What are the thoughts on giving a few a run ahead of the current charlatens?
Would Stephens, Byrne, Currie etc give us something better than we currently have?
At least we may connect with a few of them.
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08-11-2010 09:36 AM #1
is it time to play the young guys?
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08-11-2010 09:38 AM #2
Why not, surely can't be as bad as the trash we have to put up with at the moment, bring them on I say
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08-11-2010 09:41 AM #3
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Lee Currie could at least deliver a set piece into the box without hitting the wall or row Z.
Argued it last season, we should have been blooding them well before now. The one's who can make a difference are out on loan, or injured.
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08-11-2010 09:48 AM #5
At least they'd fight for the jersey. I'd make all these saps that call themselves "the current team" sit in the stands and watch what "fighting FOR each other" rather than "WITH each other" really means.
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08-11-2010 01:24 PM #6
I am not too clued up on the youngsters we have, so someone with a better knowledge should step in, but surely they must be able to offer more than some of the journeymen we currently employ. They would also help the fans associate more with the team, as I feel (just me and my mates anyway) we are drifting away (not literally) from the current players and feel no connection other than frustration and that is not healthy for the club/team.
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08-11-2010 01:28 PM #7
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Sean Welsh sadly is injured however would easily replace an out of form Miller if fit.
Lee Currie can play in the left mid position, and failing that I would also consider left back. Has dig, bite and a cracking shot.
Kurtis Byrne is a tad arrogant, but I like that. Has not had a real chance, out on loan, may come back stronger for it and hungry to succeed.
Calum Booth for me is the starlet we need to bring back pronto.
Other than that, have to say, none really would get in. Stephens clearly is good enough.
We also have a young striker Danny Handling, only 16, but hey if needs must (and they must) maybe worth doing a "Rooney" and putting him on the bench for two games. You just never know in football.
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08-11-2010 01:35 PM #8This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Why not? Be aswell to give them a shot.
I would like to see them brought in to play in the wide areas where we could do with some much needed pace and enthuisasm. If CC could build an experienced spine up the middle of the park then we would be ok for this season with a view to making the required signing come the end of the season to push on.
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08-11-2010 02:05 PM #9
If they performed decently and managed to keep us above 12th, it would hopefully bring at least one positive from the season.
I also imagine that the crowd would show a little more patience.
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08-11-2010 02:08 PM #10
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The first thing I would do is get Ian Murray in along with Paul Hanlon.. Sol Bamba is NOT the answer at the back.. He was a bomescare again yesterday..
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08-11-2010 02:25 PM #11
I'm not sure this is the best time to blood youngsters. The pressure on the players is about to get cranked up by the fans, and it may affect the youngsters' confidence.
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08-11-2010 02:55 PM #12
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08-11-2010 03:02 PM #14
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Yes. From wednesday fill the team with youngsters. The results will be no worse.
Commitment and pride in the jersey will escalate.
Come January, dump as many of the first team squad as possible. Then bring in 3 or 4 hardened professionals.
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08-11-2010 03:08 PM #15
In my view Hanlon, Galbraith and Wotherspoon are young guys, anymore than three in the pool and we are in big trouble. No the experienced players are getting us in this mess and they have to get us out. I am sure Rangers will try and out do their neighbours emphatic win and only experienced players have any chance of stopping that. Our youngsters would be destroyed totally at Ibrox and that wouldn't do them any good. Imagine two sets of players feeling inadequate, it's bad enough having one set feeling that way.
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08-11-2010 03:11 PM #16This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Still we need someone at the helm who can help them to move into the first team: they need someone who explains exactly what is to be done on the park - someone who can organise the team and set it up tactically: do we have that? How debilitating would it be for young guys to be blamed for things going wrong at ER?
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08-11-2010 03:16 PM #17
We will at best be bottom six this season so why not blood some of the young players? If they fail then they will not have been good enough anyway and quite frankly can they really be any worse than the underachieving players who play week in week out at the moment? Sink or swim time come January for a lot of our so called better young players imho.
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08-11-2010 04:51 PM #18This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I'd empty the wasters now - offer them half their wages to go, with a little encouragement in telling them they'll be playing training with the reserves till their contract runs out.
In January, get in seasoned pros.
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08-11-2010 05:33 PM #20
I think it would be suicidal to cram the team with young players right now. With all due respect, I think the mountain in front of us is too much to put on their shoulders. Calderwoods's aim at this stage should be to keep us from becoming isolated at the bottom of the league, as there is no way we can even begin to climb to safety with the nightmare of a squad he has to work with. He must take a really careful look at the rubbish he is going to bin in January and our success or lack of it in dragging us out of danger, will depend on the quality of 'cheap' players he can beg steal or borrow, aided by a sensible introduction of the best of our youngsters.
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09-11-2010 11:31 AM #23
Yes I think they should be pitched come January along with a few signings of experienced or at least hungry players. Not much CC can do at the minute other than get those in the squad drilled. He has to find a way to sort out the midfield. We need a ball winner and some drive. To me that seems like IM.
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09-11-2010 11:43 AM #24
Realistically the players that were ready for first team football from the double winning under 19 side have already been introduced, those being Hanlon & Wotherspoon.
I would like to see what Currie and Welsh have to offer in centre mid but Welsh has been inured and for me is easily the better of the two. Although saying that I would pick Currie over Rankin every time.
Booth can't be far away from being ready and is playing first team football right now, I wonder if Yogi brought in Grounds to cover us at LB until he assessed how Booth did while on loan.
Kurtis Byrne did have a good goal scoring record at under 19 level but it is a massive step to the first team from there so again his loan period was the right thing to do as a place on the bench and occasional run out was all he was likely to get here. Remember at the time he left on loan we had Stokes, Riordan & Nish with Duffy on the way so he would have been 5th choice.
I also agree with a few posters already, they may be buersting to get on the pitch but its generally not a good idea to introduce youngsters when the pressure is on as it is right now, certainly not all at the same time anyway.
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09-11-2010 12:02 PM #25
I wouldn't fill my team with youngsters but another couple being given a chance would not be a bad thing IMO.
Lee Currie has a sweet left peg and can play a bit, I wouldn't regard him as a gamble in the slightest as again IMO is better than either Rankin or Stevenson. He carries a goal threat that neither Rankin or Stevenson will ever have.
FWIW I wouldn't argue with Callum Booth out on loan, come January he will be back with Grounds returning to Boro I would imagine. Then we will see hopefully just how good he is.
Kurtis Byrne would go into the squad in January as well but I'm not expecting too much from him. I hope I'm wrong.
Sean Welsh would be a regular in the team by now if it were not for injury.
If Kevin McCann avoids injury between now and January I would have him back as well.
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09-11-2010 12:57 PM #26
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As you said, Welsh is superb.......him and Miller in the same midfield area could be the way forward. Sean is quite dogged and can fairly put his foot in when required.
I still think Kurtis has something to offer. Once he reigns in a bit, he could be a real player.
Only player I would have reservations about is Kevin McCann.
Otherwise for me you are spot on.
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09-11-2010 01:02 PM #27This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I don't get this - leave the laddies where they are, they're not exactly pulling up trees, they need first team football etc. We need new faces, players with a bit of attitude, or nothing to fear. They can't do any worse FFS
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09-11-2010 01:25 PM #28
I agree with many opinions posted, also I think putting youngsters into this team could totally ruin them as we are joint bottom and dont have the luxury of taking risks on unknowns. I do also see the flip side that they couldnt do any worse than that shower of ***** mascarading as our first team at the moment. I am a tad surprised we dont have any young strikers in the squad given our current lack of frontmen, I guess what we currently have availible may not be good enough or anywhere near ready.
To be honest I think its more of a case of CC having a look at most of his first team players to see what he thinks of them over the last 3 games, think its clear early on that he doesnt fancy a number of them and I aint surprised.
Does anyone else think Hanlon and Wotherspoons form may be a result of playing too many games, for me they have both been very poor this season but may be gettin more slack due to their age etc which is fair enough. I though last season more so with Spoony that Hughes played him too often as he didnt seem to fulfill the potential he showed when he first burst onto the sceen.
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09-11-2010 01:26 PM #29
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Hibs should get Ewen Moyes back ASAP.. He for one won't bottle it when it comes to putting a tackle in...
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09-11-2010 06:23 PM #30
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Ask and yee shall receive!
I think I have kind of said my piece on this front, and will take from the above that you are getting bored of it!
"is it time to play the young guys" - IMO, simply answer - NO.
Why we would think any of these guys are better than the current team is quite beyond me. They are as it says on the tin, kids- they would get bossed and beaten about like there is no tomorrow, bullied and battered.
I would think the kids playing the first team would do well not to get beaten by double figures.
I am glad to see they are doing well in the divisions and teams they are playing in, but it means nothing other than experience for them, something I am glad to see them get.
But as for dropping them in, or bleeding, then I would suggest the owners of St Mirren would be the happiest men on earth with such a management decision by Hibs.
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