Intersting story in the Herald. Do you think that thisis the way for Hibs to go ?
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...tion-1.1071990
Expand a successful youth system into more of an academy/scholarship opportunity for promising youngsters. Particularly interesting was the number of hours coaching available to the youngsters.
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06-12-2010 08:15 PM #1
Are Celtic leading the way in Scottish Youth Football ?
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06-12-2010 08:24 PM #2
This is the same Celtic that iirc cut the ENTIRE under 19 squad including a certain player named Pavlov - folks apparently not salivating at his prospect ;)
Celtic - always trying to rewrite history ;)
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06-12-2010 08:28 PM #3This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Celtic have always had a lot of Youth players in National squads, but how many of them in recent times make the grade.
Apart from Maloney, how many home grown talent are in their Squad?
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06-12-2010 08:29 PM #4
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Three halves. Think they need to go to the school aswell.
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06-12-2010 08:32 PM #5
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There has also been allegations on how they attract young players.
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No particular need for a scouting system.
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06-12-2010 10:13 PM #6This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Their link up is similar to that of Celtc's, and it's interesting to see that this article says that Dundee Utd and Falkirk are implementing similar schemes as well.
IMHO, Hibs should go one better. We have masses of land at East Mains, and I would love to see us build a purpose-built education site, where talented footballers could combine a good education with top class training on-site.
The problem is that it would be expensive to build, and expensive to run, however I think that Hibs could look to offer scholarships to kids with potential to be top players, while looking for other places to be funded.
Over time, the facility should start to pay for itself by increasing the quality of player produced which would improve the team's chances of on-field success, whilst also increasing the revenue by providing a constant stream of top players who would inevitably move on to other clubs for a sizeable fee.Follow the Hibs podcast, Longbangers, on Twitter (@longbangers)
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06-12-2010 10:29 PM #7
As long as Celtc continue to regularly run out one through eleven with players that they have bought in, their youth set up is window dressing.
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06-12-2010 11:42 PM #8
Watfords is their own school, they own it and run it themselves - I believe it was a closed down school near by. Highly rated by Ofsted too.
Without doubt this is the way to go, the operational cost however is big but can be justified.
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06-12-2010 11:54 PM #9
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Rather than slag them off we should be applauding the spin offs. For at last seemed to be taking developing players seriously. There are lots of stories about how they approach players but if they are going to get a first team chance then all other clubs will need to raise their game. The famed Hibs youth production line seems to have stalled for the time being. Combining schooling and coaching is excellent it gives the youngsters discipline and a work ethic. Hopefully Hibs try something similar. For all the kids that don't make at as players will have a decent education to fall back on.
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07-12-2010 07:35 AM #12
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07-12-2010 10:41 AM #13
We may have an ace in the hole with education and football running side by side in Tom Farmer. Given his philanthropic bent he may be interested in putting some of his own money into such a scheme.
Its also a bit of a worry that of the Scotland under 16 squad to play England recently I cant recall seeing one Hibs player in the line up.
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07-12-2010 11:23 AM #14This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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07-12-2010 02:35 PM #15
Friends who have 3 talented footballing sons who are all hibbies have more or less given up on the current mob running Hibs youth developement. Apparently Celtic AND Hearts are streets ahead of us.
The boys are now training there.
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07-12-2010 07:51 PM #16
Very few kids, if any, who'll play in the Scotland under 16 team v England will make it to the first team of an SPL team. From the under 16 squad against Wales in 2006, only Danny Wilson and John Fleck have made any sort of impact.
Happy to be corrected if anyone has any info on squad members other than these 2 who're doing well.
Scotland U16 Squad v Wales, October 2006
Goalkeepers
Grant Adam (Rangers)
James Wood (Manchester City)
Defenders
Scott Durie (Rangers)
Stephen Forbes (Rangers)
David McAuliffe (Motherwell)
Daniel Wilson (Rangers)
Gregg Wylde (Rangers)
Midfield
Alex Cooper (Ross County)
John Fleck (Rangers)
Jamie Ness (Rangers)
Michael O'Halloran (Celtic)
Gordon Smith (Livingston)
Daniel Thomson (Hearts)
Forwards
Archie Campbell (Rangers)
Sean Fitzharris (Celtic)
David Love (Hearts)
Robert McHugh (Motherwell)
Ryan Martin (Motherwell)
I look to the under 19 squad at international level as a better indicator of who will make it.
Disappointing to hear an opinion that Hibs youth set up is not all it could be though.
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A lot of players tend to get picked from Rantic youth teams and basically get lost in their systems due to lack of opportunity. Some probably shouldn't have been picked for national team in the first place (ie they're overrated because they just happen to play alongside some of the better kids).Last edited by Part/Time Supporter; 07-12-2010 at 08:22 PM.
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07-12-2010 09:16 PM #18This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Hibs recently signed a really exciting prospect despite an offer from hearts as well. Same with a recent Celtic target.
Certainly no where near what you have posted and to add to what I have already posted we've actually increased our scouting network across the central belt.
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07-12-2010 10:04 PM #19This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Agree with the last para which is why I won't pay too much attention to the U16s being mostly on Celtc's books.
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07-12-2010 10:47 PM #20
Robert McHugh also featured for Motherwell a few times. Have heard he will be a star
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08-12-2010 08:55 AM #22
My experience is that they are more intent on ensnaring as many decent young players as possible. It reminds me of the 'S' form days. Cast the net wide enough and you'll capture some of the cream. Unfortunately for many youngsters blinded by the name will be left on the sidelines and before they realise the dream isn't going to become a reality they may have missed the boat for other opportunities, not to mention that they will be restricted from partcipating in any non-club related football activity eg school teams etc.
I am sure this is a problem encountered by youngsters at various clubs but I feel other clubs are more realistic whereas Celtic want the masses. Don't forget the frequent visits by ROI scouts trying to brainwash youngsters into comitting to ROI. I had a friend whose son was asked if he would be interested in committing to ROI, my friends son's response was I am Scottish and have no ROI relatives. The scout hit him with 'Well, you've got an Irish name so I'm sure it won't be a problem'. My friends son said if he was ever lucky enough to get to that level there's only one country he could play for. My friends told me that his son is not the only one that's been tapped, they are frequently trying to encourage our youngsters away from Scotland.
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08-12-2010 09:34 AM #23This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It may be admirable but it makes it 10 times harder for Hibs to produce good young players. It means your scouting and recruitment from school age has to be top notch if you're operating in a vastly reduced pool of players.
I'd love to see youth development become the focus at Hibs. That means looking at what Celtic/Falkirk/Dundee Utd are doing with the school tie-ins and focusing on bulking up the scouting network to ensure that we can justify our claims of having a great youth system.
If we're making a big operating loss every year we simply have to keep churning out players that can be sold on, that hopefully help us win trophies along the way. If that means spending money on the right young players, for the right positions at the right time I don't see it as a bad thing.
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08-12-2010 04:56 PM #24
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Youth football at representative level is even more dominated by greater weedgieland than senior football. I've been to 'trials' held AFTER the squad has been picked. :-))
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08-12-2010 08:49 PM #25This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I agree that the policy to not pay for other club's youth set up puts huge pressure on the scouts at Hibs to be able to identify and attract the best youngsters before other clubs find them, and it's maybe something that we need to be reviewing in order that we're able to profit from youth players (both on the field in a more successful team, but also from the inevitable sell-on value).Follow the Hibs podcast, Longbangers, on Twitter (@longbangers)
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09-12-2010 02:50 PM #26This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If anything I'd just like to see them get a bit more support from above. I think their hands are tied behind their backs to an extent by not being allowed to bring players in from a wider pool, yet they've still managed to churn out players consistently that the board have used to turn an operating loss into a profit.
I don't think that can last forever and I'm a bit concerned the well has run dry, though obviously Callum Booth has potential (outwith Hanlon and Wotherspoon).
I'd like to see us invest real time and money into widening the scouting network and spending the right amount of money on educated risks - i.e. signing a young player on the way up that can be sold on for big money. Not talking about the likes of Ryan Flynn because I think by this point it's almost too late - they have to be identified earlier.
I think it's a disgrace that so much of our resources have been frittered away on first-team players that have cost so much and delivered little - the number in recent years that have come and gone within a short period is staggering. There should be a Director of Football type to oversee these things so we aren't so short-term in our thinking. I annoys me that the squad is so imbalanced that we don't have players for each position ready to slot in and do a job when there are injuries at senior level (Booth and Byrne apart as they're out on loan).
Couple of great articles by SwissRamble on the set-ups at Lyon and Porto. Two big clubs with the right sort of structure. Not saying we can hope to match them given their financial clout, but the ideology should be the same.
http://swissramble.blogspot.com/2010...yons-rise.html
http://swissramble.blogspot.com/
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09-12-2010 04:06 PM #27
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I've just read that blog on Lyon. Well worth a read. It'll be interesting to see how they handle the change in model and how the do as a club in the next few years without a great deal to sell.
It was interesting that their academy cost less than ours.
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