Both sent off in the closing minutes of Real's 4-0 win over Ajax for staged [both for time wasting] 2nd yellow cards, by Craig Thomson so they can serve a 1 game ban in the last group stage and be free for the knockout stages.
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23-11-2010 08:58 PM #1
Alonzo and Ramos
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23-11-2010 09:32 PM #2This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteFollow the Hibs podcast, Longbangers, on Twitter (@longbangers)
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23-11-2010 10:53 PM #3This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
He can't not book them, they have went against the rules, they get booked regardless of the circumstances.
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24-11-2010 07:19 AM #5This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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24-11-2010 08:25 AM #8
I don't get the big problem here TBH.
Yes, it goes against the spirit of the game but if you can twist the rules to your advantage without actually resorting to downright cheating then why not? I remember David beckham doing something similar when playing for England a few years back, he was stupid enough to admit it in a TV interview straight after the game though.
I'm no lover of Real Madrid, far from it, but talk of extended bans and fines etc is just silly.
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24-11-2010 08:33 AM #9
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It goes against not only the spirit of the game but the whole integrity of the punishment system by undermining it. The system is being managed, very cleverly, for their benefit. Its either ingenious or downright scandalous but, depending on the viewpoint, I think it says more about their values, and that of their club, than the system itself.
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24-11-2010 08:54 AM #11
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Real Madrid have previous for this, but so does just about every other club when they are in this position.
And not only does it happen in the CL but its been seen at national level in all competitions.
There were even some on here urging Sol to get himself over the points threshold last Christmas before the Africa Nations so that he would serve his ban while he would have been away.
I personally don’t think its cheating but I think there is a better way penalty points from bookings and sending offs, in all tournaments, could be dealt with. Putting the emphasis on rewarding good behaviour rather than punishing bad.
Briefly, players get points for cards as they do now, but they also build up ‘good’ points for not picking up cards.
The actual points system would have to be worked out but say you get half a point for each game played with no card and say 3 points for a yellow; i.e. player plays the first 12 games of the season with no cards so is 6 points in credit. He’s now build up enough good points for a booking not to be of much concern and even if he gets booked the following week his 12 game good behaviour is rewarded as he avoids a suspension.
The points system could be adapted for each competition i.e. the long haul league would be different from cup competitions and they could be different depending on the type and number of qualifying matches.
The big advantage, I see, is that if a player picks up a booking in the early rounds of the CL and then another in the semi-final he would still be eligible to play in the final. Likewise in leagues players could be more available the more they behave and occasionally booked players wouldn’t have to worry about being suspended after 3 booking picked up over 2 or 3 seasons.
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24-11-2010 08:59 AM #12
It's happened before and it'll happen again. It's part of the game we all love...
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24-11-2010 09:25 AM #13
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24-11-2010 10:14 AM #14
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It could also help stupid decisions like Keane missing the CL final or Nedved missing the finals of the Euros.
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24-11-2010 10:29 AM #16
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I’ve no problem with it TBH – they’ll still miss a game, risking losing their place in the team. I’d be delighted (and impressed) if a Hibs player had the intelligence to do this kind of thing.
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24-11-2010 10:35 AM #17
There's something about this that really doesn't sit well with me.
Those two players have deliberately gone out to get themselves a second yellow card so that they would be free from suspension, and can now play in the knockout stages.
It's clear that is what they have done and I believe that UEFA should now ban them for two games, one for being sent off and another for bringing the game into disrepute.
They aren't the only ones to have done it and I'm sure they won't be the last either but it doesn't make it right.
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24-11-2010 10:40 AM #18This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Well thought out post. IMO your idea of at least a version of it would work fantastically well at all levels.
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24-11-2010 10:42 AM #19This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I won't be surprised if UEFA fines Alonso and Ramos for this.
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24-11-2010 11:11 AM #20
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24-11-2010 06:53 PM #23
Can't see the problem with it. If a Hibs player was to do it none of us would be against it.
IIRC Beckham started the 'trend' years ago at an England versus Wals match at the Millenium Stadium.''It's always been just part of the culture. Growing up, for most working-class kids, is all about football, music or clothes. You might not have much money, but whatever you have got, you're going to look good.'' - Paul Weller
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25-11-2010 08:45 AM #24
Or if they changed the system so that a suspension kick in after 2 bookings in consecutive matches played (by the players, not the team)?
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