to completely disagree.

Would you not concede however that this pre season has been a complete public relations disaster from our club - working on the basis that our PR is with the purpose of communicating positivity to us supporters?

And I don't accept that that is caused by forums such as this as I'm finding non internet folk within the Hibs community are perhaps even more disenchanted...

I agree totally that this pre-season has been a PR disaster for Hibs, I think the board have failed to engage the support as well as they needed to, I think Calderwood's honesty has left folk switched off, and I think that people's lust for hanging the club out to dry has added fuel to the fire. My opinion.

I don't see how I defended the board with my last post, either - just offered up an alternative view to yours.

[Judas Iscariot]

A loan striker is better than nae striker... Unless yer that Hertz welt Potter

[persevere1875]

Signing Sheridan on a six month loan deal without a guaranteed option to extend that loan would be suicide IMO, and if that was the deal on the table then I think CC and Hibs did well to walk away from the deal, regardless of what position we are presently in with regards to striker options, the last thing we as a club need is to tie up some of our budget on a player who's going to walk away in January in a transfer window which is well known for being difficult to get decent players in at a decent price, the windows currently still open and IF hibs were prepared to buy Sheridan outright then that means we still have money to do a deal elsewhere.

[R'Albin]

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Signing Sheridan on a six month loan deal without a guaranteed option to extend that loan would be suicide IMO, and if that was the deal on the table then I think CC and Hibs did well to walk away from the deal, regardless of what position we are presently in with regards to striker options, the last thing we as a club need is to tie up some of our budget on a player who's going to walk away in January in a transfer window which is well known for being difficult to get decent players in at a decent price, the windows currently still open and IF hibs were prepared to buy Sheridan outright then that means we still have money to do a deal elsewhere.

[ArabHibee]

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I don't believe anything Calderwood says. They've ****ed it up but think we must zip up the back.Are we seriously meant to believe that at no time Sheridan's agent never said that cska only wanted a loan deal if that is true.

My source, who was speaking to CS agent the day after the East Fife friendly said he would probably be more than likely be signed on a loan deal as Hibs couldn't afford the 10k a week wages.

[greenlex]

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My source, who was speaking to CS agent the day after the East Fife friendly said he would probably be more than likely be signed on a loan deal as Hibs couldn't afford the 10k a week wages.

Pesumably Hibs wanting a minimum 1 year loan deal and either CSKA or Sheridan himself only commiting to 6 months. Would explain the statement ftom Calderwood.

[Future17]

Perhaps the £50k was the fee that CSKA were demanding for the loan.

It's fairly common practice in most European countries to pay for loan deals. It's especially common when the player is not a youngster being farmed out for experience.

Let's not forget that CS is CSKA's highest paid player on £14k p/w. Therefore, assuming Hibs were only covering 1/10th of his wages and some of the 14k is performance related bonuses which he would no longer qualify for, CSKA would still be paying him in the region of £10k p/w.

It's reasonable to assume that to agree to a 6-month loan deal the least they would demand would be a fee which equates to 1 month's wage cost to them.

[thebakerboy]

I posted elsewhere about this and feel after reading CC's statement a couple of times it strikes me that this has nothing to do with money or football it seems personal. Why was it CC who is on official site about this and the wording. I think CC thought we were being pissed about ( whether by Sofia or Sheridan or his agent I don't know) and decided stuff it we don't need this I'll get somebody else.I say this because he seemed quite keen and then dropped it like a hot potato.:cgwa

[RIP]

People close to Cillian appear to have had hopes that his move to Hibs would have been a signing, rather than a loan deal

In his home country
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/soccer_irish/37833/

Calderwood was hoping CSKA were "willing to do something with his contract" to allow us to sign him permanently
http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sp...iss.6799526.jp

All the reports I've been reading mention transfers and fees and offers from Hibs to Sofia. I can't recall EVER seeing any quotes from Hibs that we were considering a loan deal
http://sport.scotsman.com/football/C...ibs.6804932.jp

[RIP]

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Son Cammy's old coach phoned me tonight to fix up a friendly between son's old team and his new one Crieff Juniors. His mate runs the St Johnstone Pro Youth team. The coach is a Saints ST and he knows I'm a Hibby

I said "You got big Sheridan then" and he said straight out

"Aye you wanted to sign him and CSKA would only let him go on loan"

I said did he know that straight up. He said "Aye, just come from McDiarmid"

Confirmed today at work here in Perth. St J thought we were going to landy CS perm. At the 11th hour CSKA changed their minds to a loan

A shock yes - but less of a shock than getting cuffed 5-1 at McDiarmid I would suggest. They are hardly a diddy team and have a multi-millionaire backer that can put sweeteners such as luxury homes and cars on the table

Apparently it was all conducted on EBay so we had no chance of a rebid

[Beefster]

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Confirmed today at work here in Perth. St J thought we were going to landy CS perm. At the 11th hour CSKA changed their minds to a loan

A shock yes - but less of a shock than getting cuffed 5-1 at McDiarmid I would suggest. They are hardly a diddy team and have a multi-millionaire backer that can put sweeteners such as luxury homes and cars on the table

Apparently it was all conducted on EBay so we had no chance of a rebid

Did the player tell you any of this because, if so, it directly contradicts what he told the Scotsman? If not, should we believe the player himself or a youth coach?

The bit in bold is straw-clutching at its finest. Hibs are hardly a diddy team and we have a multi-millionaire as an owner (who doesn't invest in the team in exactly the same way as Geoff Brown). We also have attendances somewhere between 2-3 times higher and a stadium double the size of theirs.

[leither17]

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Did the player tell you any of this because, if so, it directly contradicts what he told the Scotsman? If not, should we believe the player himself or a youth coach?The bit in bold is straw-clutching at its finest. Hibs are hardly a diddy team and we have a multi-millionaire as an owner (who doesn't invest in the team in exactly the same way as Geoff Brown). We also have attendances somewhere between 2-3 times higher and a stadium double the size of theirs.

Don't think it was Hibs he was saying is a diddy team some referred to the saints as a diddy team earlier in the thread

[Beefster]

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O Don't think it was Hibs he was saying is a diddy team some referred to the saints as a diddy team earlier in the thread

Yeah, he was making the point that losing out to St Johnstone was no great shame because they're not a 'diddy team'. I was just pointing out that we're a bigger club.

[Mili Tant]

CC said he wants players who "...want to be at Hibernian" Hypocritical, to say the least, coming from someone who has consistently failed to commit to the club. There will be no progress while he remains in charge awaiting better things. The indecision by the board has made this the worst prepared we have ever been in the 45 years I have been going to Easter Road. Commit or get out Calderwood and Petrie.

[Speedway]

Every season is the worst ever for pre season results or preparation or fitness or squad size or signings or appointing a no-name Ipswich coach as manager.

Everything is always the worst ever.

This is the worst thread I've ever read on .net....until the next one.

[lapsedhibee]

This is the third consecutive post saying that Things Are The Worst They've Ever Been.

That makes this the worst ever sequence of such posts in the whole history of hibs.net and I can't understand why the admin pricks haven't fallen on their swords.

[greenlex]

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CC said he wants players who "...want to be at Hibernian" Hypocritical, to say the least, coming from someone who has consistently failed to commit to the club. There will be no progress while he remains in charge awaiting better things. The indecision by the board has made this the worst prepared we have ever been in the 45 years I have been going to Easter Road. Commit or get out Calderwood and Petrie.

The board have been anything but indecisive.Where is an example of this?

[RIP]

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Did the player tell you any of this because, if so, it directly contradicts what he told the Scotsman? If not, should we believe the player himself or a youth coach?

The bit in bold is straw-clutching at its finest. Hibs are hardly a diddy team and we have a multi-millionaire as an owner (who doesn't invest in the team in exactly the same way as Geoff Brown). We also have attendances somewhere between 2-3 times higher and a stadium double the size of theirs.

Aye but they finished above us last season and have built up their squad shrewdly under Coyle and McInnes

All the quotes from Easter Road pointed to us signing Sheridan on a transfer but he confirmed today in the Scotsman that CKSA thought that St Johnstone's LOAN offer was better

Are people deliberately reading this the wrong way in order to take a pop?