Up or Down?

[hibee92]

Staying up or going down?

Staying up for me...

[The_Sauz]

Keep the faith

[sunshine1875]

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Staying up or going down?

Staying up for me...

http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?2...ed-this-season

[mr mojo risin]

I think the next 4/5 games are crucial if we can get a couple of wins, gain some confidence we will be ok.

[Diclonius]

We NEED to pick up points in the next month, but if we do, it should be plain sailing from there.

[Hibs07p]

Staying up for me, and knocking on the door for the top six. We all asked for an overhaul of the squad, that is now in progress, imposters being replaced with grafters, who may be able to play a bit. We have complained about a weak midfield for the 12 - 18 months or so, that is now being addressed, CC sees that as the weak link, defence continue to be put under pressure by a non existent midfield that fails to collect knock downs from the defence or make chances for our forwards. Big Nishy struggles as a target man and it continues to puzzle me why the refs always find reason to penalise him when he is not an aggressive physical type player. I wish he could hold up the ball without being pushed on his arse, and he rarely gets a free kick for it, if he stays , I hope he becomes more aggressive, with better support from the midfield. I would prefer a Deeks & Duffy combination, playing off each other. I think CC is addressing the most important part of the team, midfield.

[Sprouleflyer]

I will abstain until early March.

February is a big month for Hibs, home games against St Mirren, Killie and ICT and an away game against St Mirren will do much to shape our future for this season.

Then in early March we are away to Hamilton.

[hibiedude]

As poor as we are I can't see us going down...... in fact a decent run should see us in the top 6 AND BEFORE ANYONE ASKS....... I haven't been drinking

[Hibercelona]

My optimistic side tells me that we will avoid the drop. My realistic side tells me that we won't.

I remember back in 98 when people kept saying "it isn't going to happen".... "Too big to go down".... etc. I personally think we are worse now than then if i'm being honest

I don't see where our next point/s are going to come from as I don't think we're good enough to beat anybody at the moment. And that includes the hamiltons and st mirrens.

So i'm sorry to sound doom and gloom, but its how i'm honestly feeling right now.

[BoltonHibee]

Little chance of staying up, unless there are further signings in the next few days. Mobile striker that can score,or striker to play with DR and a goalkeeper.

Currently the worst Hibs side I have ever witnessed, including the early 80's

[Dunbar Hibee]

I honestly can't see us staying up. Im usually optimistic too.

[basehibby]

Having just read of our chairman's short sighted capitulation to the balance books in allowing our most creative player leave for 200K I find it very hard to be optimistic - relegation.

[Dirkster23]

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Having just read of our chairman's short sighted capitulation to the balance books in allowing our most creative player leave for 200K I find it very hard to be optimistic - relegation.

I must of missed it, where did Calderwood say it was RP's decision to sell Zemmama?

[hibiedude]

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I must of missed it, where did Calderwood say it was RP's decision to sell Zemmama?

No Transfer is allowed unless RP gives approval or are you saying it was Calderwood decision to sell Zemmama.

[Sir David Gray]

I would like to think that we'll have just enough about us to stay above Hamilton but, given that they are only three points behind us and have two games in hand, I wouldn't be putting a bet on that.

People really need to get the thought of a top six place out of their heads, though. There is no danger that we'll be anywhere near a top six place this season, our sole aim this year is to try and finish 11th and, at the very most, perhaps 10th.

It's sad and totally unacceptable that it's come to this but anything higher than that would be verging on fantasy land, considering where we are at the moment.

[hibiedude]

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I would like to think that we'll have just enough about us to stay above Hamilton but, given that they are only three points behind us and have two games in hand, I wouldn't be putting a bet on that.

People really need to get the thought of a top six place out of their heads, though. There is no danger that we'll be anywhere near a top six place this season, our sole aim this year is to try and finish 11th and, at the very most, perhaps 10th.

It's sad and totally unacceptable that it's come to this but anything higher than that would be verging on fantasy land, considering where we are at the moment.

But not impossible

[Woody1985]

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No Transfer is allowed unless RP gives approval or are you saying it was Calderwood decision to sell Zemmama.

Maybe he wants him out so he can build his own squad. Maybe he's looked at his injury record and decided he needs players who can play more often. Maybe he's consulted other managers on him, looked at videos etc and made his own mind up. Maybe the player wants to go and earn a higher salary.

I don't want to see him go but blaming it all on RP without having a clue about what's actually happened is stupid.

I never voted because there's no point until we see the other signings.

[Mikey]

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No Transfer is allowed unless RP gives approval or are you saying it was Calderwood decision to sell Zemmama.

The manager has the final say when it comes to players leaving so it was indeed CC's decision. Some people are trying hard to pin the blame on Petrie (particularly for some of the poor signings) but the manager has the final say.

There are plenty recent examples to back that up. Boozy and Brown spring to mind immediately.

[Sir David Gray]

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But not impossible

It's not impossible for Hearts to win the league title but after their defeat at Parkhead, I would urge their fans to get thoughts of winning the league out of their heads and concentrate on getting 3rd.

We won't finish in the top six this year, if I was a gambler I would put money on that.

[RickyS]

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My optimistic side tells me that we will avoid the drop. My realistic side tells me that we won't.

I remember back in 98 when people kept saying "it isn't going to happen".... "Too big to go down".... etc. I personally think we are worse now than then if i'm being honest

I don't see where our next point/s are going to come from as I don't think we're good enough to beat anybody at the moment. And that includes the hamiltons and st mirrens.

So i'm sorry to sound doom and gloom, but its how i'm honestly feeling right now.

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Little chance of staying up, unless there are further signings in the next few days. Mobile striker that can score,or striker to play with DR and a goalkeeper.

Currently the worst Hibs side I have ever witnessed, including the early 80's

exactly how im feeling, without seeing the new guys the current imposters have made us the worst side in the spl. im away to lay down in a dark room

[hibiedude]

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The manager has the final say when it comes to players leaving so it was indeed CC's decision. Some people are trying hard to pin the blame on Petrie (particularly for some of the poor signings) but the manager has the final say.

There are plenty recent examples to back that up. Boozy and Brown spring to mind immediately.

The books have to balance before anybody leaves so does that not put the ball in Petrie court.

As for blaming Petrie for everything that has gone wrong at the club over the last few seasons are you saying it all down to the poor successive managers we have had over the last few seasons.... because if it is who brought them to the club

Asset stripping of the best players and poor managers being brought to the club and a wage structure that stops the club from moving forward all down to RP.

The wage structure we have at present only attract a certain type of player hence the mess we find ourselves in....would you agree

[greenlex]

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The books have to balance before anybody leaves so does that not put the ball in Petrie court.

As for blaming Petrie for everything that has gone wrong at the club over the last few seasons are you saying it all down to the poor successive managers we have had over the last few seasons.... because if it is who brought them to the club

Asset stripping of the best players and poor managers being brought to the club and a wage structure that stops the club from moving forward all down to RP.

The wage structure we have at present only attract a certain type of player hence the mess we find ourselves in....would you agree

Do not agree with that. Our wage structure is better than most yet most have over the last three years attracted better player. If we have to blame someone for that who should we blame?
Transfers are either endorsed or not by the manager. If it was solely down to Petrie, Fletcher would be playing for Celtic and Scott Brown would not have a CIS Cup winners medal. How do explain that?

[SmokieJoe]

Now that we have competetors in midfieild this should hopefully be the difference.

Just a thought, Garry O and Deeks in the same team? i wonder if thats why Garry O is playing hard to get?

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Stay up...just. Don't think it will all be down to us though and we will be looking over shoulders. Would take 11th if offered now. Then the board would need to show ambition to try and sell season tickets and Calderwood would have used up all his get out of jail cards.

[Dirkster23]

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No Transfer is allowed unless RP gives approval or are you saying it was Calderwood decision to sell Zemmama.

Yes, that exactly what i'm saying. Once it was clear Zemmama had agreed a pre-contract with Boro, i'm sure CC would suggest we sell him now and get a transfer fee.

Are you trying to suggest RP's selling players the manager wants to keep?

[hibiedude]

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Yes, that exactly what i'm saying. Once it was clear Zemmama had agreed a pre-contract with Boro, i'm sure CC would suggest we sell him now and get a transfer fee.

Are you trying to suggest RP's selling players the manager wants to keep?

Please tell me what players does Calderwood what to keep...... his 15-16 games in charge has he played the same players in back to back games

you'll be telling me next he hasn't worked out who the duds are.... ask any fan and he'll give you a list

[DH1875]

If we find someone who can score the goals then stay up. If not it could be close.

[Sir David Gray]

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Now that we have competetors in midfieild this should hopefully be the difference.

Just a thought, Garry O and Deeks in the same team? i wonder if thats why Garry O is playing hard to get?

O'Connor's signed for Barnsley on a 6 month deal.

He couldn't play for us this season anyway as he's already played for Birmingham and Barnsley this season.

[Dirkster23]

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Please tell me what players does Calderwood what to keep...... his 15-16 games in charge has he played the same players in back to back games

you'll be telling me next he hasn't worked out who the duds are.... ask any fan and he'll give you a list

You'd need to ask Colin Calderwood that, not me.

You seem to be getting away from your original point. Despite what you'd like to think, Colin Calderwood decided it was best to sell Zemmama now, not Rod Petrie

[The Falcon]

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The books have to balance before anybody leaves so does that not put the ball in Petrie court.

As for blaming Petrie for everything that has gone wrong at the club over the last few seasons are you saying it all down to the poor successive managers we have had over the last few seasons.... because if it is who brought them to the club

Asset stripping of the best players and poor managers being brought to the club and a wage structure that stops the club from moving forward all down to RP.

The wage structure we have at present only attract a certain type of player hence the mess we find ourselves in....would you agree

The wage structure is what we can afford and as for the rest, utter bollocks.