Michael Hart

[Hibbyradge]

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Apart from running ineffectively (and slowly) alongside Templeton, without even an attempt at a tackle for the first goal, and then going to sleep and standing off his man at the second, did he do anything else notable during the game?

Folk are so keen to jump on the backs of their usual targets they miss the blindingly obvious.

35 seconds and 2 mins 25.

I wouldn't be surprised if MH is dropped tomorrow and Chris Hogg comes in.

[matty_f]

Hart is a million times better than hogg at right back. in fact, christie brown its better than hogg at right back.

I've lot of time for hogg but he doesn't warrant a place in the defence just now on his form over the last season or so.

[WindyMiller]

Even his throw-in at 1:45 nearly cost us a goal!

We'd be better with Weatherspoon there.


I don't want Hogg anywhere near the team, but I'd put up with him at CH.

[Cropley10]

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I've not seen any posts about this yet so apologies if I've missed them.

Apart from running ineffectively (and slowly) alongside Templeton, without even an attempt at a tackle for the first goal, and then going to sleep and standing off his man at the second, did he do anything else notable during the game?

Folk are so keen to jump on the backs of their usual targets they miss the blindingly obvious.

35 seconds and 2 mins 25.

I wouldn't be surprised if MH is dropped tomorrow and Chris Hogg comes in.

Both as bad as each other? but i agree about Sunday.

How about the Liam Miller escort before he gives up completely for the first!!
Do you think he'll still be playing?

[JimBHibees]

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I've not seen any posts about this yet so apologies if I've missed them.

Apart from running ineffectively (and slowly) alongside Templeton, without even an attempt at a tackle for the first goal, and then going to sleep and standing off his man at the second, did he do anything else notable during the game?

Folk are so keen to jump on the backs of their usual targets they miss the blindingly obvious.

35 seconds and 2 mins 25.

I wouldn't be surprised if MH is dropped tomorrow and Chris Hogg comes in.

Got to be said I was amazed by how poorly he played given I think he has done ok in the other games he has played. I think Miller and Galbraith were equally culpable for the first goal only compounded by Bamba allowing the guy inside when even u10 teams are taught to show a forward out. A truly kamikaze goal at a stage we were doing ok.

Second goal was as bad especially Hart who should have took control and cleared the ball. In saying that no way would I put Hogg in for him as actually think Hart is a decent full back and hope it was a one off.

[truehibernian]

Just when my mood was lifting someone goes and mentions Chris Hogg at right back

Anne Widdecombe would be more mobile.

[Beefster]

Hart's been a major disappointment. I was happy to see him sign for us but he's yet another who seems to have lost any pace he had. He's nothing more than a mid to bottom SPL player.

[TornadoHibby]

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Hart's been a major disappointment. I was happy to see him sign for us but he's yet another who seems to have lost any pace he had. He's nothing more than a mid to bottom SPL player.

Said that during the early part of the match on Sunday myself!

[The_Horde]

Hart was absolutely shocking on sunday and had Hogg played the same part in the yams goals as hart did we'd have a 7 page slaughtering thread.

[Golden Bear]

It's still fairly early days I suppose ( he's been out injured since he arrived) but I've got admit I'm more than a bit disappointed with his form so far.

I remember the guy from his Aberdeen days when he was a brilliant full back with bags of pace but injuries seem to have taken their toll as he looks a bit of a carthorse right now.

[superfurryhibby]

I've been disappointed by what I've seen of Hart. A poor signing thus far.

[Leithenhibby]

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I've not seen any posts about this yet so apologies if I've missed them.

Apart from running ineffectively (and slowly) alongside Templeton, without even an attempt at a tackle for the first goal, and then going to sleep and standing off his man at the second, did he do anything else notable during the game?

Folk are so keen to jump on the backs of their usual targets they miss the blindingly obvious.

35 seconds and 2 mins 25.

I wouldn't be surprised if MH is dropped tomorrow and Chris Hogg comes in.

As others have stated there would be a 7 page thread for Hogg if he played like that, perhaps it's not just the Refs that need to take a look at themselves ..

We have a new manager and I feel everyone should get a clean slate!! Hogg included... I couldn't make the game as my younger son was playing but we did manage to see it on the box.. Typical dad giving son the do's & don'ts of defending. Has to be said the MH and SB were nowhere to be seen on BOTH occasions.. Very poor defending indeed.. I'd give Hogg a run

[ekhibee]

I don't agree that Hart is a bad signing, and I think he's acquited himself quite well in the games he's played, apart from the Hearts game. And just to be controversial I would have blamed Hanlon for the second goal, not him.

[JimBHibees]

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I don't agree that Hart is a bad signing, and I think he's acquited himself quite well in the games he's played, apart from the Hearts game.

I think that as well though he was awful on Sunday pretty much from the first minute, sclaffing the ball out the park etc. Maybe he isnt quite up to speed yet after his hamstring problems certainly hope he can get back up to speed soon. Talk of Hogg replacing him at right back is a few steps too far IMO.

[easty]

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I don't agree that Hart is a bad signing, and I think he's acquited himself quite well in the games he's played, apart from the Hearts game. And just to be controversial I would have blamed Hanlon for the second goal, not him.

Hanlon has to shoulder some of the blame, but Hart was woeful defending at thier 2nd goal. If I was going to blame someone (and I am) then it's Hart. He's slow, not just in terms of pace but slow in his reaction time. That's been evident since the game against Maribor, and I said so at the time. That said he's not a terrible player by any means and there are much bigger problems to address with the team than the RB situation.

[Jonnyboy]

Had a poor game against Hearts but then who didn't?

I'd have him at right back before Hogg all day long

[JimBHibees]

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Had a poor game against Hearts but then who didn't?

I'd have him at right back before Hogg all day long

Totally.

[easty]

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Totally.

Yep...no doubt about that.

[Leithenhibby]

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Hanlon has to shoulder some of the blame, but Hart was woeful defending at thier 2nd goal. If I was going to blame someone (and I am) then it's Hart. He's slow, not just in terms of pace but slow in his reaction time. That's been evident since the game against Maribor, and I said so at the time. That said he's not a terrible player by any means and there are much bigger problems to address with the team than the RB situation.

No he doesn't He had his man and had to cover for Bamba and Hart who were both in no-mans-land ...

[adhibs]

hes poor. i cant remember seeing him make a decent tackle or take the ball past someone and put a decent cross in yet.

[Baldy Foghorn]

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Got to be said I was amazed by how poorly he played given I think he has done ok in the other games he has played. I think Miller and Galbraith were equally culpable for the first goal only compounded by Bamba allowing the guy inside when even u10 teams are taught to show a forward out. A truly kamikaze goal at a stage we were doing ok.

Second goal was as bad especially Hart who should have took control and cleared the ball. In saying that no way would I put Hogg in for him as actually think Hart is a decent full back and hope it was a one off.

Second goal Bamba equally as culpable as Kyle gets a free header with Bamba 3 or 4 yards away

[Hibby70]

when is mccann due back?

[Kaiser1962]

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No he doesn't He had his man and had to cover for Bamba and Hart who were both in no-mans-land ...

Yip. Hanlon had moved over because Bamba had gone walkabout. Hanlon then moved towards Templeton as Hart was completely floundering and that left Elliott open. I watched Hart for a wee while nipping at Hanlon and it was totally unwarranted. IMHO.

[easty]

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Yip. Hanlon had moved over because Bamba had gone walkabout. Hanlon then moved towards Templeton as Hart was completely floundering and that left Elliott open. I watched Hart for a wee while nipping at Hanlon and it was totally unwarranted. IMHO.

Bamba had gone walkabout? Granted he wasn't nearly close enough to Kyle but he hadn't gone walkabout, he was chasing Kyles shadow, neither Templeton or Elliot was "his man".

Hanlons should have been watching Elliot but it's more his lack of conviction in getting into Templeton, when he had to cover for Harts lack of defending in the situation, that I think means he has to take some of the responsibility for them getting the 2nd goal. Has to be far more aggresive and pro-active in that situation. Much like the 5 of them who let Templeton saunter past them for the 1st.

[Kaiser1962]

Templeton was by Hart who was wrongside. Hanlon was exactly where he should have been at that point. Hanlon moved towards Templeton and it was more a nick than a pass, but that left Elliott free. He finished well unfortunately.
Hart (and Bamba) are senior pro's and should have done better. Not seen enough of Grounds to pass judgement yet.

I cant for the life of me understand why Templeton wasnt cut in half 10 yards outside the box. I believe it was six players he "sauntered" past. Messi my arse.

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Bamba had gone walkabout? Granted he wasn't nearly close enough to Kyle but he hadn't gone walkabout, he was chasing Kyles shadow, neither Templeton or Elliot was "his man".

Hanlons should have been watching Elliot but it's more his lack of conviction in getting into Templeton, when he had to cover for Harts lack of defending in the situation, that I think means he has to take some of the responsibility for them getting the 2nd goal. Has to be far more aggresive and pro-active in that situation. Much like the 5 of them who let Templeton saunter past them for the 1st.

[Jonnyboy]

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hes poor. i cant remember seeing him make a decent tackle or take the ball past someone and put a decent cross in yet.

You need to watch him more closely then

[son of haggart]

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Templeton was by Hart who was wrongside. Hanlon was exactly where he should have been at that point. Hanlon moved towards Templeton and it was more a nick than a pass, but that left Elliott free. He finished well unfortunately.
Hart (and Bamba) are senior pro's and should have done better. Not seen enough of Grounds to pass judgement yet.

I cant for the life of me understand why Templeton wasnt cut in half 10 yards outside the box. I believe it was six players he "sauntered" past. Messi my arse.

He's no Messi for sure, but he has done this sort of run 4 or 5 times this season. He has a low centre of gravity and quick feet - like his dad Henry Templeton who older fans may remember.

He's quite hard to tackle, but a more defensively savvy team would have blocked him for a foul..

[BEEJ]

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when is mccann due back?

January.

[adhibs]

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You need to watch him more closely then

maybe so.when did either of these things happen?

[Long suffering]

I honestly really dont understand the critism of hart, I honestly think he has proven himself to be a very solid good addition to the team. Aside for the fact that he has lost a yard of pace and perhaps he could offer more going forward, people should look at his defensive contributions. I have rarely evr seen him beaten and as adefender hes been as good as i expected. Maybe its just me however