is there any manager who could sort out this mess?

[AgentDaleCooper]

i'd say - within our price range, no.

[3pm]

Of course there are. We need a good appoinment and patience.

[lucky]

Pa Broon has shown what expreince can do at Aberdeen and Motherwell. I would sack CC and bring in his name sake til the end of the season.

[erskine-hibby]

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Of course there are. We need a good appoinment and patience.

Who is to say we don't have one???

Patience, though, is in very short supply.

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Pa Broon has shown what expreince can do at Aberdeen and Motherwell. I would sack CC and bring in his name sake til the end of the season.

said the same thing, know it would not be popular but a steady pair of hands no doubt about it.

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Who is to say we don't have one???

Patience, though, is in very short supply.

Lets be honest Erskine, it's not looking good.

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Lets be honest Erskine, it's not looking good.

What isn't??

Not looking good to stay up?

Not looking good for time??

Not looking good to bring in the players we desperately need??

You can only piss with the cock your given and in CC's case he has been given f@nnies.

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Who is to say we don't have one???

For a start CC's boss Mr Petrie when he sees the season ticket sales for the 2011-12 season. We couldn't even give them away on a Buy One Get One Free promotion..

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For a start CC's boss Mr Petrie when he sees the season ticket sales for the 2011-12 season. We couldn't even give them away on a Buy One Get One Free promotion..

So what is he going to do, sack him and waste more time and money??

It's clear that we need investment and more than a little patience to get out of this one. Now is not the time to judge CC, it is totally unfair to the guy. After all he has had no chance to change things around with the squad. This season was a write off from the start when they left Yogi in charge after the end of the season we had.

[blackpoolhibs]

Why is it a manager cant manage someone else's side, why can they only manage a team once they have brought their own players in?

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Why is it a manager cant manage someone else's side, why can they only manage a team once they have brought their own players in?

It depends if that team is a turd, and Calderwood's team is one huge, fly-infested dollop of turd.

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Why is it a manager cant manage someone else's side, why can they only manage a team once they have brought their own players in?

Because the side is s**t.
Every manager has his own ideas of the players he wants to do the job he wants them to do.
Unfortunately CC can do very little to change that at the moment, so we are stuck with the duffers we have.

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It depends if that team is a turd, and Calderwood's team is one huge, fly-infested dollop of turd.

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Because the side is s**t.
Every manager has his own ideas of the players he wants to do the job he wants them to do.
Unfortunately CC can do very little to change that at the moment, so we are stuck with the duffers we have.

So we just accept this team will be relegated then, there's nothing CC can do?

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So we just accept this team will be relegated then, there's nothing CC can do?

Of course there is, but involves getting new bodies in. That existing team will see Hibs down, no question.

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So what is he going to do, sack him and waste more time and money??

It's clear that we need investment and more than a little patience to get out of this one. Now is not the time to judge CC, it is totally unfair to the guy. After all he has had no chance to change things around with the squad. This season was a write off from the start when they left Yogi in charge after the end of the season we had.

Yes I think the time has come for us to part company with CC. If we did it with Sauzee so soon we should do it with CC. This 'Yogi's team' a lot of people seem to be trotting out can only wash for so long. Will it still be Yogi's team that takes us into the SFL?

Yogi went on the 4th of October. Were now at the 19th of January with CC still trying to get his best team on the park and less than 2 weeks to bring in new players PLUS Bamba gone a mighty 1 second into the transfer window.

Results haven't improved at all (Ibrox aside) and were probably worse off since Hughes left and out of the cup to the mighty part timers from Ayr.

I think Petrie thought he would find another gem like Mowbray was - a total left field appointment - alas were left with a guy who does not appear to motivate the players or get the best from them (if that's possible)

Cut our losses and ditch him or we'll be playing to Morton in a 20,000 capacity with approx 6k in the ground come 2012

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Yes I think the time has come for us to part company with CC. If we did it with Sauzee so soon we should do it with CC. This 'Yogi's team' a lot of people seem to be trotting out can only wash for so long. Will it still be Yogi's team that takes us into the SFL?

Yogi went on the 4th of October. Were now at the 19th of January with CC still trying to get his best team on the park and less than 2 weeks to bring in new players PLUS Bamba gone a mighty 1 second into the transfer window.

Results haven't improved at all (Ibrox aside) and were probably worse off since Hughes left and out of the cup to the mighty part timers from Ayr.

I think Petrie thought he would find another gem like Mowbray was - a total left field appointment - alas were left with a guy who does not appear to motivate the players or get the best from them (if that's possible)

Cut our losses and ditch him or we'll be playing to Morton in a 20,000 capacity with approx 6k in the ground come 2012

That course of action is 100% guaranteed to see us relegated.

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So we just accept this team will be relegated then, there's nothing CC can do?

That could possibly be the case, though I think we will get one or two players in this window.
Hopefully this will see us through till the end of the season and SPL safety, then he can start rebuilding for next season.

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That course of action is 100% guaranteed to see us relegated.

As opposed to gambling with the 1% chance he can keep us up

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That could possibly be the case, though I think we will get one or two players in this window.
Hopefully this will see us through till the end of the season and SPL safety, then he can start rebuilding for next season.

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Yes I think the time has come for us to part company with CC. If we did it with Sauzee so soon we should do it with CC. This 'Yogi's team' a lot of people seem to be trotting out can only wash for so long. Will it still be Yogi's team that takes us into the SFL?

Yogi went on the 4th of October. Were now at the 19th of January with CC still trying to get his best team on the park and less than 2 weeks to bring in new players PLUS Bamba gone a mighty 1 second into the transfer window.

Results haven't improved at all (Ibrox aside) and were probably worse off since Hughes left and out of the cup to the mighty part timers from Ayr.

I think Petrie thought he would find another gem like Mowbray was - a total left field appointment - alas were left with a guy who does not appear to motivate the players or get the best from them (if that's possible)

Cut our losses and ditch him or we'll be playing to Morton in a 20,000 capacity with approx 6k in the ground come 2012

So apart from Bamba going, what difference is there in the team that Yogi gave us??
It is Yogi's team, a team that has been on terminal decline since the end of January last year.
CC needs to be given an opportunity to show what he can do with his own personell, it's the least we should allow him.

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As opposed to gambling with the 1% chance he can keep us up

1%? Let's get real here.

This is not a time to panic, but it is a time where inaction is not an option as we are in a three-way battle to stay up.

The team has proven itself incapable of everything thrown at it, except taking Hibs down a division.

The team needs to change and that change needs to happen now. Calderwood has identified who he wants and it is now up to Petrie to deliver.

Changing a manager now would mean no new players, and would result in relegation becoming inevitable - we simply cannot afford to be driven by panic.

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So apart from Bamba going, what difference is there in the team that Yogi gave us??
It is Yogi's team, a team that has been on terminal decline since the end of January last year.
CC needs to be given an opportunity to show what he can do with his own personell, it's the least we should allow him.

Chris Hogg and McBride for starters.

I only hope CC isn't given the chance to prove what calibre of player he can bring in when were in the first division.

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As opposed to gambling with the 1% chance he can keep us up

So do you think getting, or trying to get, someone else in at this stage of the season will help any??
What will that do to the already disillusioned players??
3 managers in one season?? we will be a laughing stock...oh yes much, much more than at present.
I would have preferred that we had got rid of Yogi before the end of last season when it was clear that he wasn't up to it, to give the new guy at least a little chance...that was down to RP...he gambled...he failed and now we are paying the price.

[Bad Martini]

Calderwood wasn't right to start with.

He's no more right now than he was when we brought him in.

YES, he inheritted Yogi's side. They CAN play. They beat the huns. HE cannot get the best out of them coupled with the fact he hasn't lost them but actually, never had them then add to the mix the team wasn't really good enough to start with in all honesty but, passable (just) and where are we? Going nowhere.

Same parallel at Liverpool. Hodgson's team were getting slapped from the bottom of the table teams to the top and all in between.

Same players, different manager and there's a marked improvement ALL over the pitch.

There's an attempt and some guile to get something and the MANNER in which hte team his playing has changed beyond belief.

Bottom line; the man in charge carries the can. Rightly or wrongly. Thats life. In this case, with us, CC carries the can and IMHO, he wasnt right from day 1.

Neither, was Sauzee. A country mile ahead of the team he inherrited but, too much of a nice guy. A legend in fact. A player we've no seen the quality of for manys a year. BUt, not a good manager at that point in time.

IF WE DONT sort our position now, managerially, we are ****ed and will have the best training complex, stadium and "infrastructure" in division one. FACT.

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1%? Let's get real here.

This is not a time to panic, but it is a time where inaction is not an option as we are in a three-way battle to stay up.

The team has proven itself incapable of everything thrown at it, except taking Hibs down a division.

The team needs to change and that change needs to happen now. Calderwood has identified who he wants and it is now up to Petrie to deliver.

Changing a manager now would mean no new players, and would result in relegation becoming inevitable - we simply cannot afford to be driven by panic.

Well as I stated we drastically need new players as we are murder. Who has CC got coming in that he's waiting for Petrie to sign the cheque for as far as I was aware it's mostly the papers that have us linked with players?

The clock is ticking towards the end of the window and I dont personally wont to see a hibs panic buy at the last minute like so many previous windows. We need players NOW or come February we'll be at the bottom of the league .

And P.S. Im panicing big time at the state were in

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Chris Hogg and McBride for starters.

I only hope CC isn't given the chance to prove what calibre of player he can bring in when were in the first division.

What??
Don't make me laugh are you seriously suggesting that those two would make the difference we need???
Hogg has been pretty poor for ages now and McBride was one of Yogi's Ideas to change us into some kind of Falkirk clone...well I suppose he succeeded there.

I hope that CC is given the chance to prove what calibre of player he can bring in this window so we don't go into the first division.

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Calderwood wasn't right to start with.

He's no more right now than he was when we brought him in.

YES, he inheritted Yogi's side. They CAN play. They beat the huns. HE cannot get the best out of them coupled with the fact he hasn't lost them but actually, never had them then add to the mix the team wasn't really good enough to start with in all honesty but, passable (just) and where are we? Going nowhere.

Same parallel at Liverpool. Hodgson's team were getting slapped from the bottom of the table teams to the top and all in between.

Same players, different manager and there's a marked improvement ALL over the pitch.

There's an attempt and some guile to get something and the MANNER in which hte team his playing has changed beyond belief.

Bottom line; the man in charge carries the can. Rightly or wrongly. Thats life. In this case, with us, CC carries the can and IMHO, he wasnt right from day 1.

Neither, was Sauzee. A country mile ahead of the team he inherrited but, too much of a nice guy. A legend in fact. A player we've no seen the quality of for manys a year. BUt, not a good manager at that point in time.

IF WE DONT sort our position now, managerially, we are ****ed and will have the best training complex, stadium and "infrastructure" in division one. FACT.

ENDOF

Sorry BM but you cannot compare Hibs to liverpool with the players they have.

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So do you think getting, or trying to get, someone else in at this stage of the season will help any??

Yes I think it would. The only way is up so Im told

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What will that do to the already disillusioned players??

16 of who are out of contract soon. I mean what must McBride be thinking? Been told to leave and comes on as a sub against Celtic and starts tonight

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3 managers in one season?? we will be a laughing stock..

I would rather be a laughing stock in the SPL than mavericks of the first division

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I would have preferred that we had got rid of Yogi before the end of last season when it was clear that he wasn't up to it, to give the new guy at least a little chance...that was down to RP...he gambled...he failed and now we are paying the price.

If it wasn't for the European slot I think Hughes would of been emptied sooner

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What??
Don't make me laugh are you seriously suggesting that those two would make the difference we need???
Hogg has been pretty poor for ages now and McBride was one of Yogi's Ideas to change us into some kind of Falkirk clone...well I suppose he succeeded there.

I hope that CC is given the chance to prove what calibre of player he can bring in this window so we don't go into the first division.

I think McBride has been treated very poorly by the club when guys like De Graaf and Rankin get a game ahead of him.